What Must Ponder Do in 2013?

What Must Ponder Do in 2013?

There are 421 comments on the The Daily Norseman story from May 11, 2013, titled What Must Ponder Do in 2013?. In it, The Daily Norseman reports that:

It's not a controversial statement to say that Christian Ponder had an up and down 2012 season.

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viking nation

Madera, CA

#123 May 21, 2013
I think Ponders short game is as good as any QB playing his rating of 91% with passes 1to 19 yards & 85% rating of passes of 11-20 yards is incredible. The NFL stat book considers a pass of 20 yards or more a deep pass so when you look at QBs stats that had most success throwing deep the numbers don't show the number of passses that that was only 20 yards. this here is a pretty cool site I think everyone will like...https://www.profootball focus.com/about/pff-signature- stats/#DeepPassing
viking nation

Madera, CA

#124 May 21, 2013
viking nation

Madera, CA

#125 May 21, 2013
Here is a story I seen on Patterson looking good in practices http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/vie...
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#126 May 22, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
<quoted text>In youre previous statement you said that he cant throw the deep ball.Now its not very often.Next year with Jennings and Wright,Simpson and Patterson it will be more often.Ive always heard it takes three years to evaluate a player so lets see where we are after this year.You omit the good things he did.I dont see him as Alex Smith.Ponder is pretty mobile when he takes off.As we been trying to tell you we really didnt have the recievers to get separation for the long shot and Wright was a rookie so it took him a couple games to get in the groove.I will say this for you,Ponder will probably never put up the numbers Rodgers has because most teams play a more balanced offense.And I dont really believe the leaugue is turning into a passing league cause I see more and more teams trying to establish the run.That and the running quarterbacks.
You better let the Andrew Luck and RG3 fans know they are not allowed to evaluate their guys for at least 2 more years. ROFLMAO

I will let you in on a secret. The people that follow the NFL have already evaluated Christian Ponder and he isn't ranked anywhere near the top NFL QB.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#127 May 22, 2013
viking nation wrote:
I think up to now Ponder hasn't had the personnel to throw deep. Ponder has shown to at least be good in the short to intermediate passing game. Ponder has a 91 rating in 1-10 yards and a 85 rating in 11-20 yards. That is the Vikings passing game right now, and until now they didn't have a legit WR who can get open 20+ yards down field, You cant run an offense if you dont have the personnel to run.
Isn't it odd how the Broncos didn't have the personnel to throw the football when Tim Tebow was QB, but suddenly they had the personnel the next season? Weirder yet was the Colts. Remember how the receivers weren't so good the year between Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Strange coincidence, huh?

You can fool yourself if you wish, but Christian Ponder is what he is. Good receivers can only do so much. They can't turn a poor QB into a good one and they can't make a QB great. On the other hand, a good running back can give average to poor QBs decent QB ratings, despite the inability to throw deep. Look at Alex Smith and Christian Ponder. Be grateful you have Adrian Peterson. He helps Ponder more than any receiver will.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#128 May 22, 2013
viking nation wrote:
I think Ponders short game is as good as any QB playing his rating of 91% with passes 1to 19 yards & 85% rating of passes of 11-20 yards is incredible. The NFL stat book considers a pass of 20 yards or more a deep pass so when you look at QBs stats that had most success throwing deep the numbers don't show the number of passses that that was only 20 yards. this here is a pretty cool site I think everyone will like...https://www.profootball focus.com/about/pff-signature- stats/#DeepPassing
As I said, it's the abilty to throw deep that seperates QBs. Any QB that can't throw short doesn't even belong on an NFL bench.
eric

Monroe, WI

#129 May 22, 2013
A QB can make WR better..So, how truly good is Greg Jennings?
He had Brett, then he had Aaron,,Now he has Christian.

