Chicago Bears leave themselves with h...

Chicago Bears leave themselves with holes to fill

There are 98 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Apr 25, 2009, titled Chicago Bears leave themselves with holes to fill. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Of all the names and numbers filling up the Bears draft board Saturday at Halas Hall you wondered initially if they forgot to post one important piece of information in the war room.

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ldc

Champaign, IL

#1 Apr 25, 2009
Naysayers will suggest otherwise, but I think they made the right call.

The Bears personally interviewed M. M., so if they didn't think he was worth the risk, I support that decision.

The only losing M.M. was seen by many of you as a horrible thing was because you were told the Bears needed to pick him by the media.

No offense, Mr. Haugh, but I trust the judgement of scouts more than yours.

There are plenty of options available that graded equally to M.M.

Since: Aug 07

Evanston

#2 Apr 25, 2009
The Bears were going to take Mitchell? The guy that Kuyper had as a 5th round choice, the 5th best safety and the #1 and 3 safeties were still on the board?

Angelo generally has been productive in later rounds, and maybe Mitchell will prove to be very good, but the consensus was that Mitchell was a late 2nd day quality safety and it does not inspire confidence that the Bears thought that he was worth a mid 2nd round pick.
Fire somebody

United States

#3 Apr 25, 2009
I am very happy with what happend today. The players available at the 49th pick that the Bears need are not that much better than players available tomorrow. We can still get a quality WR and S and do it in one round. M.M. is not anything special and passing him up to get two picks makes perfect sense. This is the draft day Bears fans get in exchange for Cutler. Deal with it.
Denny Green

Tallahassee, FL

#4 Apr 25, 2009
By the time you get to number 49 you ought to be just taking your best guy. If you can't tell the difference between 49 and 68 you probably didn't do your research. If the draft is so bad or the team is so good that you can't find a player in the 2nd round, you should be trading for picks next year, not worse picks this year. He could have probably gotten a #3 in 2010 rather than a 4 now.
That said, if he is going to take some unknowns anyway he may as well get more picks. I suppose I would have rather he had traded the 3rd he used on Garret Wolfe for a 4th and a 5th.
Philtration

United States

#5 Apr 25, 2009
I accept that Cutler is the Bears # 1 pick and I am very happy with that but what is with this stupid trading down thing all the time with Angelo?
This is not a strong draft class with the exception at the WR position, which the Bears really need.
Get a WR with the 2nd rounder! Trade up and draft Robiski. Keep your pick and take Mohamed Massaquoi. If not a WR then go after DE Everette Brown. Draft a Safety. How about Philip Loadholt? Can’t he help with the O line?
There were quality players sitting there waiting.

Are you telling me that the Bears could not find a decent WR, DE or S in the 2nd round but they will be there in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds?
What is this man so afraid of?

They better get DE Michael Johnson and a decent WR like Juaquin Iglesias or Louis Murphy with these 3rd round picks. Trade up a few picks if you have too because stock piling 4th and 5th rounds picks means absolutely nothing.
Once you get past the 3rd round you are lucky to find a player that can even make it as a special teams player.
There are only so many spots on a NFL team and they are rarely taken by a 5th round draft pick.
To hell with this diamond in the rough nonsense.
Pick a diamond from the diamond pile for a change and stop going after a cheap prayer pick.
Stretch the other team’s defense and stop drafting players that are a stretch.
Denny Green

Tallahassee, FL

#6 Apr 25, 2009
One common misconception in the media is that the guru ranking matters. If you like a guy, and there is one of any 31 other teams that wants him, you have to take him. Also, you might not have a trading partner, but you don't pick again for 32 picks, so even if he is rated 10 picks later you will never get another chance. You have to pull the trigger when your pick comes up.
Frank the tank

Lake Zurich, IL

#7 Apr 25, 2009
Considering the bears make the most out of their second day picks, I'm not too worried, and Angelo did point out, we improved alot a few weeks ago. Other teams had to catch up at some point. The one thing he is counting on is the development of 2nd day draft studs, like BRIGGS for example, or VASHER. People who made impact right away in later draft rounds. I just hope we aren't relying on that too much.

We can only wait until 9 am tomorrow and then I'll critique after we make picks.
ldc

Champaign, IL

#8 Apr 25, 2009
Bankerdanny wrote:
The Bears were going to take Mitchell? The guy that Kuyper had as a 5th round choice, the 5th best safety and the #1 and 3 safeties were still on the board?
Angelo generally has been productive in later rounds, and maybe Mitchell will prove to be very good, but the consensus was that Mitchell was a late 2nd day quality safety and it does not inspire confidence that the Bears thought that he was worth a mid 2nd round pick.
Do you know who else was a consensus 5th round prospect?

Charles Tillman.

I respect Kiper, but a lot of the Guru's don't spend enough time evaluating smaller schools, nor do they have a grasp of how a system of play dictates the type of players a GM/coach may want.

