Peelle, Martin can't match Gates

Peelle, Martin can't match Gates

There are 18 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Nov 29, 2007, titled Peelle, Martin can't match Gates. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Coach Cam Cameron came to the Dolphins with the reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds when it came the utilization of tight ends.

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markeyh

Milwaukee, WI

#1 Nov 30, 2007
He can start of by catching the ball......
Phinless in Seattle

United States

#2 Nov 30, 2007
"How much I played was going to be dependent on how well I played," Peelle said. "I came off a fairly decent year. The stats weren't there last year, but I improved on all the blocking I've done."

Peelle, what are you talking about? Dude, you cost us the game on Monday with your two whiffed blocks resulting in Beck sacks on critical downs. If that's an improvement on all the blocking you've done, I'd hate to see your blocking before.
Zonk-39

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#3 Nov 30, 2007
Peele on MAX Protect whiffed on his 4th down and 11 Block and let Beck get hit and Fumble...
Joe

Woodbridge, VA

#4 Nov 30, 2007
These dolphins suck, no way around it. Not since Keith Jackson have we had any kind of marauder at the TE position. There are about 20 better TE's in the league. We should have drafted Greg Olsen, or somebody that would be able to play the position as it was meant to be placed. In some systems such as Green Bay more emphasis is on the receivers. Other systems, like Dallas, Jason Whitten plays a big role. We need a pro-bowler, atleast use that 2nd or 3rd rounder this year to get a good TE.
Mike 17-0

Cleveland, OH

#5 Nov 30, 2007
Gates is probably the best TE in the league. He has the athletic ability that allows him to do the things that separate him from virtually all others playing the position in the league. Luckily Peelle saved the author by pointing out this most obvious difference in abilities which translates into procuctivity. Zonk-39, good job pointing out the whiffed blocks in the Pit game. I agree that they definitely changed the direction of the game as the Dolphins had very good success running that scheme prior to that.

This is just another attempt by one of our sportswriters to compare the player's and/or team's numbers with another and failing to see the OBVIOUS! This whole article could have been condensed into a few sentences.
1. "Coach Cam Cameron came to the Dolphins with the reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds when it came the utilization of tight ends." (started out strong)
2. Miami's TEs are not as good as Antonio Gates.
3. That is why there is a difference in production.

The rest is just drivel!
PERSPECTIVE

Port Orange, FL

#6 Nov 30, 2007
The last time I saw innovation here was when Trent Green was quarterback.Coincidence? Perhaps. My guess is lack of confidence in the quarterback position. As for tight end position , they should block better , don't drop the ball when it is thrown to them.
Since there is no confidence in the quarterback position from management, the best thing any position player can do is their very best to make the quarterback shine. Then and only then , will we ever see innovation from the coaching staff. I could go a tad further and include wide receivers here as well. Probably asking too much though.
Huh

United States

#7 Nov 30, 2007
PERSPECTIVE wrote:
The last time I saw innovation here was when Trent Green was quarterback.Coincidence? Perhaps. My guess is lack of confidence in the quarterback position. As for tight end position , they should block better , don't drop the ball when it is thrown to them.
Since there is no confidence in the quarterback position from management, the best thing any position player can do is their very best to make the quarterback shine. Then and only then , will we ever see innovation from the coaching staff. I could go a tad further and include wide receivers here as well. Probably asking too much though.
Dont forget about Ronnie Brown. The offense has not been the same since he got hurt. I know Chatman did well in his role (rushing yard stats can be misleading) but not only is he not as good a runner but lacks Browns ability to catch passes and is not as good a blocker.
redhook pete

United States

#8 Nov 30, 2007
How many years do we have to listen
to this bs from the wide receivers and
tight ends; watch defensive ends rush around them for sacks;
and see key passes dropped? Ginn
and Booker; dump the rest and start
over. Send Ricky a get well card.
Wait 'til next year!!!
Ray

Salt Lake City, UT

#9 Nov 30, 2007
How can you say Martin in on pace to shed his oft injured history. The guy has been hurt all season. Everytime he makes a play he gets hurt. He has missed a lot of time this season. The Phins have got to use the draft to get a top tightend. I really like Martin Rucker out of Missouri. He reminds me of another Missouri tightend, Kellen Winslow.

“Left Coast Fin Fan”

Since: Dec 06

San Diego, Calif.

#10 Nov 30, 2007
Zonk-39 wrote:
Peele on MAX Protect whiffed on his 4th down and 11 Block and let Beck get hit and Fumble...
Absolutely, and Omar's sloppy reporting or timidness let him off the hook on this issue. I think that play might have worked had Peelle made his block.

