Jesus & the Consumption of Pork

Jesus & the Consumption of Pork

There are 2384 comments on the www.readingislam.com story from May 22, 2009, titled Jesus & the Consumption of Pork. In it, www.readingislam.com reports that:

As the swine flu outbreak continues spreading, some people blame Christianity for this, my question is did prophet Jesus command the people to eat pig meat? Where does the idea of eating pork come from?

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#1 May 22, 2009
Did Jesus (peace be upon him) eat pork? What a great question - I highly doubt it!

Good article this. Very interesting to understand what is an authentic tradition in Christianity compared to the modern day version.

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#2 May 22, 2009
I liked the below parts of the article:

"Why do Christians eat pork, if they believe that their religion grew out of the Jewish one, which forbids it? To this day, Jews do not eat pork.

Jesus, in fact, is quoted as saying in Saint Matthew's Gospel, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."

So, you see, it was not Jesus who changed the rule about eating pork. The answer, in fact, lies not with Jesus, but with the Church which grew up after him and claimed to speak in his name.

A meeting was held in Jerusalem to discuss this. It was much more important than a debate about circumcision, since its results would determine the future of those who followed Jesus. In that meeting, Paul of Tarsus said that there was no longer any need for those new to Christianity to observe the Mosaic Law and become Jews, since Christianity was something different to Judaism. Laws particular to the Jews would no longer need to apply.

These leaders would ultimately declare, three hundred years later, that Jesus was God."

Liked the web design, and writing of the commentator also.
Skeptic

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#4 May 23, 2009
Passers by wrote:
I liked the below parts of the article:
"Why do Christians eat pork, if they believe that their religion grew out of the Jewish one, which forbids it? To this day, Jews do not eat pork.
Jesus, in fact, is quoted as saying in Saint Matthew's Gospel, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."
So, you see, it was not Jesus who changed the rule about eating pork. The answer, in fact, lies not with Jesus, but with the Church which grew up after him and claimed to speak in his name.
A meeting was held in Jerusalem to discuss this. It was much more important than a debate about circumcision, since its results would determine the future of those who followed Jesus. In that meeting, Paul of Tarsus said that there was no longer any need for those new to Christianity to observe the Mosaic Law and become Jews, since Christianity was something different to Judaism. Laws particular to the Jews would no longer need to apply.
These leaders would ultimately declare, three hundred years later, that Jesus was God."
Liked the web design, and writing of the commentator also.
Muslim, your ignorance is typical and trememdous. The Laws were incomplete, so Jesus came to fullfil them. Jesus also said, "Are you so ignorant? Don't you know that nothing that goes into a person from the outside can make him unclean? Because it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and is expelled as waste." By this statement By this He declared all foods clean.

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#5 May 23, 2009
Skeptic wrote:
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Muslim, your ignorance is typical and trememdous. The Laws were incomplete, so Jesus came to fullfil them. Jesus also said, "Are you so ignorant? Don't you know that nothing that goes into a person from the outside can make him unclean? Because it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and is expelled as waste." By this statement By this He declared all foods clean.
Muslims just can't handle the fact that everyone else in the world is free to eat what they want. Sort of like 'misery loves company'.

;D

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#6 May 23, 2009
Muslims spend their time attempting to undermine a faith that they know nothing of. Yet, they claim that Muhammad was the last prophet. Islam and Christianity are not part of the same faith. Islam copied Judaism and Christianity, but it is certainly not a furtherance of either one.

I find it flattering that Muhammad chose our faith to copy many tenants from; but he is a false prophet. He is the fulfillment of his own desires and beliefs...not God's.

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#7 May 23, 2009
Skeptic wrote:
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Muslim, your ignorance is typical and trememdous. The Laws were incomplete, so Jesus came to fullfil them. Jesus also said, "Are you so ignorant? Don't you know that nothing that goes into a person from the outside can make him unclean? Because it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and is expelled as waste." By this statement By this He declared all foods clean.
Christian, your ignorance is typical and tremendous. The Laws were given to be followed FOR EVER. Jesus "fulfilled" the law by going to Jeruslaem for Passover, as the law decreed. Had he lived, he would have had to repeat this observance again in the next year, for as long as he lived.
Psalm 111:2 The works of the LORD [are] great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.[3] His work [is] honorable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth for ever.[4] He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: the LORD [is] gracious and full of compassion.[5] He hath given meat unto them that fear him: He will ever be mindful of His covenant.[6] He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that He may give them the heritage of the heathen.[7] The works of his hands [are] verity and judgment; all His commandments [are] sure.[8] They stand fast for ever and ever,[and are] done in truth and uprightness.[9] He sent redemption unto his people: He hath commanded His covenant for ever: holy and reverend [is] His name.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

