Michael Arace commentary: Don't judge Holmgren's plan for Brown...

Mike Holmgren, the new president of the Cleveland Browns, is shaking his constituency with action. Full Story
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Steve

Dublin, OH

#22 Mar 18, 2010
Rob Crouse wrote:
Gee, if they just hadn't hired Holmgren, everything would still be just great...
Get a clue: Holmgren has more knowledge and successful experience than anyone or anything that has been seen in the Browns camp in decades. I wish Quinn good luck; but maybe Holmgren wants somebody who has been a proven leader and can lead the team now, not if and when Quinn develops into a winning quarterback.
We have nothing to lose in trusting Holmgren, because we had nothing when he got here.
Holmgren was a lousy GM in Seattle and was stripped of those responsibilities shortly before the Seahakws decided to go in a different direction all together. In Green Bay, the front office was run by Ron Wolf, but for some reason Holmgren gets credit for everything from signing Reggie White to discovering Brett Favre.

I agree that the Browns were in a sad state of affairs when he got here, but he looks a lot more like the second coming of Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark than he does the next Bill Polian.
BS Detective

Dublin, OH

#23 Mar 18, 2010
Troy brownbacker wrote:
GREAT moves, finally Cleveland has a football man in charge. You can put both Quinn and Anderson together and still only have a decent BACKUP at best, period. Go BROWNS ! And oh by the way, I see 9 wins this year.
Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace combined equal a decent backup at best. Holmgren isn't a football man, he's a washed up head coach who gets more credit than he deserves.
Ken

Columbus, OH

#24 Mar 18, 2010
Lou wrote:
Josh McDaniels is very successful in his own right. Well I am of the opinion that we should all move on like adults and let the football season and teams take care of themselves.
I wish Brady Quinn, Anderson, the Browns, and the Broncos all success
and encourage all to work hard. The end result won't be known until
the end of 2010. Lets have fun and support our players and teams.
Afterall, they are all getting mucho dollars to perform. Correct?????
Lou, you are probably right, but that wouldn't be any fun. Take care
Rob Crouse

Columbus, OH

#25 Mar 18, 2010
Steve wrote:
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Holmgren was a lousy GM in Seattle and was stripped of those responsibilities shortly before the Seahakws decided to go in a different direction all together. In Green Bay, the front office was run by Ron Wolf, but for some reason Holmgren gets credit for everything from signing Reggie White to discovering Brett Favre.
I agree that the Browns were in a sad state of affairs when he got here, but he looks a lot more like the second coming of Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark than he does the next Bill Polian.
Obviously you like to talk like you are an authority, but there isn't any way that you could know all of the dynamics that were involved in Seattle.
In Green Bay, Holmgren's record speaks for itself.
The point is this: What good does it do to judge the guy in advance? Yours and other negative comments say a lot more about you than they do about Holmgren.
Steve

Dublin, OH

#26 Mar 18, 2010
Rob Crouse wrote:
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Obviously you like to talk like you are an authority, but there isn't any way that you could know all of the dynamics that were involved in Seattle.
In Green Bay, Holmgren's record speaks for itself.
The point is this: What good does it do to judge the guy in advance? Yours and other negative comments say a lot more about you than they do about Holmgren.
Seattle Super Bowl wins: 0. That's where Holmgren went to prove his mettles as the CEO of football operations and he failed.

If Holmgren was as good as people are saying he would still be there. What other dynamics do we need?

And what of Holmgren's record in Green Bay? He was a head coach, not a GM. That was Ron Wolf.

I have no choice but to give the guy a chance because the Browns hired him, but until he proves me wrong I'm not going to be optimistic.

Personally, I wish that Lerner would have built his front office around somebody from the Pittsburgh organization. I hate to say it, but no franchise in the NFL has demonstrated so much stability and attained so much success. I'd hire the guy who mows Dan Rooney's lawn over Holmgren in a heart beat.
Rob Crouse

Columbus, OH

#27 Mar 18, 2010
Steve wrote:
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Seattle Super Bowl wins: 0. That's where Holmgren went to prove his mettles as the CEO of football operations and he failed.
If Holmgren was as good as people are saying he would still be there. What other dynamics do we need?
And what of Holmgren's record in Green Bay? He was a head coach, not a GM. That was Ron Wolf.
I have no choice but to give the guy a chance because the Browns hired him, but until he proves me wrong I'm not going to be optimistic.
Personally, I wish that Lerner would have built his front office around somebody from the Pittsburgh organization. I hate to say it, but no franchise in the NFL has demonstrated so much stability and attained so much success. I'd hire the guy who mows Dan Rooney's lawn over Holmgren in a heart beat.
Well, you are just uninformed.
First of all, Holmgren was offered the job of Seahawk president (and $3 mil,) and he turned it down because he was still going to be serving within a system where he didn't have control over key decisions. The newspapers out there said they were sad to see him go. He was there 10 years - the first 5 as head coach and GM, but he had to answer to the CEO and the owner, so he gave up the GM part for his last 5 years - his decision.
You make it sound like, as head coach, he didn't have anything to do with the fact that he took the Packers to 2 Superbowls - what a joke. After all, look how good the Packers have been since then, especially their poor decision making.
Yeah, I figured you were a Pittsburgh fan. And look how good they are now. Some real leadership going on down there, now, ain't there...
Jim Brown said before Holmgren was hired, that Holmgren is one of the finest minds in football. Objective pundits on ESPN concur. You'd rather have Rooney's grass man than Holmgren? I think you are the one messing with the grass...
A true fan has a responsibility to support the team going forward. Negative commentators like you infect the environment; it degrades the potential. It's ok to be critical of things from the past; but to condemn a proven winner, and the team he is assembling, before they even get started, can only hurt their budding confidence. That is a true fans obligation: to be supportive, but you obviously don't understand the subtleties of football. You're just being a know-it-all.
Sluggh

Tucson, AZ

#28 Mar 18, 2010
The article ends in midsentence. WTF?
Kentucky Bob

Harrison, OH

#29 Mar 21, 2010
I trust Mike as well. But I also believe, Quinn will be a good QB someday... in the right offense, with a strong wide reciever group.

