Giants' MVP: Could it be... Tiki?

Giants' MVP: Could it be... Tiki?

There are 36 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 15, 2008, titled Giants' MVP: Could it be... Tiki?. In it, Newsday reports that:

Tiki, take a bow. If the Giants and their fans - this includes the ones in the stands and the ones disguised as media members - are inclined to blame Tiki Barber for the team's woes last season, they have no ...

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zach - fl

United States

#1 Jan 15, 2008
In truth Amoni Toomer is their MVP and in a way Shockey since he left. It certainly is not Eli. If Accorsi feels good today, he is dreaming. Eli still is an average at best QB and in no way worth what he gave up. Ben already won a superbowl and Rivers is a great passer and has a chance for a superbowl - not to mention Shaun Merriman is also in the running for a superbowl. The last 2 games Eli had a chance to put the game away by getting a 1st down at the end and he failed each time. He could have easily run for a 1st down twice but did not. If not for their defense, they would have lost.
Chris

New York, NY

#2 Jan 15, 2008
I love that there are people out there that can't understand that it is not how you win the game, it is that you win the game. The true problem is not the team, it is the moron reporters that need to revert back to talking about Tiki Barber in order to find something to write about.

I think that we should let Tiki Barber worry about remaining relevant by publishing books full of half naked pictures of himself and by bashing his old team mates (like true scum). While he does that the rest of us should look at a team that is going to the NFC Championship game not only without Tiki Barber, but with an excellent running game!

How bout em' Giants?!?!?
John

United States

#3 Jan 15, 2008
Although Tiki was a tremendous Running Back (looking back after the results of each game and each of his more recent seasons), he was not a CONSISTENT EVERY DOWN back. Everyone kept talking about how Tiki always got the 1 or 2 40-50 yard breaks a game, thus making his average per carry bloated. And if you're not consistent each time you run, it makes the Quarterback's job more difficult-- leaving him with third and longs.

Ahmad, Ward, Brandon, although they aren't Tiki (who knows about Ahmad right now), they are more consistent at getting the 4-5 yards each time.

Also, Eli's issues are due to various aspects. His numbers may seem lowest, but he has been a better Quarterback this season. Numbers and ratings aren't everything.

Never underestimate the injury of a number 1 Reciever, a poor offensive coordinator (who seldom shows good calls), the oft injured Moss and Smith, and a Quarterback having to throw in one of the hardest stadiums to throw in.

DOME THE STADIUM ALREADY!
Phil in NJ

Toms River, NJ

#4 Jan 15, 2008
You say that nothing has changed from last year to this year, then write 4 paragraphs about things that have changed.

But the biggest thing that has changed has been the team chemistry. I don't believe that Tiki's comments in the media were responsible for the chemistry to develop; I believe it developed because the guys on the team didn't want a repeat of the chitchat from last year...chitchat that was led by none-other than Tiki Barber.
KJ from Queens

Atlanta, GA

#5 Jan 15, 2008
First of all, Tiki was a huge reason why the Giants stayed relevant the last ten years. Does he talk too much, yeah, but the guy busted his butt and showed up every game despite injuries for the Giants. Don't have to like him personally, but respect the man that was a low draft pick a third string running back that became the best running back in the history of the Giants....Let's be fair. Also, Troy Aikman mentioned the fact that Tiki made some pretty mediocre offensive lines look good by his style of running. He had fumbling problems and did not let that ruin his confidence or career, he actually got better.

Let's just focus our attention on what's going on now.
Izzy Michaels

Englewood, CO

#6 Jan 15, 2008
zach - fl wrote:
In truth Amoni Toomer is their MVP and in a way Shockey since he left. It certainly is not Eli. If Accorsi feels good today, he is dreaming. Eli still is an average at best QB and in no way worth what he gave up. Ben already won a superbowl and Rivers is a great passer and has a chance for a superbowl - not to mention Shaun Merriman is also in the running for a superbowl. The last 2 games Eli had a chance to put the game away by getting a 1st down at the end and he failed each time. He could have easily run for a 1st down twice but did not. If not for their defense, they would have lost.
What a shmuck!
sean

Southlake, TX

#7 Jan 15, 2008
Enough about Tiki!!!!!!
Can you guys give it a rest???????
They are a better "team" without him.
blern

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Jan 15, 2008
zach - fl wrote:
In truth Amoni Toomer is their MVP and in a way Shockey since he left. It certainly is not Eli. If Accorsi feels good today, he is dreaming. Eli still is an average at best QB and in no way worth what he gave up. Ben already won a superbowl and Rivers is a great passer and has a chance for a superbowl - not to mention Shaun Merriman is also in the running for a superbowl. The last 2 games Eli had a chance to put the game away by getting a 1st down at the end and he failed each time. He could have easily run for a 1st down twice but did not. If not for their defense, they would have lost.
I still don't think Eli has justified the trade, but maybe he is on his way; we'll see. As for Ben, his team was stacked and he actually played poorly in the Superbowl despite winning. I do believe he is, and will remain, a better quarterback than Eli though. Rivers has had a poor season - worse statistically than Eli - and his antics (trash talking, egging on the fans, and essentially acting like an ass) are not representative of a top quarterback. Should he start against NE, he will undoubtedly get his comeuppance. Maybe he will learn some humility before a blitzing end or linebacker doles out some retribution.
Sufjan

