NFL draft: Buckeyes' streak in danger | BuckeyeXtra

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Mottos such as "No name, no blame, no worries," and "Do your one-11th" served Ohio State's defensive players very well last season, but they're doing them no favors heading into the NFL draft.

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Vinny

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The talent has been slipping. There isn't really that potential franchise player being produced every year as happened under Cooper. If the conference hadn't begun to stink so badly over the last 6-7 years, Tressell's glaring inability to evaluate would be even more apparent and talked about (because he would have been losing more).

I hope he doesn't leave the program bereft of talent, as Earl Bruce did John Cooper. We know how hard that was to overcome. And look no further than TSUN for another example of how leaving little player talent for the new coach can make building a perennially competitive program very, very difficult. As is, I worry about Jimmy Tressell will leave for his successor.
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So all the buckeyes drafted in the first round over the past several years must have slipped in? There sure are a lot of young buckeyes playing in the league...CW, JL, MJ, TG, AG, BR...even Boone is starting to pan out and another was the superbowl MVP. And the current group of players are loaded with future pros. Anyway I am tired of typing on the I phone. The talent at OSU is very strong and the pipeline is still flowing.
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Apr 21, 2010
 
Isn't OSU tied for most players currently playing in the NFL? Didn't the Big Ten win most of it's bowl games and aren't the Bucks 1-2 in National Championship games? How make NC ga,es did Cooper ge to Vinny?
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I'm more concerned about what they do in college...isn't that what Tress is here for? And don't give me the garbage that players go where they can learn to be professional better because Notre Dame hasn't won a championship in 20 years and USC only has one to it's credit.
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Talent has MOST DEFINITELY slipped when it comes to offensive line....in nine years Tress has only recruited one player who now starts at O-line in the NFL...Nick Mangold of the Jets..Pathetic!!!!!!....Talent level is still good but there is no doubt Cooper brought in the NFL studs.....
Brutus

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Well at least Cooper has one fan left, Vinny from TN. That's where Cooper is from. Coincidence?
Brutus

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John wrote:
Talent has MOST DEFINITELY slipped when it comes to offensive line....in nine years Tress has only recruited one player who now starts at O-line in the NFL...Nick Mangold of the Jets..Pathetic!!!!!!....Talent level is still good but there is no doubt Cooper brought in the NFL studs.....
Yeah all those studs produced how many wins against MI, bowl wins, national titles? We all know what Tressel has done for OSU, which is way much better than John Cooper.
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Really..thats the best you can come up with as a crack on Tress, talent level???
WOW, just wow...take off the blinders, he has made Ohio State football more than just a football team, they have great players and more importantly great kids.
...and before the mentions of #13 and the latest dumbass surface, think of all the good guys that have come through and either graduated on time or early.
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Apr 21, 2010
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAA, pretty pathetic this is all the writers have to write about in columbus. Another slow sports day!!!!
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While I wish all of our players well at the next level whether it be in the NFL or some other field, what they did as Buckeyes matters the most to me. Vernon Gholston set a sack record at tOSU and hasn't recorded one since he has been a Jet, but that doesn't diminish his contribution as a Buckeye.
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Brutus wrote:
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Yeah all those studs produced how many wins against MI, bowl wins, national titles? We all know what Tressel has done for OSU, which is way much better than John Cooper.
Coop recruited 20 of the 22 starters on the 2002 NC team.....Fluke losses in 1996 to scUM and 1998 to MSU cost Coop 2 NC.....His record was horrific versus scUM and in bowls but he did recruit top NFL talent.......
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Really..thats the best you can come up with as a crack on Tress, talent level???
WOW, just wow...take off the blinders, he has made Ohio State football more than just a football team, they have great players and more importantly great kids.
...and before the mentions of #13 and the latest **** surface, think of all the good guys that have come through and either graduated on time or early.
Take away the walk-ons from being calculated into the team GPA, All Big 10 scholar athletes, etc., etc., and there is little improvement from Cooper in terms of academics. Ditto for the criminal acts committed by recruits and roster players. The only improvement is the winning in certain games, which has decreased, except for the Michigan game, since Tressell ran out of Cooper recruits.

