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NFL draft: Buckeyes' streak in danger | BuckeyeXtra

There are 37 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Apr 21, 2010, titled NFL draft: Buckeyes' streak in danger | BuckeyeXtra. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Mottos such as "No name, no blame, no worries," and "Do your one-11th" served Ohio State's defensive players very well last season, but they're doing them no favors heading into the NFL draft.

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Mr Optimist

Columbus, OH

#21 Apr 21, 2010
John wrote:
Talent has MOST DEFINITELY slipped when it comes to offensive line....in nine years Tress has only recruited one player who now starts at O-line in the NFL...Nick Mangold of the Jets..Pathetic!!!!!!....Talent level is still good but there is no doubt Cooper brought in the NFL studs.....
And how many national championships did we win with coopers nfl studs?
John

Covington, KY

#22 Apr 21, 2010
In 2007 OSU was number #1 with most in NFL as of start of NFL season.....2008 they were #2.....Last year there was a drop because a lot of the Cooper recruits were starting to filter out of the league....I think they were still top 6 or so.....Next April there will be 10 or so Buckeyes that will get drafted...Talent is still good, no doubt...I think Ohio State needs to bring in more players from Florida and Georgia......and I like the way Tressel has made solid inroads recruiting there.....
Brutus

Monclova, OH

#23 Apr 21, 2010
Vinny, So you would rather see 4 or 5 first round draft picks every year coming out of OSU and go back to losing to MI and bowl games and not playing in the BCS title games? It sure sounds like it.
Brutus

Monclova, OH

#24 Apr 21, 2010
Vinny wrote:
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I'd say that the talent upon Tressell's first 5 teams, which were infused with Cooper recruits, was far greater than what his next 5 teams have had. Coincidentally, Tressell's bowl record, vs. top 10 opponents, and in big games in general has marked slipped in the last 5 years, compared to his first 5 in Columbus.
Just ask NFL scouts and GMs what they think about the talent level and how they've been coached up at OSU by Tressell vs Cooper. I dare you. No, I double dare you. Go ahead......
I could careless what the NFL scouts think. All I care is Ohio State's win loss record this year and the years to come. If we have BCS bowl wins, national championships appearances and a win here and there, wins against meatchicken, then I am happy. I don't watch the NFL draft and sulk over how many buckeyes did not get drafted. And I don't jump for joy when I see a bunch of players get drafted either.
John

Warren, OH

#25 Apr 21, 2010
Vinny wrote:
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Take away the walk-ons from being calculated into the team GPA, All Big 10 scholar athletes, etc., etc., and there is little improvement from Cooper in terms of academics. Ditto for the criminal acts committed by recruits and roster players. The only improvement is the winning in certain games, which has decreased, except for the Michigan game, since Tressell ran out of Cooper recruits.
Anyone who thinks Tressell, unless he wins another national title, won't be viewed as having stepped into a fortuitous amount of talent at the right time is crazy. And how he leaves the program, whether as Cooper or as Bruce, for his successor is likewise.
Yes, take away all the players that earn good grades and the team GPA sucks. What an intelligent thought. As someone who attended OSU from 1996-2001 (insert 5 year joke here)I cannot believe people are talking about John Cooper as if he were better than Jim Tressel at anything. I was at the U of M game in '96 and the MSU game in '98, and trust me, John Cooper is an inferior coach in EVERY way. If he was the coach in 2002 the Bucks lose 4 games minimum (including the minor bowl game they would have attended). I will say Cooper was very good at demolishing vastly weaker teams in September.

Jim Tressel coached teams have given the Buckeye Nation some of the greatest wins in our proud history, while John Cooper teams provided us with many of the greatest let downs.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#26 Apr 21, 2010
John wrote:
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Yes, take away all the players that earn good grades and the team GPA sucks. What an intelligent thought. As someone who attended OSU from 1996-2001 (insert 5 year joke here)I cannot believe people are talking about John Cooper as if he were better than Jim Tressel at anything. I was at the U of M game in '96 and the MSU game in '98, and trust me, John Cooper is an inferior coach in EVERY way. If he was the coach in 2002 the Bucks lose 4 games minimum (including the minor bowl game they would have attended). I will say Cooper was very good at demolishing vastly weaker teams in September.
Jim Tressel coached teams have given the Buckeye Nation some of the greatest wins in our proud history, while John Cooper teams provided us with many of the greatest let downs.
Absolutely correct on all points!
Tony

Saint Louis, MO

#27 Apr 21, 2010
Hey Vinny...you have all the answers and apparent connections. Why don't you tell us what all the NFL scouts and GM's have to say about the OSU talent level and coaching? Until you spit something out and can back it up with facts, I'll just consider you another idiot who thinks they know all about college football players. I'm an avid Buckeye fan and appreciate not only the product on the field, but also how Tressel molds most players into respectable, productive people off the field. All you want to do is slam them when less then perfect.