That's why every mainstream mock didn't have Tyson Jackson going to the Chiefs, but it made sense, giving the teams specific needs.
Thor

Britton, MI

#9 Apr 25, 2009
Denny Green wrote:
That said, if he is going to take some unknowns anyway he may as well get more picks. I suppose I would have rather he had traded the 3rd he used on Garret Wolfe for a 4th and a 5th.
Garret Wolfe was a third rounder? I'd forgotten that, so that explains why so many are so happy with angelo trading away the bears second round draft pick for lower round picks. Garret Wolfe, wow, there you go. I was thinking they'd probably get some injured guy that looked like a bargain, or else someone that likes to party, but if you can trade down and find a player that your coaches like because if the coaches have a project then maybe they can keep their job another year or so, well, go for it. I expect to see at least one conversion project for the defense, and maybe a few floor guys too. These are the type of draft picks that help the practice team make the offense look really good in training camp. But then when time comes to play other teams players, not so much. Giving a high draft pick to Angelo is like giving a pearl to an oyster, they really don't know what to do with it, and it just winds up irritating them until someone with more knowledge of such things comes along and takes it from them. Pearls before ... Bears?
dan

Orlando, FL

#10 Apr 25, 2009
i wasn't disapointed, i thought this was a weak draft and the guys in the 2nd round left when we draftn werent all that much better than the players we could get in the 3rd round tomorrow so it was a good deal. I wanted wr brit but that wasnt gonna happen, i thought maybe we could of used the player seattle drafted with r pick cause he could play both c and guard, but o well we got a pro bowl qb!!!!! i can deal with it haha
syracuse-bear-fa n

Collierville, TN

#11 Apr 25, 2009
Just when you think that things are going well, it seems like the Bears mgt passes on improvement to save a dollar. Fortunately for them, the Seahawks had the 2-for-1 coupon that Jerry was looking for to trade for our 2nd round pick. This is very frustrating. I, for one, am looking to see playmakers... not just "quality" picks we are able to pick up in later rounds.

“<insert witty comment here>”

Since: Jul 07

Arlington Heights, IL

#12 Apr 25, 2009
Oh, come on, people. Has anyone actually seen Massaquoi play? The last thing we need is yet another WR who drops passes. We already have plenty on them on the roster. Yes, Hester, I'm looking in your direction...

Angelo has shown us time and time again that his first round picks are worthless, but his late round picks are usually better. Go figure. Trade all the first round picks away for proven players from now on, that's fine with me.

“<insert witty comment here>”

Since: Jul 07

Arlington Heights, IL

#13 Apr 25, 2009
ldc wrote:
Do you know who else was a consensus 5th round prospect?
Charles Tillman.
And he plays like Mr. Irrelevant. Maybe there's a *real* corner in the 5th round that can replace him.
Irvin

Britton, MI

#14 Apr 25, 2009
Angelo really knows how to kill the buzz around a team. I thought that was lovie's job. Just think how much money Angelo saved the team's owners by trading down, I bet he'd like to even trade down again if he can tomorrow. He can probably save lots more money that way!!! I'd say based on the teams needs analysis, that what what the bears need most is more draft picks, but only if they are in later rounds, can't be trading up unless it is in a late round where it doesn't really affect player salaries much. Better still is if they can trade down enough to later rounds where no one will notice if they don't actually pick anyone. Just return their pile of late round picks unused, maybe they could even get a deposit back when they return them like an empty bottle.
gman2010

Cicero, IL

#15 Apr 25, 2009
all bear fans urgent call halas hall sunday. the bears are getting older! gerry angelo mine as well bite the bullet and give up hester and some draft choices for bouldin tommorrow. we have no real receivers!!! no T.O who we could have had for a great price. no holt no experienced receivers worth having. and to let all the draft top draft choices go and pickup some no name! Gerry you proved you are not good in the draft. cutler may be good but he will have no one to throw to. mine as well se if jerry rice is available. he is better than what we have.
Indiana Jones

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Apr 25, 2009
Frank the tank wrote:
Considering the bears make the most out of their second day picks, I'm not too worried, and Angelo did point out, we improved alot a few weeks ago. Other teams had to catch up at some point. The one thing he is counting on is the development of 2nd day draft studs, like BRIGGS for example, or VASHER. People who made impact right away in later draft rounds. I just hope we aren't relying on that too much.
We can only wait until 9 am tomorrow and then I'll critique after we make picks.
Vasher is not a stud.
ldc

Champaign, IL

#17 Apr 25, 2009
syracuse-bear-fan wrote:
Just when you think that things are going well, it seems like the Bears mgt passes on improvement to save a dollar. Fortunately for them, the Seahawks had the 2-for-1 coupon that Jerry was looking for to trade for our 2nd round pick. This is very frustrating. I, for one, am looking to see playmakers... not just "quality" picks we are able to pick up in later rounds.
What "playmaker" did JA lose by trading down?

No other WRs were chosen besides M.M. And even the best estimates suggest he is a possession guy at best.

In that, that is the problem with the WRs in the draft across the board past the first round guys (and even some of the). You either have bigger, slower guys like M.M.,Barden, Patrick Turner, Igelsias on one hand, and smaller, quicker, but frail guys lick Derrick Williams, Brandon Tate, Louis Murphy, etc. on the other.

Again, doesn't understand the degree of criticism.
jerry s

Antigua and Barbuda

#18 Apr 25, 2009
I do not exactly see the logics in Angelo passing up on Massaquoi
gobaseline

United States

#19 Apr 25, 2009
WR Jamarko Simmons from Western Michigan University lit up Vantai Davis head to head. Torched the backfields of Iowa, Va Tech, UVA, Fla. State, Indiana, Illinois, Nebraska and WVA.
Broke all of Greg Jennings records. 6'2 230, 4.5 40, tough as nails and catches everything. He's a football player who makes plays. He's there and needs to be taken.
gman2010

Cicero, IL

#20 Apr 25, 2009
dan, its a weak draft , so whats your solution? sit and hope rahseed davis turns into T.O.

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