GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist

GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist

There are 294 comments on the story from Feb 20, 2011, titled GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist. In it, reports that:

Republicans on Sunday upped the pressure on Democrats who fled to Illinois to return home and vote on an anti-union bill, with the governor calling them obstructionists and a GOP lawmaker threatening to convene without them.

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“Oh Sheeeit...They Elected Who?”

Since: Oct 08

Socialist Republic of America

#293 Feb 22, 2011
orreljw wrote:
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the other point you keep failing to mention is that those "benefits" the teachers get, like health care, are all figured into their salaries. Private sector teachers also get health care coverage and make HIGHER salaries than the public school teachers. There is NO finacial crisis in WI other than the one created by Walker by lowering taxes on those who don't pay much anyway (yet are the only ones who can afford it) and paying for those tax cuts by taking the money directly out of the pockets of the middle class public employees. He created this mess in the 6 short weeks he has been in office, very mush so gauranteeing that he will only have 46 weeks left before the first recall suit is filed. Mr Walker, meet Gray Davis.
Why should the public employees be allowed to bargain collectively...FDR (he fathered the modern day union) was against collective bargaining by public employees...its just not a good situation.

And...please speak facts, and not hearsay...Walker has not cut the corporate income tax rate...he pledge to cut the personal and corporate tax rate, but it hasn't happened. Read the whole story and stop embellishing to push your agenda...

[QUOTE who="By ASSOCIATED PRESS Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 2:34 p.m."]<quoted text>
Walker promises to lower income taxes

MADISON, Wis.— Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he wants to lower personal and corporate income taxes in his first term, but it won’t happen in his first two-year budget.
Walker must balance a $3 billion shortfall in that budget he likely will release in February.
Walker said Wednesday that unlike Illinois, which is raising taxes, he is committed to lowering taxes over the next four years. He’s already proposed eliminating taxes for two years on businesses that come to the state.

Another Walker proposal would cut taxes for businesses with less than $500,000 in gross receipts.
Walker says he is open to changing that to a $2,500 tax credit for every new job created by any business as the co-chair of the Legislature’s budget committee wants.

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There is a future for liberals...albeit writing fiction or fairy tales...

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#294 Feb 22, 2011
South Metro Gal wrote:
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You are stupid because you do not know that PrezBO is Wall Street's best friend.

Saint Paul, MN

#295 Feb 22, 2011
So, why don't these "fiscal conservatives" cut their own pay and benefits first? You know. lead by example? Duh! I'm tempted to bet that there's some pork in this bill for some folks calling themselves "responsible".

“Celebrate Liberty and Freedom”

Since: Sep 09


#296 Feb 22, 2011
jake wrote:
So, why don't these "fiscal conservatives" cut their own pay and benefits first? You know. lead by example? Duh! I'm tempted to bet that there's some pork in this bill for some folks calling themselves "responsible".
because this is a public sector problem of unions milking taxpayers of all income levels. No one cares if unions milk the rich man in the private sector but unions in public sector milk us all. Grow up
PB in St Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#297 Feb 22, 2011
Pim wrote:
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And yet the Supreme Court protects the free speech of corporations, allowing them to dump $ into campaigns. No matter your opinion on unions, they benefit YOU far more than those corporate donors--those same corporate donors that funded Scott Walker's campaign are getting what they paid for by quashing workers' voices.
I agree with you on that, too. Pretty much the whole system is broken and corrupt. I was only addressing the ppublic employee unions, as that was the topic here. And as for my union benefitting me, it doesn't and hasn't in 30 years. Prior to that, being a union member was optional for state employees. Those that felt they needed one paid and chose to join, many didn't. And I believe the democrats were in control of the state when they decided that all state employees would be members of specified unions, like it or not, and the dues came directly from your paycheck, just like another tax. A tax that ended up about 90% in the campaign coffers of democrats.
I guess my main point is, don't go making public employees scapegoats in all of this. I'll bet you a nickel a majority of them are not out their protesting, and would just as soon see their "dues" go to something useful, such as contributing more to their health care or pensions.
I'm not blanket anti-union. But in my experience, most public employee unions are not much about helping the average worker. First and foremost, they're about protecting the little castles the union leaders live in and preserving their sense of power.

Saint Paul, MN

#298 Feb 22, 2011
We all need to watch the documentary, "Waiting for Superman."

Tampa, FL

#299 Feb 23, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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You are stupid because you do not know that PrezBO is Wall Street's best friend.
Your absolutely right. Goldman Sachs, the largest of the investment banks, was Obama's largest campaign fund contributor in the last election. Immelt, GE's chairman is on his staff. Most Dem's are to dumb to figure this out. Our Pres is in bed with big business, big time. Also Google is one of the biggest businesses in the world today. They " Gave " Al Gore hundreds of thousands of shares, making him a Hugh Millionaire, just for his influences

Minneapolis, MN

#300 Feb 23, 2011
Aren't public employees taxpayers too?
Just Sayin

Princeton, MN

#301 Feb 24, 2011
Its about time someone is trying to close the blank checkbook that has been going on for too many years! There are no funds available to sustain this black hole they have created.

Tampa, FL

#302 Feb 25, 2011
Ell wrote:
Aren't public employees taxpayers too?
Yes they are, but they "Take" a heck of a lot more than they get!, when it comes to dollars

Since: Feb 11

Sibley, MO

#303 Feb 26, 2011
Ell wrote:
Aren't public employees taxpayers too?
Yeah, but they get more tax money than they give. It is therefore a net loss.

Minneapolis, MN

#304 Feb 26, 2011
NUTSTOU wrote:
<quoted text> Yes they are, but they "Take" a heck of a lot more than they get!, when it comes to dollars
Stp making sense!
PB in St Paul

Saint Paul, MN

#305 Feb 28, 2011
Think of a public agency as an auto repair shop. You've got 10 employees that do all the repair work, are good at their job and know what they're doing. And you've got 10 more employees that manage those 10, or manage the managers of those 10. That is the basic model of most public agencies.

The 10 repair guys belong to a union, which hits them up for union dues to support the union leaders. If one of the guys decides "screw this, I'll get paid the same whether I do 20 oil changes a day or 2" and starts slacking off, that's when the union gets involved, doing their best to prevent this guy from being canned, as they don't want to lose his union dues.

The 10 management guys belong to another union or two. They do some managing, but mostly the repair guys are good and don't need a lot of managing. So they spend a lot of their time trying to figure out how to deal with the guy who's slacking off (and his union). They have a lot of meetings. They are also constantly trying to figure ways to pull in more money, and mostly just raise their rates, to be able to pay 20 employees and justify their own jobs, and pay attorney fees when they get into a hassle with the union of the guy who's slacking off.

Now, how would a logical person fix this business so that it's not losing money, but can do a good job in the auto repair business?

United States

#306 Mar 4, 2011
Government employees are recyclers of taxpayers money. Their income is not derived from an industry which contributes to the the gross National Product, only the gross domestic product.
Ell wrote:
Aren't public employees taxpayers too?

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