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Former Buckeye Nick Mangold, now an All-Pro for the New York Jets, has emerged the NFL's top center. Read more
Go Bucks

Dallas, NC

#1 Jan 24, 2010
Congratulations to Nick and I hope he plays well in a loss today. However, isn't he the only o-lineman that has proven to be a success under the current coaching staff? OSU has had NFL talent everywhere except the o-line. I feel that explains a lot of their struggles in championship games. Can anyone name another?
SSD1979

Lakeland, FL

#2 Jan 24, 2010
Go Bucks wrote:
Congratulations to Nick and I hope he plays well in a loss today. However, isn't he the only o-lineman that has proven to be a success under the current coaching staff? OSU has had NFL talent everywhere except the o-line. I feel that explains a lot of their struggles in championship games. Can anyone name another?
Rob Sims, Seahawks.
buckeyes

Pickerington, OH

#3 Jan 24, 2010
got to love the haters.go panthers!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Jan 10

Greenville Ohio

#4 Jan 24, 2010
I don't know why anyone who poses any tough questions or comments that are constructive criticism is branded a "hater". The fact is Nick and Rob Simms are the only two offensive lineman from the entire last decade to establish themselves as solid NFL players. We used to always put one or more real good OL in the NFL every year. Both Rob and Nick came to OSU early in the decade. I completely agree that this is a real problem for us against the tough teams. It all starts with the "big uglies".

“Go Buckeyes! ”

Since: Aug 09

Ohio

#5 Jan 24, 2010
Good for Mangold!! But I have to say I want the Colts to win.
Buckfan69

United States

#6 Jan 24, 2010
Old Buckeye wrote:
I don't know why anyone who poses any tough questions or comments that are constructive criticism is branded a "hater". The fact is Nick and Rob Simms are the only two offensive lineman from the entire last decade to establish themselves as solid NFL players. We used to always put one or more real good OL in the NFL every year. Both Rob and Nick came to OSU early in the decade. I completely agree that this is a real problem for us against the tough teams. It all starts with the "big uglies".
I totally agree with you on both counts. I'm tired of people who disagree with me calling me a hater. It's a cop-out. And the offensive line used to wear other teams down. For years that was the Buckeye way; not necessarily 3 yards and a cloud of dust, but big, physical linemen who beat up on the other team's line on play after play. It was why we typically outscored the other team 2-1 in the second half. It's a key to the Tressel strategy of ball control too, so I'm mystified that we haven't had more Nick Mangolds, Orlando Paces, and John Hicks in the last few years.

Since: Dec 09

Westerville

#7 Jan 25, 2010
It's not like we're not getting the recruits. Bollman is the problem and as long as the Bucks win in spite of him, not because of him he'll keep his job. Hire a real offensive line coach and let Fickell coordinate the defense. Heck, let Luke do both. When JT decides to retire, Fickell is the obvious choice. It's time to get rid of the "co-defensive coordinator" title and give him the keys to the Ferrari.
Go Bucks

Norcross, GA

#8 Jan 25, 2010
Go Bucks wrote:
Congratulations to Nick and I hope he plays well in a loss today. However, isn't he the only o-lineman that has proven to be a success under the current coaching staff? OSU has had NFL talent everywhere except the o-line. I feel that explains a lot of their struggles in championship games. Can anyone name another?
In no way am I a "hater". It was a legitimate thought that crossed my mind. I think back to the number of NFL o-lineman OSU produced in the 80's and 90's and the last decade pales in comparison. I'm a long-time Buckeye and very proud of what has been accomplished. However, I see the lack of o-line development as a concerning trend.

As far as the "go panthers" comment, I've been a lifelong Browns fan (and that has been more painful than cheering for the Panthers lateley).
Jon H

Columbus, OH

#9 Jan 25, 2010
Center...Stardom...I think not.

Solid player for sure though!
NW Buckeye

Hood River, OR

#10 Jan 25, 2010
Go Bucks wrote:
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In no way am I a "hater". It was a legitimate thought that crossed my mind. I think back to the number of NFL o-lineman OSU produced in the 80's and 90's and the last decade pales in comparison. I'm a long-time Buckeye and very proud of what has been accomplished. However, I see the lack of o-line development as a concerning trend.
As far as the "go panthers" comment, I've been a lifelong Browns fan (and that has been more painful than cheering for the Panthers lateley).
OSU currently has 4 offensive linemen playing in the pros. That matches both USC and Florida. Your logic of dominance of linemen in the NFL to reflect success in the NCAA is a little skewed. Yes, it would be nice to have all our linemen go pro, but the bottom line is that the NFL is a totally different game. Look at the number of all-star skill position players who never get a sniff in the pros. The same is true for the grunt positions. Gems will be found at smaller schools as well as the top 10 teams - and playing professionally is much different than playing at the college level. You can look up NFL players by school here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/college/_/letter/o

As for the "haters" label that some will attach to posters - there are so many here that dis the coaching staff and many readers get quite tired of it. The success that JT and his staff have brought OSU is as great or greater as any who have coached here, but there are those who will continually nitpick and point out the flaws. And there are those who identify the measuring standard of OSU lineman in the NFL a bit of a stretch to bash the staff once again. Particularly when you can easily investigate college teams with recent BCS success and see that they also do not have the numbers of pro offensive linemen that you identify as a measure of success. And, the years that you are referring to (80's & 90's)did not produce the success on the college level that we are enjoying now. Realize that I am not calling you a hater here, just informing you of the facts, and why some others might use that label for you.
Ace

Astoria, NY

#11 Jan 25, 2010
Nice to see the father admitting he was mistaken. Many people can't do that.
Ad-Rock

Columbus, OH

#12 Jan 27, 2010
Mangold is a great player. He has progressed at each level and is part of the foundation for the Jets.

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