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Forget What the Records Say, the Green Bay Packers Are the NFC's Best Team

There are 109 comments on the BleacherReport story from Nov 20, 2012, titled Forget What the Records Say, the Green Bay Packers Are the NFC's Best Team. In it, BleacherReport reports that:

Since the replacement referee debacle on Monday Night Football in Seattle in Week 5 dropped their record to 2-3, the Packers have reeled off five consecutive wins.

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GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#41 Nov 22, 2012
eric wrote:
<quoted text>As for the Vikings,they won 3 last year,this year they won 6 and are a threat.They have taken nice strides to improve and should be commended for a job they have done so far! They still arent quite where GB is and may never be,maybe they will pass them,who knows but they are a game behind ( actually 2 if not for the Seattle screw job) but still and if MINN beats Chi ( which i predict will happen) and if GB loses to NY ( which very well may happen) Minn and GB are tied along with Chi AND Minn is at Lambeau next week and Seattle is in Chicago,this could set up more interesting then we thought,interesting indeed.
I'll commend the Vikings for their minor accomplishments the day that Viking fans commend the Packers for being the greatest team in NFL history, for having an NFL record 13 titles and for being among the league's elite teams for decades. Until then, I'll leave it to the Vikng fans and you to make a big deal out of the Vikings rising from 4th to 3rd place in the division.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#42 Nov 22, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Been many years the Vikes stomped the pack. I am not a traitor. You might be a traitor but not me.
I'm no traitor. I'm not switching allegiance from MY team to another team, but then again I don' have any reason to switch. I haven't wasted 50 years rooting for a team that has produced nothing but heartache and failure. MY team has been the greatest football team in the world more times (13 to be exact) than any football team in history.
eric

Arpin, WI

#43 Nov 22, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't tell me about common sense. It's obvious you know NOTHING about common sense when you describe a return to the Clinton years tax rates as "rape"! Or when you describe Obama's Medicaid cost saving messures (also endorsed by Paul Ryan and included in his budget proposal) as rape. Or when you deny that Medicare (not Medicaid) wouldn't be destroyed if repaced by a voucher program. Or act as if the Republican grandstanding on extending the credit limit wasn't the cause of the US having it's credit limit downgraded. And NOBODY could possibly make the economy worse than the financial collaspe that occured under Bush. It's chidish denial to claim that Obama has made things worse than the second worst financial collapse in US history. If you had the ability to think about this without irrational and blind hatred clouding your judgment we could have an adult conversation. Let me know when you grow up. We'll talk about it then.
No one denied the economy didnt almost collapse,you lefties love the play the holier than thou arrogant BS and cant take responsibility.It was CLinton leg. that caused much of it.Clinton and the Rep running both houses benefited greatly from the High tech bubble and the .com bubble and Silicon Valley out burst which was private sector activity. I dont play the straight line bs,i use actual facts and im sorry Facts destroy your warped little bubble of your version of history and i also noticed you didnt answer my question,how is taxing small businesses and raping job creators going to strenthen the economy and create jobs?
ALSO, the voucher bs is just that bs and the fact Obama TOOK 700-800B from Medicaid to fund Obamacare and then cry the Republicans will destroy it if they took over is a joke and only a blind straight liner like you would eat the bs.When you can use actual facts,common sense and actually concern yourself with the truth,we can have a civilized conversation about the subject.It was also Kennedy who basically said you tax an economy into getting stronger and its true,you cant increase taxes on small businesses and expect them to hire,or grow the economy.If Obama would increase taxes on the millionaires ( over 1M per year) thats doable but the rich arent rich from being stupid,they just off shore the jobs to save the taxes and by the way NAFTA destroyed manufacturing ( like Ross Perot called in the 96 debate and guess who signed that one?_) George HW Bush wrote it out for the most part and William J Clinton signed it into law and as Ross Perot said,you put NAFTA into law,you wll flush the manufacturing sector down the toilet and he hit it perfectly,its gone to hell since
eric

