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Colts WR Collie has concussion after hit to head

There are 31 comments on the Public Opinion story from Nov 7, 2010, titled Colts WR Collie has concussion after hit to head. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Austin Collie has suffered a concussion on a second-quarter hit to his head by Philadelphia Eagles safety Kurt Coleman.

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Mike

Westland, MI

#1 Nov 7, 2010
Perfectly good hit!

Since: Feb 08

Harrisburg, PA

#2 Nov 7, 2010
Mike wrote:
Perfectly good hit!
Exactly. A classic case how something that seems so well intended can go so wrong if not carefully planned and thought out.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#3 Nov 7, 2010
Jopa-n wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. A classic case how something that seems so well intended can go so wrong if not carefully planned and thought out.
The the result of the hit that Collie suffered is the reason the point of emphasis was placed on enforcing the rule which prohibits leading with your head when tackling.

How badly does someone have to get hurt before people stop defending the maiming of football players?
LIL JOHN

Landisburg, PA

#5 Nov 7, 2010
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
The the result of the hit that Collie suffered is the reason the point of emphasis was placed on enforcing the rule which prohibits leading with your head when tackling.
How badly does someone have to get hurt before people stop defending the maiming of football players?
Sounds like you didn't see the play, did you?~

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/gallery/enlarg...

Watch the replay enough and it becomes clear to me: Quintin Mikell put a shoulder into Collie, which pin-balled him sideways into a helmet-to-helmet hit from Kurt Coleman that seemed simply unavoidable. But Mikell was called for unnecessary roughness on a defenseless receiver.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/3...

Since: Feb 08

Harrisburg, PA

#6 Nov 8, 2010
TMD wrote:
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The the result of the hit that Collie suffered is the reason the point of emphasis was placed on enforcing the rule which prohibits leading with your head when tackling.
How badly does someone have to get hurt before people stop defending the maiming of football players?
I don't see how you can put the Collie play in with football players intending to 'maim' others. Heck, the league office watched a video of a player trying to maim- and I do mean maim in this case- a person in a strip club and saw no reason to punish him.
It certainly looked like the trauma to Collie's head was his head hitting the ground and not the grazing of the helmets, caused by the Collie ducking into the contact.
Sounds to me like more players need to get the new helmet Desean Jackson has to hinder contact trauma. Maybe instead of altering the outcome of games, they should make the Jackson helmet mandatory.
LOL

Bradenton, FL

#7 Nov 8, 2010
If your head is on the field........
from time to time you will be hit on the head.......

“Ave Satanas”

Since: Dec 06

Bratislava, Slovakia

#8 Nov 8, 2010
If that guy that hit him gets fined I'll stop watching NFL!
Eagles Fan

El Paso, TX

#9 Nov 8, 2010
is it me or did someone else notice that receivers seemed to be acting a bit more this weekend when getting hit? as for collie, i bet it wasnt the hit that gave him the concussion, look at the replay. He hits his head hard on the ground...could it be that caused the concussion?

Since: Feb 08

Harrisburg, PA

#10 Nov 8, 2010
Eagles Fan wrote:
is it me or did someone else notice that receivers seemed to be acting a bit more this weekend when getting hit? as for collie, i bet it wasnt the hit that gave him the concussion, look at the replay. He hits his head hard on the ground...could it be that caused the concussion?
It certainly looked like his head hit the ground much harder than the contact made with the helmets. We've already seen players fall and hit their head on the ground before- and have to be taken off on a stretcher. Wonder if the new helmet shown on the CBS pregame that's worn by Jackson could solve alot of contact injuries.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#11 Nov 8, 2010
Jopa-n wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see how you can put the Collie play in with football players intending to 'maim' others. Heck, the league office watched a video of a player trying to maim- and I do mean maim in this case- a person in a strip club and saw no reason to punish him.
I guess that depends on your definition of "maim":

1. to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple: The explosion maimed him for life.
2. to impair; make essentially defective: The essay was maimed by deletion of important paragraphs.
–noun Obsolete .
3. a physical injury, esp. a loss of a limb.
4. an injury or defect; blemish; lack.

When a player remains unmoving on the field for ten minutes and suffers a major concussion, to me, that falls in the category of "maiming".

At what point did every tackle during a game turn into an opportunity to knock someone's head off, and permanently injure them?

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It certainly looked like the trauma to Collie's head was his head hitting the ground and not the grazing of the helmets, caused by the Collie ducking into the contact.
You need to watch the replay again. The helmet-to-helmet hit by Coleman wasn't a "graze". He knocked him out. Collie was unconscious before he ever hit the ground. Why do you think Collie's head hit the ground so hard?