I believe Ponder is or will be a very good qb in this league.Elite? I doubt that one,but, a good/very good qb and with a good supporting cast,that should be enough.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#130 May 22, 2013
eric wrote:
A QB can make WR better..So, how truly good is Greg Jennings?
He had Brett, then he had Aaron,,Now he has Christian.
I believe Ponder is or will be a very good qb in this league.Elite? I doubt that one,but, a good/very good qb and with a good supporting cast,that should be enough.
Of course a QB can make receivers better. THAT WAS MY POINT! Manning makes his receivers better. Rodgers makes his better. All of the great QBs make their receivers better. Yet receiverss go to the Vkings and they don't do better. Gee. I wonder why? Duh!

And I agree that Ponder may end up good "enough" because football is a TEAM game. A team doesn't need the best, or even a top QB. Ponder will provbably never be a top QB. He certainly isn't anywhere close right now. I've never said Ponder won't be good enoughg. I've said the opposite of that by pointing out that it is complete foolishness for some Viking fans to think he needs to be a top QB. He is what he is. Heck, the Packers have positions where they aren't among the top in the league. Does that mean it is impossible to win a championship? Everyone of the Packers record 13 world championships came in years in which the team had deficiencies. EVERY team has deficiencies. QB is one for the Vikings. People can pretend that they don't. The only thing they accomplish is to fool themselves. There is a perfectly good reason the name Christian Ponder never is mentioned when people discuss the NFL's top QBs.
eric

Monroe, WI

#131 May 22, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course a QB can make receivers better. THAT WAS MY POINT! Manning makes his receivers better. Rodgers makes his better. All of the great QBs make their receivers better. Yet receiverss go to the Vkings and they don't do better. Gee. I wonder why? Duh!
And I agree that Ponder may end up good "enough" because football is a TEAM game. A team doesn't need the best, or even a top QB. Ponder will provbably never be a top QB. He certainly isn't anywhere close right now. I've never said Ponder won't be good enoughg. I've said the opposite of that by pointing out that it is complete foolishness for some Viking fans to think he needs to be a top QB. He is what he is. Heck, the Packers have positions where they aren't among the top in the league. Does that mean it is impossible to win a championship? Everyone of the Packers record 13 world championships came in years in which the team had deficiencies. EVERY team has deficiencies. QB is one for the Vikings. People can pretend that they don't. The only thing they accomplish is to fool themselves. There is a perfectly good reason the name Christian Ponder never is mentioned when people discuss the NFL's top QBs.
I was taking off on what you said but not directing it directly at you. We all know Greg had 2 HOF qb,now he has Ponder,SO,will he produce like he has been? Maybe this may be a case of a WR making the qb better,or Gregs production drops as he doesnt have the help ( at QB or supporting cast).Minnesota doenst have as good of a qb, not nearly as deep at WR either.They have the RB obviously but contain AP and we seen what happens to Minn. offense,SO, Hense trading 4 picks for the WR from Tennessee and signing Jennings.Will it be enough? we will see soon enough.
Minn won 13 games and lost in the NFC title game ( 1st year BF),then BF last year they won 3 or 4,BF was gone,Ponder took over and they won 3 of 4 then last years 10,SO 1 way they made a real nice leap and should be proud of that first step,but, on the other side.They will not surprise anyone,AP runs for 2K yards again? who knows,thats a tough season to copy
viking nation

Madera, CA

#132 May 22, 2013
Really the reason the vikings traded 4 draft picks for Patterson is they didn't have the Cap money to sign 11 rookies that was in them later rounds for a reason so it was not only cheaper it was a smart move because they got a player that for sure is a play maker on kickoffs & run plays that Harvin did for the vikes, his hands & speed are a bonus so the vikes have time to develop his route running & getting familiar with the play book but from what I was reading on Patterson he has looked good in practice.
GBPmies

Finland

#133 May 22, 2013
viking nation wrote:
Really the reason the vikings traded 4 draft picks for Patterson is they didn't have the Cap money to sign 11 rookies that was in them later rounds for a reason so it was not only cheaper it was a smart move because they got a player that for sure is a play maker on kickoffs & run plays that Harvin did for the vikes, his hands & speed are a bonus so the vikes have time to develop his route running & getting familiar with the play book but from what I was reading on Patterson he has looked good in practice.
Horse hocky! How much did they save by signing CP instead of what they gave up? In numbers. How much did the vikings have to spend on draft picks?
Break it down fella, give some numbers.