Arpin, WI

#44 Nov 22, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll commend the Vikings for their minor accomplishments the day that Viking fans commend the Packers for being the greatest team in NFL history, for having an NFL record 13 titles and for being among the league's elite teams for decades. Until then, I'll leave it to the Vikng fans and you to make a big deal out of the Vikings rising from 4th to 3rd place in the division.
Im not making a big deal out of it,but, if Minn beats chicago and GB loses,Minn and GB are tied for 1st and going to face eachother at Lambeau the following week.Even if Minn beats Chi which i think will happen and GB beats NY,GB is a game up on Chicago and Minn. and the 2 face eachother the week later,so Minn is far from out of it and deserve credit for doing a very good job at improving from the shitty season they had last year,Sorry,i can give someone credit for a job well done.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#45 Nov 22, 2012
eric wrote:
<quoted text>No one denied the economy didnt almost collapse,you lefties love the play the holier than thou arrogant BS and cant take responsibility.It was CLinton leg. that caused much of it.Clinton and the Rep running both houses benefited greatly from the High tech bubble and the .com bubble and Silicon Valley out burst which was private sector activity. I dont play the straight line bs,i use actual facts and im sorry Facts destroy your warped little bubble of your version of history and i also noticed you didnt answer my question,how is taxing small businesses and raping job creators going to strenthen the economy and create jobs?
ALSO, the voucher bs is just that bs and the fact Obama TOOK 700-800B from Medicaid to fund Obamacare and then cry the Republicans will destroy it if they took over is a joke and only a blind straight liner like you would eat the bs.When you can use actual facts,common sense and actually concern yourself with the truth,we can have a civilized conversation about the subject.It was also Kennedy who basically said you tax an economy into getting stronger and its true,you cant increase taxes on small businesses and expect them to hire,or grow the economy.If Obama would increase taxes on the millionaires ( over 1M per year) thats doable but the rich arent rich from being stupid,they just off shore the jobs to save the taxes and by the way NAFTA destroyed manufacturing ( like Ross Perot called in the 96 debate and guess who signed that one?_) George HW Bush wrote it out for the most part and William J Clinton signed it into law and as Ross Perot said,you put NAFTA into law,you wll flush the manufacturing sector down the toilet and he hit it perfectly,its gone to hell since
Clinton left office with budget surpluses. So stop the foolish BS. The GOP was every bit as irrationally hateful of Clinton as Obama. America is no longer as stupid as the GOP would hope. That's all I care about. You can believe every single talking point and lie that the whackadoodles feed you. I don't need you to repeat them to me. I know what has happened. You can take your attempts to rewrite history and try it on a gullible sucker. It won't work on me.

BTW the US will only be so lucky as to see the economic growth and vigor of the Clinton years. I'll leave it you to predict the end of the world when some Americans are paying Clinton era tax rates. I don't engage in that kind of nonsense, I never have and I never will.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#46 Nov 22, 2012
eric wrote:
<quoted text>Im not making a big deal out of it,but, if Minn beats chicago and GB loses,Minn and GB are tied for 1st and going to face eachother at Lambeau the following week.Even if Minn beats Chi which i think will happen and GB beats NY,GB is a game up on Chicago and Minn. and the 2 face eachother the week later,so Minn is far from out of it and deserve credit for doing a very good job at improving from the shitty season they had last year,Sorry,i can give someone credit for a job well done.
Great. And IF the Vikings win the Super Bowl it will be a first! I'm well aware of all the "ifs" you can dream up. In the real world the Vikings are in 3rd place in the division and they face 5 more games against teams with winning records. You can proudly commend them for raising their division ranking from 4th to 3rd. And you can do it again at the end of the season for all I care. You can call it "giving credit" or any other phrase you want to use. I don't care about the Vikings and their minor little accomplishments. So sue me.
eric