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Sounds to me like more players need to get the new helmet Desean Jackson has to hinder contact trauma. Maybe instead of altering the outcome of games, they should make the Jackson helmet mandatory.
I don't have a problem with the development and use of better equipment, but that's not the issue here. What's it going to take before everybody gets onboard with making the game safer. What the heck, let's just make chop blocks, crack-back blocks, and clothesline tackles legal again. Afterall, we wouldn't want to alter the outcome of a game, would we?
LIL JOHN

Landisburg, PA

#12 Nov 9, 2010
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess that depends on your definition of "maim":
1. to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple: The explosion maimed him for life.
2. to impair; make essentially defective: The essay was maimed by deletion of important paragraphs.
–noun Obsolete .
3. a physical injury, esp. a loss of a limb.
4. an injury or defect; blemish; lack.
When a player remains unmoving on the field for ten minutes and suffers a major concussion, to me, that falls in the category of "maiming".
At what point did every tackle during a game turn into an opportunity to knock someone's head off, and permanently injure them?
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<quoted text>
You need to watch the replay again. The helmet-to-helmet hit by Coleman wasn't a "graze". He knocked him out. Collie was unconscious before he ever hit the ground. Why do you think Collie's head hit the ground so hard?
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<quoted text>
I don't have a problem with the development and use of better equipment, but that's not the issue here. What's it going to take before everybody gets onboard with making the game safer. What the heck, let's just make chop blocks, crack-back blocks, and clothesline tackles legal again. Afterall, we wouldn't want to alter the outcome of a game, would we?
The ''issue'' is resolved by the NFL -- no fine -- was not intentional!

Football is a contact sport -- sometimes contact actually happens~

The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell's legal hit, there will be no fine.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/footbal...

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#13 Nov 9, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
<quoted text>
The ''issue'' is resolved by the NFL -- no fine -- was not intentional!
With all due respect, whether there was a fine or not is not the issue.

There were players on the field who were angry because Mikell was called for unnecessary roughness. Well, one of two things had to happen. Under the new emphasis, either Mikell gets called for a unnecessary roughness penalty, or Coleman gets a penalty/fine for a helmet-to-helmet hit. Either way, all the acromony, teeth-gnashing, and hand-wringing starts because Goodell's rule is trying to "change the game".

Just for the record, I'm not sure Goodell's intentions are as altruistic as he makes them sound, but I agree with the steps he is taking. He doesn't want to see another Daryl Stingley incident for many reasons, not the least of which are the congressional hearings and lawsuits which just lead to more and more bad publicity, and less autonomy for the NFL. If someone doesn't do SOMETHING a player is going to die on the field because of one of these hits.

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Football is a contact sport -- sometimes contact actually happens~
The NFL said because the helmet-to-helmet contact was a result of Collie being driven toward Coleman by Mikell's legal hit, there will be no fine.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/footbal...
Football is a contact sport, but there are rules in place to protect the players. Not all contact is legal, and for good reason. Players can get permanently injured by many of the hits that have been prohibited. That's why you can no longer clothesline or horse-collar a player. Going after a player's knees in certain situations is prohibited.

I realize the new rule emphasis is unpopular with the players because they will be forced to play the game in a different manner than they have their entire lives. They will have to relearn tackling techniques, and can no longer lead with their helmets. I played football; I know that's not an easy change to make, but it can be done.

Football players have gotten too big, strong, and fast to allow them to continue head-butting each other. These changes are necessary and long overdue, and will extend the careers and lives of players during and after their playing days are over.
LIL JOHN

Landisburg, PA

#14 Nov 9, 2010
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect, whether there was a fine or not is not the issue.
There were players on the field who were angry because Mikell was called for unnecessary roughness. Well, one of two things had to happen. Under the new emphasis, either Mikell gets called for a unnecessary roughness penalty, or Coleman gets a penalty/fine for a helmet-to-helmet hit. Either way, all the acromony, teeth-gnashing, and hand-wringing starts because Goodell's rule is trying to "change the game".
Just for the record, I'm not sure Goodell's intentions are as altruistic as he makes them sound, but I agree with the steps he is taking. He doesn't want to see another Daryl Stingley incident for many reasons, not the least of which are the congressional hearings and lawsuits which just lead to more and more bad publicity, and less autonomy for the NFL. If someone doesn't do SOMETHING a player is going to die on the field because of one of these hits.
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<quoted text>
Football is a contact sport, but there are rules in place to protect the players. Not all contact is legal, and for good reason. Players can get permanently injured by many of the hits that have been prohibited. That's why you can no longer clothesline or horse-collar a player. Going after a player's knees in certain situations is prohibited.
I realize the new rule emphasis is unpopular with the players because they will be forced to play the game in a different manner than they have their entire lives. They will have to relearn tackling techniques, and can no longer lead with their helmets. I played football; I know that's not an easy change to make, but it can be done.
Football players have gotten too big, strong, and fast to allow them to continue head-butting each other. These changes are necessary and long overdue, and will extend the careers and lives of players during and after their playing days are over.
Nla Bla Bla --Fortunately the NFL is in charge , not you!