Anyone who thinks Tressell, unless he wins another national title, won't be viewed as having stepped into a fortuitous amount of talent at the right time is crazy. And how he leaves the program, whether as Cooper or as Bruce, for his successor is likewise.
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Pleeeez people
I can't believe that OSU fans still let the likes of jerks like "Vinny" get them riled up!
In a nut shell, Vinny is and idiot now and has been for a while, Tressle is not going anywhere, and is a good evaluator of talent.
Facts are,you are bound to have down years in the draft every once in a while, Especially when you have a bunch of dedicated players, who weren't a bunch of loud mouth derelicts trying to make a name for themselves, who didn't cause trouble or embarrassment to the Buckeyes, But did play with pride "as a unit and got the job done" I wish all of the players luck getting drafted GO BUCKS!!!
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Vinny wrote:
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Take away the walk-ons from being calculated into the team GPA, All Big 10 scholar athletes, etc., etc., and there is little improvement from Cooper in terms of academics. Ditto for the criminal acts committed by recruits and roster players. The only improvement is the winning in certain games, which has decreased, except for the Michigan game, since Tressell ran out of Cooper recruits.
Anyone who thinks Tressell, unless he wins another national title, won't be viewed as having stepped into a fortuitous amount of talent at the right time is crazy. And how he leaves the program, whether as Cooper or as Bruce, for his successor is likewise.
Vinny: One fact I want to correct you on.

By NCAA rules, only scholarship players can count toward a team's GPA, APR, etc and so on. That's to prevent coaches from loading up on smart walk-ons to pad the numbers.
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John wrote:
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Coop recruited 20 of the 22 starters on the 2002 NC team.....Fluke losses in 1996 to scUM and 1998 to MSU cost Coop 2 NC.....His record was horrific versus scUM and in bowls but he did recruit top NFL talent.......
I would rather have wins over MI, in bowl games, and being in and winning national titles over how many players get drafted in the first round any day. Bottom line is to win not how many players get drafted in the first round, the topic of this article.
Vinny

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Ken Gordon wrote:
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Vinny: One fact I want to correct you on.
By NCAA rules, only scholarship players can count toward a team's GPA, APR, etc and so on. That's to prevent coaches from loading up on smart walk-ons to pad the numbers.
But they are included in All Big 10 scholar-athletes, if they have a 3.0+ GPA, as illustrated by the 2-3 fold increase in such under Tressell. It'd be interesting to see if the quality of majors for scholarship players has improved under Tressell. Thanks, though, Gordo, always glad to see you et al who write these columns involved in the threads.
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I would rather have wins over MI, in bowl games, and being in and winning national titles over how many players get drafted in the first round any day. Bottom line is to win not how many players get drafted in the first round, the topic of this article.
I'd say that the talent upon Tressell's first 5 teams, which were infused with Cooper recruits, was far greater than what his next 5 teams have had. Coincidentally, Tressell's bowl record, vs. top 10 opponents, and in big games in general has marked slipped in the last 5 years, compared to his first 5 in Columbus.

Just ask NFL scouts and GMs what they think about the talent level and how they've been coached up at OSU by Tressell vs Cooper. I dare you. No, I double dare you. Go ahead......
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So you're saying you dont like Tress...got it.

I tend to like him, not for the football and success he has on the field, but for the time and concern he has for his kids off the field and the rest of their lives.

Argue stats and pros and Coop all you want.

"The secret of winning football games is working more as a team, less as individuals. I play not my 11 best, but my best 11." -Knute Rockne

College football is about team, school, and growing, not about who likes who and how it works out in the tune of millions of dollars.

Tress does a great job and who else would you have lead these young men?
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Mchigun fan wrote:
Isn't OSU tied for most players currently playing in the NFL? D
I question that stat.I know Michigan and the three Florida teams we're at the top for awhile.Regardless there are quite a few Buckeyes in the NFL they just don't have much success.How many are starters or all-pro level talent?Mangold and a Cooper player Will Smith are the only guys I can think of.

John Cooper was by far the best recruiter OSU has ever seen.His coaching in big games left a lot to be desired but he could bring in the talent.

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Brobama 08 wrote:
<quoted text>I question that stat.I know Michigan and the three Florida teams we're at the top for awhile.Regardless there are quite a few Buckeyes in the NFL they just don't have much success.How many are starters or all-pro level talent?Mangold and a Cooper player Will Smith are the only guys I can think of.
John Cooper was by far the best recruiter OSU has ever seen.His coaching in big games left a lot to be desired but he could bring in the talent.
I will take a higher win percentage, wins over Michigan, more big bowl appearances and wins, and constantly being in the top ten over how many NFL recruits he brings in any day. If you want to go back to the Cooper years, take a look at win percentages, Big Ten Championships, and bowl wins. Tressel recruits a better team, Cooper may have recruited a better individual talent, but who cares?

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