Arpin, WI

#47 Nov 22, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Clinton left office with budget surpluses. So stop the foolish BS. The GOP was every bit as irrationally hateful of Clinton as Obama. America is no longer as stupid as the GOP would hope. That's all I care about. You can believe every single talking point and lie that the whackadoodles feed you. I don't need you to repeat them to me. I know what has happened. You can take your attempts to rewrite history and try it on a gullible sucker. It won't work on me.
BTW the US will only be so lucky as to see the economic growth and vigor of the Clinton years. I'll leave it you to predict the end of the world when some Americans are paying Clinton era tax rates. I don't engage in that kind of nonsense, I never have and I never will.
sYou do realize Clinton had a debt and a job loss in his first 2 years right? You realize thats why the GOP took both houses in the 94 elections right? Clinton benefited from the private sector, the same private sector thats taking a hit right now.Im sorry im using actual facts and,common sense and actually puts America first instead of the talking points and the blind faith to the party.I still noticed you avoid the question,so lets try it one more time, Explain to me how taxing small businesses and costing Americans hours or jobs will create jobs and or strengthen the economy.Since you love to kiss Clintons ass here,you do realize Clinton signed NAFTA and that has been a major factor in our manufacturing sector the past decade plus ( as Ross Perot called it would happen by the way).Have you also noticed 45-50 corporations cutting back on Jobs and hrs under 30 and Thousands of American workers taking hits in their paychecks the past week plus,so you call it talking points ect,Its actually called reality,so your moveon or your other talking points wont swing it here.
Reggie7-3

Elizabeth, NJ

#48 Nov 22, 2012
Eric wrote-" by the way NAFTA destroyed manufacturing ( like Ross Perot called in the 96 debate and guess who signed that one?_) George HW Bush wrote it out for the most part and William J Clinton signed it into law and as Ross Perot said,you put NAFTA into law,you wll flush the manufacturing sector down the toilet and he hit it perfectly,its gone to hell since"

Ok eric thank you thank you very much on what you just said.I was a machinist for 18 years of my life and was making excellent money at the time.My father owned his own machine shop with my uncle and my brother and i worked there also.When nafta was started the decline in manufacturing began a slow but steady decline and has been spiraling down ever since.Back in 1997 i have gotton out of that trade due to losing contracts to mexico and asian countries.My father was forced to close the business due to NAFTA.He couldnt afford to pay us anymore due to the lack of contracts we had left.I remember before NAFTA we had great paying contracts from NASA and the defense dept but after NAFTA hit, that was gone because our bidding was too high and the asians bidding was very low due to there pay scale.I know first hand all about NAFTA and it has pretty much killed the manufacturing industry in this country.So i totally agree 100 percent and if my dad was alive today he would too.I actually remember the day NAFTA WAS passed it was lunch time and all of us was sitting at a lunch table talking about it and my father stated this-"Now that NAFTA has passed the manufacturing industry in this country from now on will be ruined. You know what- here it is 2012- can you disagree with him???
Sorry this is a GB packer web forum and i dont like discussing politics here but what you stated i had to respond to it- again thanks!!
eric

Arpin, WI

#49 Nov 22, 2012
Unfortunately,as you know,its truth.NAFTA pretty much put the screws to manufacturing ( hopefully not for good but)and now we are seeing Jobs being eliminated or hrs being reduced to under 30 hrs now because of policies and to avoid fees or taxes associated with Obamacare and businesses trying to fit under and that is effecting thousands of American workers.It sucks and some cant accept actual facts or common sense and loves to act like arrogant pricks to people and bully them around with blind talking points but reality is reality and this is reality,businesses are cutting back now because of policies or the currents and hopefully we can reach an agreement to avoid the up coming fiscal cliff and the tax increases coming up as it will effect small businesses and effect many workers and or jobs
packerbacker-wic hita-ks

Wichita, KS

#50 Nov 23, 2012
eric wrote:
Ill say this,Minnesota is very much improved,Now, are they improved enough to beat GB? That remains to be seen but i dont think the Vikings have the firepower to beat GB yet,unless, Adrian Peterson goes off and GB has done a nice job of keeping AP at a reasonable rate of yards,You will never shut down AP but if you contain him,its a job well done and GB has done that for the most part.As for both of you jokers voting for Obama,well, Thousands of American workers have found their hrs being cut,demoted to PT from FT because of Obama and his shitty policies and when we are at a 18-20T debt and Hundreds of Thousands of Americans or more lose their jobs in the next 2 years,esp when Americans who know how to run an economy are warning of this happening,you can push it off on Bush,this is BO destructive policies doing this,Not Bush,Not Romney,Not conservatives,Not moderates,this is Obama's policies and folks are paying for it with hrs and jobs to cover obamacare and is class warfare of screwing those who produce to cover his ridiculous spending spree
The Vikings are improved and I don't think they are going away. Pretty descent defense and maybe the best running back in the league. Suspect at QB but if they make it to the playoffs with AP carrying the load they could be a team to reckon with. 2 of 3 teams from the North will be in the playoffs and it will probably come down to the last week of the season.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#51 Nov 23, 2012
packerbacker-wichita-ks wrote:
<quoted text>The Vikings are improved and I don't think they are going away. Pretty descent defense and maybe the best running back in the league. Suspect at QB but if they make it to the playoffs with AP carrying the load they could be a team to reckon with. 2 of 3 teams from the North will be in the playoffs and it will probably come down to the last week of the season.
I would say AD/AP is the best running back to ever play the game.
eric