I have my doubts this was a cap numbers game.

btw
his hands? really? they are a bonus? I heard they are not so good.

You read he looks good? Have you ever read anyone looks bad this time of year?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#134 May 22, 2013
eric wrote:
<quoted text>I was taking off on what you said but not directing it directly at you. We all know Greg had 2 HOF qb,now he has Ponder,SO,will he produce like he has been? Maybe this may be a case of a WR making the qb better,or Gregs production drops as he doesnt have the help ( at QB or supporting cast).Minnesota doenst have as good of a qb, not nearly as deep at WR either.They have the RB obviously but contain AP and we seen what happens to Minn. offense,SO, Hense trading 4 picks for the WR from Tennessee and signing Jennings.Will it be enough? we will see soon enough.
Minn won 13 games and lost in the NFC title game ( 1st year BF),then BF last year they won 3 or 4,BF was gone,Ponder took over and they won 3 of 4 then last years 10,SO 1 way they made a real nice leap and should be proud of that first step,but, on the other side.They will not surprise anyone,AP runs for 2K yards again? who knows,thats a tough season to copy
I certainly believe that improving the WR position should be a top priority for the Vikings, and they may have. It remains to be seen how the loss of Harvin will affect them. However, the people that think WRs can turn Ponder into a great QB don't understand football. QBs make receivers better more than visa versa. Ponder could certainly continue to develop but there is nothing to suggest that he could or would make a sudden huge improvement. At best, if it happens at all, it will continue to be a slow process.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#135 May 22, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
Horse hocky! How much did they save by signing CP instead of what they gave up? In numbers. How much did the vikings have to spend on draft picks?
Break it down fella, give some numbers.
I have my doubts this was a cap numbers game.
btw
his hands? really? they are a bonus? I heard they are not so good.
You read he looks good? Have you ever read anyone looks bad this time of year?
Yeah. Everybody looks good. McCarthy was raving about the rookie camp. Big deal. Unless and until they can perform well against NFL starters who cares?
viking nation

Madera, CA

#136 May 22, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
Horse hocky! How much did they save by signing CP instead of what they gave up? In numbers. How much did the vikings have to spend on draft picks?
Break it down fella, give some numbers.
I have my doubts this was a cap numbers game.
btw
his hands? really? they are a bonus? I heard they are not so good.
You read he looks good? Have you ever read anyone looks bad this time of year?
I think everyone here knows the rookie wage scale has had drastic cuts.
Starting in the second round, rookie contracts are set in stone as four-year deals with no wiggle room. However, first-round picks are in a somewhat unique situation.