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#28 Apr 21, 2010
Tony wrote:
Hey Vinny...you have all the answers and apparent connections. Why don't you tell us what all the NFL scouts and GM's have to say about the OSU talent level and coaching? Until you spit something out and can back it up with facts, I'll just consider you another idiot who thinks they know all about college football players. I'm an avid Buckeye fan and appreciate not only the product on the field, but also how Tressel molds most players into respectable, productive people off the field. All you want to do is slam them when less then perfect.
Vinny is just upset he got turned down by OSU and had to resort to moving to Tennessee.
Vinny

Knoxville, TN

#29 Apr 22, 2010
Brutus wrote:
Vinny, So you would rather see 4 or 5 first round draft picks every year coming out of OSU and go back to losing to MI and bowl games and not playing in the BCS title games? It sure sounds like it.
Is that what I'm implying? Are you happy with the second half of Tressell's tenure in Columbus? Sorry, but since he doesn't have Cooper recruits stocking the roster, Tressell's record in bowls, against top 10 teams, etc. has been rather poor. And that's because there's a lack of player talent, which goes back to his and his staff's inability to evaluate and develop players. It is what it is regardless of whether or not you and the rest of the Rah Rahs want to admit it. Isn't it about time for you to go cut Tressell's lawn in Upper Arlington?

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#30 Apr 22, 2010
Vinny wrote:
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Is that what I'm implying? Are you happy with the second half of Tressell's tenure in Columbus? Sorry, but since he doesn't have Cooper recruits stocking the roster, Tressell's record in bowls, against top 10 teams, etc. has been rather poor. And that's because there's a lack of player talent, which goes back to his and his staff's inability to evaluate and develop players. It is what it is regardless of whether or not you and the rest of the Rah Rahs want to admit it. Isn't it about time for you to go cut Tressell's lawn in Upper Arlington?
In his second half he has had 2NC game appearances, one an undefeated season up until the beating by Florida. He has won the Big Ten multiple times, he has beaten Michigan every year, including when they were #2 in the country. He has won a Rose Bowl, and barely got beat by a Texas team last year that most thought should have been in the NC. Facts are facts my friend. In the second half of his tenure, he has had more success than Cooper by far. Not to mention hasn't given the UM fans bragging rights which is a main reason OSU brought him in.
Vinny

Knoxville, TN

#32 Apr 22, 2010
FLABUCK wrote:
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In his second half he has had 2NC game appearances, one an undefeated season up until the beating by Florida. He has won the Big Ten multiple times, he has beaten Michigan every year, including when they were #2 in the country. He has won a Rose Bowl, and barely got beat by a Texas team last year that most thought should have been in the NC. Facts are facts my friend. In the second half of his tenure, he has had more success than Cooper by far. Not to mention hasn't given the UM fans bragging rights which is a main reason OSU brought him in.
His teams were not just beaten but humiliated in back to back national championship games. Add in losing to Texas' John Cooper, Mack Brown (plus, in another regular season game). His awesome bowl wins over the last 5 years have been vs the mighty ducks of Oregon (how many Rose Bowl wins in their school history?) and Notre Dame (who doesn't beat the Irish in their bowls lately?). Add in the losses to Southern Cal on national tv. And this leaves one asking what exactly Jimmy Tressell has done the last 5 years, besides winning a weakened conference. Not much, not much.
Huge Buckeye fan

United States

#33 Apr 22, 2010
I don't see any Buckeye getting drafted higher than a third rounder. Great guys but inconsistancy plagued our defense all year. The Purdue game proved that. Smallish Defensive players don't turn any scouts on. Hopefully they make us proud once they get in. Go BUCKS!!
Huge Buckeye fan

United States

#34 Apr 22, 2010
Vinny wrote:
The talent has been slipping. There isn't really that potential franchise player being produced every year as happened under Cooper. If the conference hadn't begun to stink so badly over the last 6-7 years, Tressell's glaring inability to evaluate would be even more apparent and talked about (because he would have been losing more).
I hope he doesn't leave the program bereft of talent, as Earl Bruce did John Cooper. We know how hard that was to overcome. And look no further than TSUN for another example of how leaving little player talent for the new coach can make building a perennially competitive program very, very difficult. As is, I worry about Jimmy Tressell will leave for his successor.
Cooper was an awesome recruiter but an average coach.

“WAR EAGLE”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#35 Apr 22, 2010
Big 10 crew,
There is a huge buzz about the Big 10 adding another school. Who gets the invite?? I doubt ND will care so who else is on the hot list? WVU?

“Bleeding Scarlet and Gray!”

Since: Sep 09

Worthington

#36 Apr 22, 2010
Vinny wrote:
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His teams were not just beaten but humiliated in back to back national championship games. Add in losing to Texas' John Cooper, Mack Brown (plus, in another regular season game). His awesome bowl wins over the last 5 years have been vs the mighty ducks of Oregon (how many Rose Bowl wins in their school history?) and Notre Dame (who doesn't beat the Irish in their bowls lately?). Add in the losses to Southern Cal on national tv. And this leaves one asking what exactly Jimmy Tressell has done the last 5 years, besides winning a weakened conference. Not much, not much.
Who cares how many Rose Bowls Oregon won. What happened in the past 50 years has nothing to do with how good a team was last season. Oregon was supposed to be one of the most explosive offenses in the nation, and we simply shut them down. Again, the NC games may have been horrible, but they had to get there. There are another 120 teams and coaches that would have loved to be in the NC, but couldn't get there. Obviously you have a hatred for Tressel, just don't come running when OSU wins another BCS bowl this year and possibly a NC. Then what?
buckeye alum 08

United States

#37 Apr 22, 2010
Colin Cowherd called Aj Hawk a huge bust today on ESPN radio ...unfortunately I agree
Huh

Hilliard, OH

#38 Apr 22, 2010
buckeye alum 08 wrote:
Colin Cowherd called Aj Hawk a huge bust today on ESPN radio ...unfortunately I agree
That is what happens when you can't take steroids and smoke pot any more..u r a bust!!!

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