Arpin, WI

#52 Nov 23, 2012
I would agree with that,although Jim Brown,Barry Sanders,OJ Simpson and Gale Sayers would have something to say about that,but, AP is def.among the best in history for sure!
eric

Arpin, WI

#53 Nov 23, 2012
packerbacker-wichita-ks wrote:
<quoted text>The Vikings are improved and I don't think they are going away. Pretty descent defense and maybe the best running back in the league. Suspect at QB but if they make it to the playoffs with AP carrying the load they could be a team to reckon with. 2 of 3 teams from the North will be in the playoffs and it will probably come down to the last week of the season.
Thats a great playoff type team.A team that plays defense and can run the ball and Minnesota has both.I think they are maybe a little suspect at WR.They lack that homerun hitter there IMO.Ponder is growing.Funny thing is GB and MInn face each other the last game of the season,so,Minnesota playoffs could be up for grabs ( quite possibly).Im very much lookng forward to chatting with you as the weekedn approaches and is here and or about the GB/NY game.NY was struggling going into the bye,lets see if the rest will help them out,especially coming out of the gate.GB is on a somewhat of a roll and see if they can keep the winning streak going.Minnesota is on both our tails here ( Chi and GB) so it should be interesting to see whats what,esp if GB beats NY and Minn beat Chi. and the 2 face each other the following week

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#54 Nov 23, 2012
eric wrote:
I would agree with that,although Jim Brown,Barry Sanders,OJ Simpson and Gale Sayers would have something to say about that,but, AP is def.among the best in history for sure!
Jim Brown did say if AD/AP continues like he is for a few more years he will be the best ever.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#55 Nov 23, 2012
eric wrote:
<quoted text>sYou do realize Clinton had a debt and a job loss in his first 2 years right? You realize thats why the GOP took both houses in the 94 elections right? Clinton benefited from the private sector, the same private sector thats taking a hit right now.Im sorry im using actual facts and,common sense and actually puts America first instead of the talking points and the blind faith to the party.I still noticed you avoid the question,so lets try it one more time, Explain to me how taxing small businesses and costing Americans hours or jobs will create jobs and or strengthen the economy.Since you love to kiss Clintons ass here,you do realize Clinton signed NAFTA and that has been a major factor in our manufacturing sector the past decade plus ( as Ross Perot called it would happen by the way).Have you also noticed 45-50 corporations cutting back on Jobs and hrs under 30 and Thousands of American workers taking hits in their paychecks the past week plus,so you call it talking points ect,Its actually called reality,so your moveon or your other talking points wont swing it here.
Yes, the Republicans made a mess of things prior to Clinton also. As always America turned to the Democrats to fix the mess created by the GOP. And as always it was a Democratic Administration that fixed things. America has once again turned to the obvious solution. As I previously pointed out you can continue the foolish hate campaigns against Clinton and Obama. I don't care. Everybody has heard the GOP propaganda and lies. America rejected those lies. Most people noticed exactly what has happened.

