GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist

GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist

There are 294 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 20, 2011, titled GOP makes threats as Dems, unions resist. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Republicans on Sunday upped the pressure on Democrats who fled to Illinois to return home and vote on an anti-union bill, with the governor calling them obstructionists and a GOP lawmaker threatening to convene without them.

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e-boogers

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Feb 20, 2011
The right wing happily finds itself and its brand of politics in the ascendant. Good for them. I do hope they enjoy the twinkling light of their dying star. To be sure, they will take solace in their recent victories and claim they represent the wave of the future, but history has already left them in the past and they are living in a museum. Democracy and the changing demographics of the U.S. will bring electoral parity amongst the races in America and the politics of reactionary caucasians will hold little appeal to the new emerging coalitions of the heretofore disenfranchised and politically marginalized communities. The frenzied efforts of the newly elected Republican majorities to codify their cruel and callous legislative agendas is simply a last-ditch drive to throw up some sort of ramshackle rampart against the coming onslaught.

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pffffft

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Feb 20, 2011
The GOP would have a pretty good idea of what obstructionist is as it is their number one tactic. Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?
melody

Plymouth, MN

#3 Feb 20, 2011
Mister Walker and the rest of his Republican cronies should all agree to wage cuts, the inability to complain about working conditions should they be substandard,loss of health benefits for family members, and be forced to go home and go hungry for the 3 days before his next paycheck because as usual there is more month than money.
Republican arrogance knows no bounds.

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Collective Bargaining

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 20, 2011
If we lose collective bargaining rights, there will be nobody left to prevent outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries. Unions try to keep jobs local and serve as a check on big business. Since many large corporations are international, the boards of these companies do not care if work gets outsourced as long as they appease the shareholders... who may or may not be Americans.

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Roy, WA

#5 Feb 21, 2011
What the GOP in WI should do while they wait for the fugitive Dems to come back and vote on these fiscal issues is to pass and enact a whole bunch of stuff where Democrat votes aren't required.
They could start with something like a Constitutional amendment to refuse all State recognition of civil unions, domestic partnerships, and homosexual "marriage".
All kinds of good old fashioned social conservative stuff like that.

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Roy, WA

#6 Feb 21, 2011
Collective Bargaining wrote:
If we lose collective bargaining rights, there will be nobody left to prevent outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries. Unions try to keep jobs local and serve as a check on big business. Since many large corporations are international, the boards of these companies do not care if work gets outsourced as long as they appease the shareholders... who may or may not be Americans.
The legislation in WI has nothing to do with private-sector unions, just the corrupt government-unions that own the Democrat party and source labor to the State.
There's a reason less than 7% of the private sector is union, neither companies nor labor wants anything to do with them.
questions questions

Roy, WA

#7 Feb 21, 2011
e-boogers wrote:
The right wing happily finds itself and its brand of politics in the ascendant. Good for them. I do hope they enjoy the twinkling light of their dying star. To be sure, they will take solace in their recent victories and claim they represent the wave of the future, but history has already left them in the past and they are living in a museum. Democracy and the changing demographics of the U.S. will bring electoral parity amongst the races in America and the politics of reactionary caucasians will hold little appeal to the new emerging coalitions of the heretofore disenfranchised and politically marginalized communities. The frenzied efforts of the newly elected Republican majorities to codify their cruel and callous legislative agendas is simply a last-ditch drive to throw up some sort of ramshackle rampart against the coming onslaught.
So you feel that the path to electoral success for the Democrat party of the future is to whip up resentments, hostility, and hatred between the races?
Interesting.
I wonder what Dr. King would think of that strategy, what with his admonition to 'judge a man not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character'.
I think he would wonder about you and find quite an unsavory character.
aargh

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Feb 21, 2011
I just love the comments buy those who think that republicans are somehow limited in thought and in the end of a dying breed.. What a load. Thats and interesting assertion considering the majority of the country agrees more with conservative principles than liberal.

This is very simple. The election happened and these are the consequences. These democrats need ot man up and get back to town and do their duty. Just as the republicans did in Wahsington when the Democrats were doing anything and everything to pass obamacare (read lie cheat and steal). They stayed and did their duty and placed their vote. These democrats are an embarrassment and I hope they go down in history as the fools they are.

The strangle hold of the public unions needs to be broken. I do not want to pay for their daliances and excesses. Not while I am trying to raise my family and save for my own retirement (12% is just what comes out of my paycheck - not counting other contributions) Defined benefit plans are a thing of the past and are a golden benefit that is not in line with the private sector..
Ask the Auto workers

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 21, 2011
Just google what killed the Detroit Auto industry! As much as I hate to say this, if anyone is thinking towards the future and long term. How can unions afford to take/demand so much! You can only the bite the hand that feeds you so many times before the hand as comepletly gone
hehehehe

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Feb 21, 2011
questions questions wrote:
What the GOP in WI should do while they wait for the fugitive Dems to come back and vote on these fiscal issues is to pass and enact a whole bunch of stuff where Democrat votes aren't required.
They could start with something like a Constitutional amendment to refuse all State recognition of civil unions, domestic partnerships, and homosexual "marriage".
All kinds of good old fashioned social conservative stuff like that.
You really think the GOP wants the Democratic senators to come back and VOTE?? hehehehe That is too funny!! The GOP only needs one more senator in the room. They do not need a vote, they already have enough votes!!! They just need one more senate member in the frickin' room for this to be passed!!!!!!!!!!
Tooner

