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There are 55,531 seats in the RCA Dome and few were occupied with 2 minutes to play Sunday afternoon. Read more
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mike

Newark, OH

#493 Nov 21, 2007
football-fan wrote:
<quoted text> Ill give you props unlike colts fans you can admit defeat and not make exscuses. respect steeler fans 1 colts fans 0
I have not made any excuses. The Colts have only lost two games. No one wants your respect or needs it. The majority of other teams football fans have no respect for the Patriots or their fans.
xellil

Indianapolis, IN

#494 Nov 21, 2007
MainePatsFan wrote:
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You're assuming that the NFL actually went to the RCA Dome and did an actual, you know, investigation. They didn't investigate on site after the Steelers complained in a prior season. They took CBS at face value and never sent an official to Indy to look into it. I've seen Indy fans SWEAR to the fact that the NFL investigated, but several newspaper accounts say different.
Oh no, I didn't say that. The NFL made a statement that the Colts were not piping in noise - that has to have been after some kind of investigation. I don't think they ever went to the RCA Dome, but they did make the declaration.

So my question still stands - if the NFL was lax by NOT going to to Dome and not doing a thorough investigation before declaring the Colts as non-scofflaws, why do we assume they did a thorough investigation of the Pats?

I don't think we can have it both ways - if the NFL did one investigation poorly, then they could have done the other one poorly also.
MainePatsFan

Rumford, ME

#495 Nov 21, 2007
xellil wrote:
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Oh no, I didn't say that. The NFL made a statement that the Colts were not piping in noise - that has to have been after some kind of investigation. I don't think they ever went to the RCA Dome, but they did make the declaration.
So my question still stands - if the NFL was lax by NOT going to to Dome and not doing a thorough investigation before declaring the Colts as non-scofflaws, why do we assume they did a thorough investigation of the Pats?
I don't think we can have it both ways - if the NFL did one investigation poorly, then they could have done the other one poorly also.
My point was that it is not the highest and best use of time for the NFL to drag any team through a long investigation where all kinds of naughty behavior sees the light of day. Most fans believe that the NFL is up there on the integrity scale with the Pope and Mother Theresa. Having spent 20 years or so reading biography after biography of the NFL greats I get the sense that no franchise is without sin. Did you notice that the Patriots rule violation investigation was closed before the next game was played? Did you also notice that CBS took the fall for the 'audio glitch' before lunch the same day it was brought up to avoid the need to actually send anyone from the league office in NYC to Indy to look into it? The NFL is a multi billion dollar enterprise. Would you expect the oil companies to investigate the awful global warming thing? Or how about the tobbacco companies and the whole cancer thing? Of course not. It's not a matter of quality of an an investigation it's doing one independantly or not at all. Is George Mitchell free?
xellil

Indianapolis, IN

#496 Nov 21, 2007
MainePatsFan wrote:
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My point was that it is not the highest and best use of time for the NFL to drag any team through a long investigation where all kinds of naughty behavior sees the light of day. Most fans believe that the NFL is up there on the integrity scale with the Pope and Mother Theresa. Having spent 20 years or so reading biography after biography of the NFL greats I get the sense that no franchise is without sin. Did you notice that the Patriots rule violation investigation was closed before the next game was played? Did you also notice that CBS took the fall for the 'audio glitch' before lunch the same day it was brought up to avoid the need to actually send anyone from the league office in NYC to Indy to look into it? The NFL is a multi billion dollar enterprise. Would you expect the oil companies to investigate the awful global warming thing? Or how about the tobbacco companies and the whole cancer thing? Of course not. It's not a matter of quality of an an investigation it's doing one independantly or not at all. Is George Mitchell free?
Actually I agree with everything you say.

I don't think either accusation was investigated thoroughly. It would be impossible to gather, deliver, and evaluate years worth of tapes within 3 days. Likewise, it would be impossible to look at noise issues within a few hours.

So, non-Colts fans will never be satisfied that there is no noise piped in, and non-Pats fans will always believe that there was more going on than one 5-minute video.

So we can just stand across the fence yelling "cheater" at each other into the foreseeable future.
MainePatsFan

Rumford, ME

#497 Nov 21, 2007
xellil wrote:
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Actually I agree with everything you say.
I don't think either accusation was investigated thoroughly. It would be impossible to gather, deliver, and evaluate years worth of tapes within 3 days. Likewise, it would be impossible to look at noise issues within a few hours.
So, non-Colts fans will never be satisfied that there is no noise piped in, and non-Pats fans will always believe that there was more going on than one 5-minute video.
So we can just stand across the fence yelling "cheater" at each other into the foreseeable future.
That might be where it has to stay. At least until an intrepid reporter finds a smoking gun, or the Colts win a couple more Super Bowls and Ron Meeks gets the Houston head coaching gig. The first game at the Dome he drops a dime on Dungy... We'll see, right? LOL
skidrow wilson

United States

#498 Nov 21, 2007
mike wrote:
<quoted text>"The majority of other teams football fans have no respect for the Patriots or their fans.
Nothing but the fantasy of 1 person here...
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination.
skidrow wilson

United States

#499 Nov 21, 2007
...it was good to get that win...we will definitely need to pick it up here next week....

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Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis, IN

#500 Nov 26, 2007
MainePatsFan wrote:
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So I have to point out that you have made the choice to stay ignorant of the actual facts of this so-called cheating. Make an effort to become informed, if not then STFU.
Informed??? You get proven wrong... AGAIN! And you hit me with a curse word. Good Show Man... Good Show. When faced with an actual arguement in which you cannot defend your stance. You claim someone doesn't have the facts and you throw out an insult. I LOVE YOU EDUCATED PATS FANS!

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