BTW I've given you an answer to your silly question MANY times. The economy was never better than under the Clinton era tax rates. That's my explanation! Your foolish assumption that businesses can't thrive under those tax rates has been PROVEN wrong by history! And I told you, I don't need you to repeat GOP propaganda to me. You can scream about NAFTA or any other number of things. The GOP lies won't work on me. BTW isn't free trade a Republican philosophy? You know, let the market decide! Personally, I would have preferred for Clinton to be more protective of union jobs. I'm glad to know you feel the same! But NAFTA didn't CAUSE the Bush Great Recession. Clinton's reach to the right with NAFTA probably didn't help any though. It just goes to show the Dems usually make a mistake by adopting GOP policies.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#56 Nov 23, 2012
eric wrote:
Unfortunately,as you know,its truth.NAFTA pretty much put the screws to manufacturing ( hopefully not for good but)and now we are seeing Jobs being eliminated or hrs being reduced to under 30 hrs now because of policies and to avoid fees or taxes associated with Obamacare and businesses trying to fit under and that is effecting thousands of American workers.It sucks and some cant accept actual facts or common sense and loves to act like arrogant pricks to people and bully them around with blind talking points but reality is reality and this is reality,businesses are cutting back now because of policies or the currents and hopefully we can reach an agreement to avoid the up coming fiscal cliff and the tax increases coming up as it will effect small businesses and effect many workers and or jobs
Do Republicans ever deal in reality? So you are saying the economic collapse under Bush was the result of NAFTA? Hmmm. I wonder why the GOP candidate didn't win. I bet he should have made that argument. ROFLMAO! As I said eric, I didn't like Romneycare. I certainly didn't like that Obama turned Romneycare into the law of the land. However, it produced it's goal of creating more people with health insurance in Massachusets. You can predict doom and gloom, despite a lack of evidence, when Romneycare goes into full effect nationwide. I hope you are right and America turns to the most sensible solution - a single payor system. Insurance mandates aren't the way I would fix the broken healthcare system in America, but it probably won't create the horrors that Republicans always seem to predict about any law passed by Democrats. Do you think Republicans were predicting the same kind of cataclysm when Romneycare became law in Massachusets?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#57 Nov 23, 2012
Reggie7-3 wrote:
Eric wrote-" by the way NAFTA destroyed manufacturing ( like Ross Perot called in the 96 debate and guess who signed that one?_) George HW Bush wrote it out for the most part and William J Clinton signed it into law and as Ross Perot said,you put NAFTA into law,you wll flush the manufacturing sector down the toilet and he hit it perfectly,its gone to hell since"
Ok eric thank you thank you very much on what you just said.I was a machinist for 18 years of my life and was making excellent money at the time.My father owned his own machine shop with my uncle and my brother and i worked there also.When nafta was started the decline in manufacturing began a slow but steady decline and has been spiraling down ever since.Back in 1997 i have gotton out of that trade due to losing contracts to mexico and asian countries.My father was forced to close the business due to NAFTA.He couldnt afford to pay us anymore due to the lack of contracts we had left.I remember before NAFTA we had great paying contracts from NASA and the defense dept but after NAFTA hit, that was gone because our bidding was too high and the asians bidding was very low due to there pay scale.I know first hand all about NAFTA and it has pretty much killed the manufacturing industry in this country.So i totally agree 100 percent and if my dad was alive today he would too.I actually remember the day NAFTA WAS passed it was lunch time and all of us was sitting at a lunch table talking about it and my father stated this-"Now that NAFTA has passed the manufacturing industry in this country from now on will be ruined. You know what- here it is 2012- can you disagree with him???
Sorry this is a GB packer web forum and i dont like discussing politics here but what you stated i had to respond to it- again thanks!!
Thank you for confirming what I said about Clinton adopting a Republican idea. As I said, it usually goes very poorly when Democrats allow Republican ideas to become law. I can only hope the Republican idea of Romneycare goes better than NAFTA.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#58 Nov 23, 2012
packerbacker-wichita-ks wrote:
<quoted text>The Vikings are improved and I don't think they are going away. Pretty descent defense and maybe the best running back in the league. Suspect at QB but if they make it to the playoffs with AP carrying the load they could be a team to reckon with. 2 of 3 teams from the North will be in the playoffs and it will probably come down to the last week of the season.
I remember when the Packers were always finishing last or second to last in the division. We had some VERY good players in those years. Unfortunately, we didn't enough. Are the Vikings any different?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#59 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
I would say AD/AP is the best running back to ever play the game.
Thank you for your obviously unbiased opinion. ROFLMAO! I hope belief in Peterson provides comfort when the Viking season ends in failure as always.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#60 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
Jim Brown did say if AD/AP continues like he is for a few more years he will be the best ever.
When and where? I would love to hear Jim Brown say that. Every time I've ever seen Jim Brown, it's pretty clear that Jim Brown is a big fan of Jim Brown. Don't get me wrong. Jim was great, and I don't want to see false modesty from any athlete. However, Jim isn't usually very lavish with his praise about other running backs.

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