The rookie wage scale allows for teams to add a fifth year to the contracts of first-round selections if they so choose..Its stand to reason if a team is signing a players that was the 29th pick overall in the draft, that player isn't going to be in the same pay scale as the first pick or the tenth right? his play scale is going to near the player that was selected in the second round wouldn't we agree to that? So that being take the pay of a second third, fourth & seventh round picks & it surely adds to more then what vikes will give Patterson.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#137 May 22, 2013
eric wrote:
<quoted text>I was taking off on what you said but not directing it directly at you. We all know Greg had 2 HOF qb,now he has Ponder,SO,will he produce like he has been? Maybe this may be a case of a WR making the qb better,or Gregs production drops as he doesnt have the help ( at QB or supporting cast).Minnesota doenst have as good of a qb, not nearly as deep at WR either.They have the RB obviously but contain AP and we seen what happens to Minn. offense,SO, Hense trading 4 picks for the WR from Tennessee and signing Jennings.Will it be enough? we will see soon enough.
Minn won 13 games and lost in the NFC title game ( 1st year BF),then BF last year they won 3 or 4,BF was gone,Ponder took over and they won 3 of 4 then last years 10,SO 1 way they made a real nice leap and should be proud of that first step,but, on the other side.They will not surprise anyone,AP runs for 2K yards again? who knows,thats a tough season to copy
Hey Eric why dont you share with everybody who the depth at wide reciever is you have.Behind Nelson,Cobb and Jones you got three undrafted players in which the most experienced has 27 yards.After that its two seventh rounders that havent played in the nfl at all.Our 7th round pick from 2011 draft has 73 yards and 1 touchdown.So you do not have more depth at WR.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#138 May 22, 2013
The Vikes was low on Cap money they had 11 draft picks with the cap to sign 7 so using them four picks to get a first round player how can anyone say this was a bad move? so Patterson is raw his overall talent shadows what has to be learned. If anything we vikings fans should be saying didn't the Packers draft a DE this year & didn't they in 2012 I guess last years pick wasn't the player they hoped he would be. Do you think this one will pan out.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#139 May 22, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Eric why dont you share with everybody who the depth at wide reciever is you have.Behind Nelson,Cobb and Jones you got three undrafted players in which the most experienced has 27 yards.After that its two seventh rounders that havent played in the nfl at all.Our 7th round pick from 2011 draft has 73 yards and 1 touchdown.So you do not have more depth at WR.
lol & no backup QB that played a full game

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#140 May 22, 2013
It was no mistake the Vikings took Patterson.They put allot of research into it.He was the guy we had targeted.Our recievers coach flat out told Patterson if he was still there we were taking him.Then Floyd came along thats what rocked the boat.He was to good to pass on.So it wasnt just on a whim.After landing Floyd we were going to try to move up in the second round to try to get Patterson but in the process New England offered the trade and we jumped on it.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#141 May 22, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said, it's the abilty to throw deep that seperates QBs. Any QB that can't throw short doesn't even belong on an NFL bench.
Joe Montana is one of the greatest QB's of all time.The reason he slipped till the third round in the draft was because many scouts questioned his arm strength. like they do Ponder's. Joe Montana was so great because he was one of the most accurate QB's to ever play the game not because he had one of the strongest arms & the same goes for Tom Brady he is not a strong arm QB. What really separates the great QBs from others isn't their ability to thorw the deep ball, " it's their visual awareness of the field." In the west coast offense all one got to do is make short throws and the occasional play-action deep ball. That offense doesn't require you to thread the needle against elaborate and thick down-field coverages which would require a lot of arm strength. Throwing the deep ball wasn't a strength of Montana's & with Ponders short throw accuracy ( & you see the his stats above ) he like Montana doesn't need throwing power to take his team to a super bowl.
Packer Backer WichitaKs

Wichita, KS

#142 May 23, 2013
viking nation wrote:
<quoted text>Joe Montana is one of the greatest QB's of all time.The reason he slipped till the third round in the draft was because many scouts questioned his arm strength. like they do Ponder's. Joe Montana was so great because he was one of the most accurate QB's to ever play the game not because he had one of the strongest arms & the same goes for Tom Brady he is not a strong arm QB. What really separates the great QBs from others isn't their ability to thorw the deep ball, " it's their visual awareness of the field." In the west coast offense all one got to do is make short throws and the occasional play-action deep ball. That offense doesn't require you to thread the needle against elaborate and thick down-field coverages which would require a lot of arm strength. Throwing the deep ball wasn't a strength of Montana's & with Ponders short throw accuracy ( & you see the his stats above ) he like Montana doesn't need throwing power to take his team to a super bowl.
Keep in mind that Montana and Brady had pretty good teams surrounding them. As GBPfan says it is a TEAM game. Can Ponder and the Vikings say the same, that they have a good team surrounding him? We'll see.

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