Iceland

#9 Jan 15, 2008
Did Tiki Barber write this article?
Tim

Patchogue, NY

#10 Jan 15, 2008
I've been saying this all along, Tiki Barber is a great player but not a winner. His focus is always on himself and not winning at all cost. This years players have that "at all cost" mentality. Just look at the Dallas game. Barber is on television now which is where he belongs, not trying to help a team win a title. His heart wasnt totally there.
Kokomo Joe

Columbus, OH

#13 Jan 15, 2008
Tiki had 2 good years, and for the most part, he sucked the rest of the time! GO BLUE! Giants 24, Green Bay 17. Nuff said!
Rambo J

AOL

#14 Jan 15, 2008
Wally, his whiny criticisms have little to do with the team's success. It is simpler than that, straight up addition by subtraction. For all his production on field Tiki was a net negative to the team. He distracted from the focus and poisoned the atmosphere with his diva act. Last year's squad would have done better if he was injured and shut down. Tiki is/was a bum; whimpering trash that the team is better off without.
Rambo J

AOL

#15 Jan 15, 2008
You are an idiot. Toomer has had a couple nice games, but led the damn league in drops during the season. Shcokey has been hype not results. Try watching a game. Eli is not great shakes, but Shockey and Toomer? Get a clue
zach - fl wrote:
In truth Amoni Toomer is their MVP and in a way Shockey since he left. It certainly is not Eli. If Accorsi feels good today, he is dreaming. Eli still is an average at best QB and in no way worth what he gave up. Ben already won a superbowl and Rivers is a great passer and has a chance for a superbowl - not to mention Shaun Merriman is also in the running for a superbowl. The last 2 games Eli had a chance to put the game away by getting a 1st down at the end and he failed each time. He could have easily run for a 1st down twice but did not. If not for their defense, they would have lost.
Joemorrisforprez

San Francisco, CA

#16 Jan 15, 2008
Addition by subtraction is the correct answer. Tiki Barber was a great Giant player, but a lousy Giant teammate.
Tiki could have gone out in grand style, as a beloved Giant, but his personal ambition dictated otherwise. The Giants are stronger without him. The proof was all over the field last Sunday - the better team beat the better players.
Jeff

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Jan 15, 2008
With all due respect, it's NOT the same defense.

This year we actually have a defensive coordinator. And not just an average one. He's turned a tentative, reactive bunch into an attacking, aggressive, at times monstrous defense that puts the fear of God in opposing QBs even if they complete passes.

This is major. Major major.

I liked Tiki as a player, but at the same time suspected his personality and clashes with the coach did more to harm the team than help it.

Nevertheless, with all due respect, a defense that actually plays defense when it counts makes all the difference in the world.

The defense is the difference.
MS Boy

Philadelphia, MS

#18 Jan 15, 2008
Tiki Barbers arrogance and cenicism was like a cancer in the Giant offense. If anyone has ever had to work with personality types like Tiki's, then you well know how difficult someone like him makes it to do ones job. If you cut out the cancer only good things can happen. As a Giant fan, I would like to personally thank Tiki for leaving the team. Best thing he could have ever done for the Giants. As for his career... Well, it is deffinitely comical at times.
Realistic

Danville, CA

#19 Jan 15, 2008
Get Real, the players are a year maturer, and the defense has stepped up a notch. Get a life moron, who's to balme for you having a job as a writer. Whoever he is, we need to send him thorns.
Mr Me

New York, NY

#20 Jan 15, 2008
Not only does Tiki need to shut is yap, he needs to get a handle on those eyebrows of his.
JFV

Suffield, CT

#21 Jan 15, 2008
Tiki was an excellent player for the NY Giants not an excellent teammate. He played at a very high level for this team. I do believe that his demeanor was a detriment to the chemistry of the team. My thoughts now are that Shockey may also be the same type of player. He has excellent skills but seems to have his own agenda. It appears as though Eli is playing better without him on the field right now too. I think that Eli must finish taking full control of the team for the Giants to have great success with Eli at quarterback. This week in the cold weather is very scary for us Giant fans. We'll see.
Eric

Calabasas, CA

#22 Jan 15, 2008
Hey Zach, Rivers is not a great passer yet. You say he's better than Eli because he has a chance at a superbowl but so does Eli. As for Merriman...even if we have that pick there's no telling who we would have drafted with that pick. Rivers has the luxury of playing in media friendly stress free San Diego. He's playing behind a great o-line with the best back in football and throwing to the best tight end in the game. He's had a very up and down year but doesn't have to deal with the intense scrutiny that Eli has to deal with. Even when Eli plays well it's nothing but back handed compliments and yeah buts from people.

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