I certainly cannot see any improvement in Peelle's blocking, and his pass catching is barely adequate for someone who is a six-year veteran.
Mr Merengue

Eustis, FL

#11 Nov 30, 2007
Need a free agent TE, cant wait on a rookie next year. Peelle and Martin are fill ins.

“Everything changes.”

Since: Nov 07

Hollywood, FL

#12 Nov 30, 2007
Ken in San Diego wrote:
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Absolutely, and Omar's sloppy reporting or timidness let him off the hook on this issue. I think that play might have worked had Peelle made his block.
I certainly cannot see any improvement in Peelle's blocking, and his pass catching is barely adequate for someone who is a six-year veteran.
Actually, I disagree about his pass catching...he's definitely tough to bring down after the catch. I've seen him run through a couple of defenders to get a couple more yards for a first down. I think his problem is blocking.
West-Sider

Detroit, MI

#13 Nov 30, 2007
Mike 17-0 wrote:
Gates is probably the best TE in the league. He has the athletic ability that allows him to do the things that separate him from virtually all others playing the position in the league. Luckily Peelle saved the author by pointing out this most obvious difference in abilities which translates into procuctivity. Zonk-39, good job pointing out the whiffed blocks in the Pit game. I agree that they definitely changed the direction of the game as the Dolphins had very good success running that scheme prior to that.
This is just another attempt by one of our sportswriters to compare the player's and/or team's numbers with another and failing to see the OBVIOUS! This whole article could have been condensed into a few sentences.
1. "Coach Cam Cameron came to the Dolphins with the reputation as one of the most innovative offensive minds when it came the utilization of tight ends." (started out strong)
2. Miami's TEs are not as good as Antonio Gates.
3. That is why there is a difference in production.
The rest is just drivel!
You Da man, Mike !!
You're all over it.
West-Sider

Detroit, MI

#14 Nov 30, 2007
Ray wrote:
How can you say Martin in on pace to shed his oft injured history. The guy has been hurt all season. Everytime he makes a play he gets hurt. He has missed a lot of time this season. The Phins have got to use the draft to get a top tightend. I really like Martin Rucker out of Missouri. He reminds me of another Missouri tightend, Kellen Winslow.
Good call on Rucker, Ray ... I love him too. But that said .... the TE position looks to be 'stronger than Buffalo breath' this year.

If you're watching the Frenso game ... check out the Jr TE for Fresno named 'Bear Pascoe'. I've seen him a couple of times earlier this year and I really like him. He's eligible to come out this year and likely will, I'd think. Also ND's TE Carlson is solid, and also Kellen Davis at Michigan St.

Davis' had some off the field issues in his time at MSU or he might be one of the top 3-4 rated guys. He may be anyway after the combines and work-outs, etc. If he interviews well. Tough guy.
pancanfinfan

San Jose, CA

#15 Nov 30, 2007
Aside from some blocking mistakes last week, I've felt that Peele has outperformed Martin easily on the field. Like to see Halterman do more as well but he's pretty young and raw. Fact is that cam needs a very atheletic tight end to work in his system to attain Gates like numbers which none of these players are close to measuring up too.
Doug

Calgary, Canada

#16 Dec 1, 2007
Peelle said. "I came off a fairly decent year.... I improved on all the blocking I've done....And a good example of this improvement is the completely blown assignment against Pittsburgh last week where I nearly landed our rookie QB in the hospital with a blindside disaster and fumble. Other examples include critical drive killing penalties and dropped balls. I think I'm on track to be in the Pro-Bowl next year."
Doug

Calgary, Canada

#17 Dec 1, 2007
PERSPECTIVE wrote:
The last time I saw innovation here was when Trent Green was quarterback.Coincidence? Perhaps. My guess is lack of confidence in the quarterback position. As for tight end position , they should block better , don't drop the ball when it is thrown to them.
Since there is no confidence in the quarterback position from management, the best thing any position player can do is their very best to make the quarterback shine. Then and only then , will we ever see innovation from the coaching staff. I could go a tad further and include wide receivers here as well. Probably asking too much though.
Please explain where you found innovation when Green was in? Innovation?
Doug

Calgary, Canada

#18 Dec 1, 2007
redhook pete wrote:
How many years do we have to listen
to this bs from the wide receivers and
tight ends; watch defensive ends rush around them for sacks;
and see key passes dropped? Ginn
and Booker; dump the rest and start
over. Send Ricky a get well card.
Wait 'til next year!!!
Ginn, yes; Booker? Maybe you are considering all the passes that Booker drops as not key. Ricky next year...yes.

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