Jets' new 'D' leader will put pressur...

Jets' new 'D' leader will put pressure on Gholston

There are 12 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2009, titled Jets' new 'D' leader will put pressure on Gholston. In it, Newsday reports that:

Vernon Gholston, you're on notice. For the second straight day, a Jets coach discussed in blunt terms the team's top draft pick last year.

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psycholojets

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Jan 22, 2009
A first time head coach and a first time D-coordinator? I hope they learned their lessons well. Leadership is important but x's and o's matter too. Herm was a leader short on x's and o's and mangenius was the opposite. Let's hope foe a nice combination of both this time.
jethro

United States

#2 Jan 23, 2009
See through the hype! Somebody made a big mistake on this guy. Is he smart? Is he consistently doing the right thing on the field?
Obviously the college films show he didn't and he went in the first round. Very inept
on the Jets part! Screw the combine, ask other big ten coaches and watch film. i bet their are some OSU football nerds that could
have revealed his flaws.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#3 Jan 23, 2009
They had to give this stiff Gholston 20 million guaranteed and Tannenbaum gets a pass? He should have been out with Mangina.
Bob J

AOL

#4 Jan 23, 2009
Jes recent draft picks demonstrate two different philosophies in evaluating prospective draft picks.

One philosophy is represented by Ozzie Newsome (Ravens) who has a remarkeable record in turning propects into All-Pro's in the NFL. They rate instincts and college performance higher than athleticism. Ray Lewis (too small), Ed Reed (too slow) Terrell Suggs (too slow) all were rated lower than other picks at the same position in the year they were drafted with respect to athleticism, triangle numers, combine and Senior Bowl performances.

The second philosophy is repesented by Terry Bradway, who still is an important voice in first round selections, and whose first round picks represent his philosophy.

The Jets picks since Bradway arrived looks at athleticism, triangle numbers as more important than production or instincts believing that a superior athlete can be 'coached up'by NFL coaches.

This has not been very succesful see DeWayne Robertson, Brian Thomas, and last years bust Vernon Gholston among others.

Until the Jets get someone with actual credentials like Ozzie Newsome as GM, the trend is likely to continue with Tannenbaum relying on Terry Bradway for recommendations.
Keyboard Commando

Hauppauge, NY

#5 Jan 23, 2009
I've been waiting a while to hear this from a jets coach, so I'll stay optimistic for now;

"We've always been of the mind-set that you fit your system to your players and not your players to your system."
Jet Fan in SC

Bostic, NC

#6 Jan 23, 2009
Keyboard Commando wrote:
I've been waiting a while to hear this from a jets coach, so I'll stay optimistic for now;
"We've always been of the mind-set that you fit your system to your players and not your players to your system."
Unlike Mangidiot whose philosophy was "play how and where I tell you"
I can only hope the players buy into this way of thinking. I too wiil remain optimistic, For now
TnJetsFan

Johnson City, TN

#7 Jan 23, 2009
If Gholston has anything as an NFL player Rex and Pettine will get it out of him. If he doesn't they will just as quickly kick him to the curb. Another underachiever is NOT what the Jets need at this point. They already have enough of those.
J E T S jets jets jets

Miami, FL

#8 Jan 23, 2009
Jet Fan in SC wrote:
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Unlike Mangidiot whose philosophy was "play how and where I tell you"
I can only hope the players buy into this way of thinking. I too wiil remain optimistic, For now
the problem with Mangini was that when something wasn't working, he was too stubborn to change it. that Mangidiot.
Get Real

Rineyville, KY

#10 Jan 23, 2009
I agree, if anyone will get Gholston back on track and living up to his potential, it's these coaches. You can't give up on young talent like that, just because Mangina didn't know how to use him, or get the best out of him. It was his rookie year. Mario Williams was considered a bust his first year, but has turned it around. Give him time.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#11 Jan 23, 2009
I think that the key quote is: We've always been of the mind-set that you fit your system to your players and not your players to your system.". The Jets have had 3 coaches in 5 years and each bought their defensive coaching philosophy. Edwards played a 4-3 in which Vilma starred. Robertson did okay when he wasn't doubled. with the other Jet DT's like Kimo Van H he was AQLWAYS doubled. Then Mangini came in and depsite all the talk about being a defensive guru, he set his mond on a 3-4 and tried to force players like Vilma and Robertson into the system. IN one year Vilma went from the All-Pro to injured and off the tea m. Roberston did well in the 4-3 in Denver.

It will be nice to see a coach actually use the players in their best positions to succeed rather than start a new wave of trades to get players to meet the new system.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#12 Jan 23, 2009
Get Real wrote:
I agree, if anyone will get Gholston back on track and living up to his potential, it's these coaches. You can't give up on young talent like that, just because Mangina didn't know how to use him, or get the best out of him. It was his rookie year. Mario Williams was considered a bust his first year, but has turned it around. Give him time.
agreed. we have a tendency to label kids early and give up on them.... then wonder why our teams are always rebuilding
Iggy

Kernersville, NC

#13 Jan 23, 2009
No offense Jet fans, but this is what happens when you attempt to make an edge rush specialist (in the mold of a Dwight Freeney) play a LB position.

He is not a dumb player or an untalented player..just a player trying to learn a new position.

Deal with it or get rid of him. There are plenty of teams that could use him.

BTW...I dont recall Mario Williams having that great of an impact in his first year either. He played because the Texans were terrible and he played in his natural position. Look at him now...that could be VG in a year or two...

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