Stick to your badminton

It's too bad you didn't take time to read the NFL opinion! You would not be so embarrassed !!!
George

Washington, DC

#15 Nov 10, 2010
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess that depends on your definition of "maim":
1. to deprive of the use of some part of the body by wounding or the like; cripple: The explosion maimed him for life.
2. to impair; make essentially defective: The essay was maimed by deletion of important paragraphs.
–noun Obsolete .
3. a physical injury, esp. a loss of a limb.
4. an injury or defect; blemish; lack.
When a player remains unmoving on the field for ten minutes and suffers a major concussion, to me, that falls in the category of "maiming".
At what point did every tackle during a game turn into an opportunity to knock someone's head off, and permanently injure them?
.
<quoted text>
You need to watch the replay again. The helmet-to-helmet hit by Coleman wasn't a "graze". He knocked him out. Collie was unconscious before he ever hit the ground. Why do you think Collie's head hit the ground so hard?
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<quoted text>
I don't have a problem with the development and use of better equipment, but that's not the issue here. What's it going to take before everybody gets onboard with making the game safer. What the heck, let's just make chop blocks, crack-back blocks, and clothesline tackles legal again. Afterall, we wouldn't want to alter the outcome of a game, would we?
I guess you only ever played flag football and never played real football.
Fly Eagles Fly

Belleville, PA

#16 Nov 10, 2010
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
The the result of the hit that Collie suffered is the reason the point of emphasis was placed on enforcing the rule which prohibits leading with your head when tackling.
How badly does someone have to get hurt before people stop defending the maiming of football players?
If you saw the hit you would know it was a good hit. In case people forget, this is the NFL. If you are paid millions a year in football (a contact sport mind you) you better be tough enough to take a hit. The girls that play in their bras and panties take harder hits then the NFL wants to allow for god sakes!

In refrence to another poster, no there is no fine because this was a legal hit and after all it was determined Collie was NOT a defensless receiver.
Not Dan the Man

Belleville, PA

#17 Nov 10, 2010
LIL JOHN wrote:
<quoted text>
Nla Bla Bla --Fortunately the NFL is in charge , not you!
Stick to your badminton
It's too bad you didn't take time to read the NFL opinion! You would not be so embarrassed !!!
Lil John, please go back to your world of politics and stay out of the NFL. Your posts show that you clearly have substained some brain damage from being dropped on your head as a child.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#19 Nov 10, 2010
George wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you only ever played flag football and never played real football.
I'm sure I've played just as much football as you have. I've seen (and suffered) my fair share of injuries. That doesn't mean the game can't be made safer so players like Aikman, Stingley, and, yes, Collie, can enjoy a long and prosperous career.
MOMMA SEZ

Akron, OH

#20 Nov 10, 2010
How many boxers have died from blows to the head? Last I checked boxing still wasn't outlawed! What's sad is seeing Ali now if you remember him as fresh fast talking Cassius Clay. He can barely string two words together and in his youth he was reknown for his off the cuff poetry.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#21 Nov 10, 2010
Fly Eagles Fly wrote:
<quoted text>If you saw the hit you would know it was a good hit. In case people forget, this is the NFL. If you are paid millions a year in football (a contact sport mind you) you better be tough enough to take a hit. The girls that play in their bras and panties take harder hits then the NFL wants to allow for god sakes!
Why would I be commenting about the hit if I hadn't seen it? I watched the game. I watch ALL of the Steelers and Colts games.

As far as the money goes, none of the players in the NFL signed anything on the dotted line saying they agreed to be permanently crippled for x millions. Nobody WANTS to get hurt. And just remember, baseball and basketball players get paid much more than football players, and don't suffer near the number, or seriousness, of injuries that football players do.

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In reference to another poster, no there is no fine because this was a legal hit and after all it was determined Collie was NOT a defensless receiver.
You're wrong. If it was a legal hit, then Coleman would not have been penalized for unnecessary roughness for hitting a defenseless receiver. The NFL concluded it was not INTENTIONAL, therefore no fine was levied.

Since: Feb 08

Harrisburg, PA

#22 Nov 10, 2010
MOMMA SEZ wrote:
How many boxers have died from blows to the head? Last I checked boxing still wasn't outlawed! What's sad is seeing Ali now if you remember him as fresh fast talking Cassius Clay. He can barely string two words together and in his youth he was reknown for his off the cuff poetry.
That is the sad side to this. life at anytime for anyone and their family can be very cruel. Difference being living like a king for so many years in the case of Ali, being a sports icon, and being a world wide known celebrity sure is sweet I'll bet.
I don't think any of them like him in prominance and notoriety, would accept being an everyday Joe, Jim, or Bob who merely lives out there time on this earth (no matter how long), than give up the skyrocket to stardom and all its glory. For many of us and our families, we don't get chance to experience the glory, wealth, power, notoriety, stardom and freedom, but we do end up at some time living a painful ending to our lives at some point.

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