He showed field generalship and leadership with the Browns. His injury issues are a question... but I still believe his determination, will bring him to the top of the hill one day...
Bullfarts

United States

#30 Mar 22, 2010
Making the Browns look stupid we hope

“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

Since: Feb 10

Brecksville

#31 Mar 22, 2010
Rob Crouse wrote:
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Well, you are just uninformed.
First of all, Holmgren was offered the job of Seahawk president (and $3 mil,) and he turned it down because he was still going to be serving within a system where he didn't have control over key decisions. The newspapers out there said they were sad to see him go. He was there 10 years - the first 5 as head coach and GM, but he had to answer to the CEO and the owner, so he gave up the GM part for his last 5 years - his decision.
You make it sound like, as head coach, he didn't have anything to do with the fact that he took the Packers to 2 Superbowls - what a joke. After all, look how good the Packers have been since then, especially their poor decision making.
Yeah, I figured you were a Pittsburgh fan. And look how good they are now. Some real leadership going on down there, now, ain't there...
Jim Brown said before Holmgren was hired, that Holmgren is one of the finest minds in football. Objective pundits on ESPN concur. You'd rather have Rooney's grass man than Holmgren? I think you are the one messing with the grass...
A true fan has a responsibility to support the team going forward. Negative commentators like you infect the environment; it degrades the potential. It's ok to be critical of things from the past; but to condemn a proven winner, and the team he is assembling, before they even get started, can only hurt their budding confidence. That is a true fans obligation: to be supportive, but you obviously don't understand the subtleties of football. You're just being a know-it-all.
Well said.
Bullfarts

United States

#32 Mar 23, 2010
Rob Crouse wrote:
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After all, look how good the Packers have been since then, especially their poor decision making.
Like in Seattle

They choked a lot in the playoffs

Lost a Super Bowl

“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

Since: Feb 10

Brecksville

#33 Mar 24, 2010
Bullfarts wrote:
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Like in Seattle
They choked a lot in the playoffs
Lost a Super Bowl
How sad is that - I would be thrilled if the Browns got to lose in a Super Bowl. Lol.
Bullfarts

United States

#34 Mar 24, 2010
lol

So what is the word on James Davis

Ready to return in 2010?

“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

Since: Feb 10

Brecksville

#35 Mar 25, 2010
He was a difference maker last year. Bigtime. All those yards gained in the what, two games he played? Unstoppable.
Bullfarts

United States

#36 Mar 25, 2010
I thought he was decent in college until CJ Spiller took away some playing time

He may be a sleeper

Who knows

Who would have ever though James Harrison would finish the season the way he did last year

“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

Since: Feb 10

Brecksville

#37 Mar 26, 2010
He did well in college but we have a poor track record in making running backs look good. Hopefully that changes this year and he actually gets to run the ball.

Harrison was such a shock last year. No one can even try to say they saw it coming because everyone knows that's BS. Davis might get his chance though if Harrison asks for too much. Either way we have someone better than Lewis, who quit on the season around Preseason week 2.
Bullfarts

United States

#38 Mar 26, 2010
Lewis is waste at this point of his career

Is he trying to pull a Brett Farve I wonder?

Thought he was going to "retire" but there has been no official word and he still shows up on the F/A list

“We Have A Lot Of Work To Do”

Since: Feb 10

Brecksville

#39 Mar 30, 2010
I hope not. He's just terrible at this point in his career. I mean, at least Favre was better than the QBs the Vikings had besides him, but I can't think of a team out there where Lewis could be better than one let alone two current RBs.

He needs to be put out to pasture and sent to the old folks home. Besides, he showed everyone he's a locker room cancer this last year. I'd be shocked if he found work even holding a clipboard.
goBrowns56

Columbus, OH

#40 Apr 8, 2010
Steve wrote:
I worry about the Browns putting their chips in the pot and taking a run at Sam Bradford who looked tremendous behind an outstanding line two years ago, but wasn't healthy enough to show us anything behind a less experienced unit. He also put up his completion percentage against Big 12 defenses. They aren't known for their lockdown corners or their ball-hawking safeties.
What I'm saying is that Bradford is a paper tiger. He won't get the same looks in the NFL and he certainly won't have time to wait for people to get open. He'll have to be accurate under diress.
Agreed. Bradford may or may not be a paper tiger, but I'm worried about his paper shoulder. One good NFL hit and he could be out for a year - or just out, period. Who needs that?
Bullfarts

United States

#41 Apr 12, 2010
Dont fall for any of these overrated clowns like Bradford, Clausen, Teblow and Colt McInjury as a #1 pick

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