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Feb 21, 2011
So would someone tell me why Walker is letting the Police, State Troopers, and Firemen exempt from his plan. They are all unionized public employees with great benefits too! And why are the Press and others not asking this question?
Dave

Plymouth, MN

#12 Feb 21, 2011
Madison's highest paid city government employee last year wasn't the mayor. It wasn't the police chief. It wasn't even the head of Metro Transit.
It was bus driver John E. Nelson.
Nelson earned $159,258 in 2009, including $109,892 in overtime and other pay.
He and his colleague, driver Greg Tatman, who earned $125,598, were among the city's top 20 earners for 2009, city records show.
They're among the seven bus drivers who made more than $100,000 last year thanks to a union contract that lets the most senior drivers who have the highest base salaries get first crack at overtime.
And there was a lot of overtime -$1.94 million last year,$467,200 more than the bus system budgeted for and the most ever for the system - as employees exhausted sick leave and took advantage of unpaid leave through the federal Family Medical Leave Act, officials said.
"That's the (drivers') contract," said Transit and Parking Commission Chairman Gary Poulson. "(But) I think we want more information to the TPC and a discussion of all the facts."

Since: Apr 08

Wisconsin Rapids, WI

#13 Feb 21, 2011
They will come back, the money has been shut off. The unions need to brought back to the ground with reasonable benefits.

This is just the start around the country, the free ride is over for public employee unions. When the benefits they make along with the salaries go far above what the citizens of the state make, they are out of balance. They need to rebalanced.
mpls gal

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 21, 2011
questions questions wrote:
<quoted text>The legislation in WI has nothing to do with private-sector unions, just the corrupt government-unions that own the Democrat party and source labor to the State.
There's a reason less than 7% of the private sector is union, neither companies nor labor wants anything to do with them.
Ask yourself, Why is it big companies and large corporations want nothing to do with unions?? I know the answer, and I think you do too!
TrueGrit

Cumberland, WI

#15 Feb 21, 2011
Have courage and stay the course conservative Senators. When the freedom loving members of the Continental Congress were told they would be hung, they didn't compromise (or run and hide). You MN liberals need to look at your own state's budget problems, because in the end, higher taxes on workers, or bankruptcy, are your only options.
Winchester

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Feb 21, 2011
And for all you Wisconsin ill witted democrats that thought you voted the right people into office, you have to be somewhat disturbed to see how all your elected democratic law makers in Wisconsin all have magical powers, when ever they are faced with having to fight, challenge or debate anyone on behalf of all you lame brained democrats that voted them into office, they use their magic and like a chameleons taking on the color yellow better known as the color of cowards and crawl away and hide until they feel it's safe to come out from behind a rock when they are no longer required to be intelligent and part of the political process in Wisconsin.
whatever

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Feb 21, 2011
let the layoffs begin!!
exed

Dallas, TX

#18 Feb 21, 2011
The dems have "run out of other peoples' money." They've bled the Wisconsin taxpayers dry and there's nothing left to pay off all the commitments made to government employee unions. I suspect we're seeing the beginning of the death throes of the democrat way of governing. The party's lifeblood is gone.
gbsparks

United States

#19 Feb 21, 2011
Enough with the demonizing of public workers, already.

Without public employees you can't flush a toilet, turn on a faucet, drive your car, take a bus, eat at a restaurant that has been inspected for health violations, stop a bank robber, put out a fire, teach your children, heal you when you're sick, keep the felons in the prisons, keep elections fair and efficient, pick up your garbage, plow your streets... The list is endless. Cities, counties and states cannot operate without public workers, it's that simple. You can't get to work without them.

Get this straight: THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY!!!

The public employee unions in Wisconsin have shouted loud and clear that their members are more than willing to pay a significant share of their pension costs and health insurance. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but the Wisconsin Retirement System is 100% funded. No income tax dollars go into it and it will not drain general revenues.

Money is not the issue. Walker has made this clear with his adamant rejection of the unions' concessions. Rather, he wants to destroy collective bargaining entirely.

Just so people who aren't here understand some of what is happening in Madison, I've participated in every protest since Tuesday. During the weekdays it's during my lunch hour and after work. I work for a living, as do most of the people who participate in the protests. Nonetheless, we find ways to make our voices heard.

I spent all day Saturday on the square. For the first time, I couldn't get into the capitol; there were too many people already lined up trying to get in. I'm going back today, at noon.

I am not a union member but I believe passionately that people have a right to organize unions and bargain collectively over wages, benefits, safety and working conditions.

For you tea-partiers: What's your reaction when somebody introduces a bill limiting access to the various automatic weapons many of you seem to crave? Exactly. Well, that's how I feel about workers rights.

None of this is going away. The most that Scott Walker can achieve is a Pyrrhic victory. After that it's back to the sixties and I'm more than willing to retire and fight full-time for human rights.

For me, my adult life seems to be coming full-circle. Many years ago I fought against the war in Vietnam, which, like the Iraq war, was based on lies from our government, and now I find that I will, for the foreseeable future, fight a war against people trying to take away my rights.

So it goes.

For some perspective:
Part-time board work yielding big-time pay
The newspaper (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel 06/28/10) found that the average public company board member was paid $126,398 to serve on a single board of directors in Wisconsin last year, more than three times the average wage for a Wisconsin worker. Many serve on more than one board, and 20 serve on four or more public company boards.
reality

United States

#20 Feb 21, 2011
Wisconsin paying $57.00 for each $1.00 the teachers pay is way out of line. How about the press printing some of the facts. Promoting the liberal agenda is not reporting the news.

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