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#8 May 23, 2009
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian, your ignorance is typical and tremendous. The Laws were given to be followed FOR EVER. Jesus "fulfilled" the law by going to Jeruslaem for Passover, as the law decreed. Had he lived, he would have had to repeat this observance again in the next year, for as long as he lived.
Psalm 111:2 The works of the LORD [are] great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.[3] His work [is] honorable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth for ever.[4] He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: the LORD [is] gracious and full of compassion.[5] He hath given meat unto them that fear him: He will ever be mindful of His covenant.[6] He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that He may give them the heritage of the heathen.[7] The works of his hands [are] verity and judgment; all His commandments [are] sure.[8] They stand fast for ever and ever,[and are] done in truth and uprightness.[9] He sent redemption unto his people: He hath commanded His covenant for ever: holy and reverend [is] His name.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Then why aren't Jew observing the whole law?

Moreover, God's covenant and the law was established for the Israelites/Jews, not gentiles. You do not even believe in Yeshua though you contend that He can amend God's covenant with the Israelites to include gentiles. What hypocrisy is this?! Further, according to Jeremiah, God intended to make a New covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

(Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version))

Upon Jesus' death, the new covenant Jeremiah spoke of was established. I say this knowing that you will undoubtedly disagree, however, nevertheless, this is the view of mainstream Christianity.

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#9 May 23, 2009
Disciple wrote:
Muslims spend their time attempting to undermine a faith that they know nothing of. Yet, they claim that Muhammad was the last prophet. Islam and Christianity are not part of the same faith. Islam copied Judaism and Christianity, but it is certainly not a furtherance of either one.
I find it flattering that Muhammad chose our faith to copy many tenants from; but he is a false prophet. He is the fulfillment of his own desires and beliefs...not God's.
Islam is not like Judaism or Christianity. It is anathema to both.

Muslims do try to steal Hebrew scripture and apply it to Mohammad, such as Deuteronomy 18:18. But we know Mohammad could not possibly be that prophet Moses wrote about in Deut 18:18 because he was not a "brethren" of the Iraelites, which was a requirement of this prophet.

Moreover, "Ishmael wasnít one of the progenitors of Jacob, who became known as Israel, the name by which his descendants were called, nor was he part of the covenant blessing", as Abraham made this clear in Genesis 17:15-21, wherein he says:
"Then God said to Abraham, As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.ĎI will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her.í Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, "Will a child be born to a man one hundred years old? And will Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?í And Abraham said to God,ĎOh that Ishmael might live before You!í BUT GOD SAID,'NO, BUT SARAH YOUR WIFE WILL BEAR YOU A SON, AND YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME ISAAC; AND I WILL ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH HIM FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT FOR HIS DESCENDANTS AFTER HIM. As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. BUT MY COVENANT I WILL ESTABLISH WITH ISAAC, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year.í" Genesis 17:15-21
Notice that God said the Covenant would NOT be established with Ishmael and his decedents, but rather with Abrahamís son, Isaac, and his grandson, Jacob, who was renamed Israel, and his descendants. Though Ishmael was to be blessed by God, he nevertheless would have no part in God's covenant with the Israelites. Now, Jacob was renamed ISRAEL. Thus this is where the term ISRAELITE comes from and the Bible states that Jacob's descendants were the ISRAELITES.

Therefore, when the Quran claims that Mohammad, as a decedent of Abraham through Ishmael, can claim to be a prophet, THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. Further, there is not one instance in the entire Bible where a decedent of Ishmael is referred to as brethren, which is what Mohammad claimed to be. Upon this basis, Muslims blatantly lie about Deuteronomy 18:18, insofar as they claim it to be a prophecy about Mohammad. The fact is that it is impossible for Mohammad to be a prophet.

Oh well, so much for Mohammad's claim to be a prophet based on the Hebrew Bible. LOL!

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#10 May 23, 2009
Xcaliber wrote:
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Then why aren't Jew observing the whole law?

Hmm, Reform and Conservative Jews observe the law as best they are able, Orthodox strive to observe all of the law as appropriate. Obviously, they cannot make sacrifices in the Temple when the Temple is not standing...
Xcaliber wrote:
Moreover, God's covenant and the law was established for the Israelites/Jews, not gentiles.

Correct. According to Messianic prophecy, once the Messiah comes, many will follow the Jews back to Jeruslaem so they too can worship the God of the Bible.
Xcaliber wrote:
You do not even believe in Yeshua though you contend that He can amend God's covenant with the Israelites to include gentiles.

Wrong! I have never said anything of the sort. Jesus was nothing more that a wandering Jewish preacher.
Xcaliber wrote:
What hypocrisy is this?! Further, according to Jeremiah, God intended to make a New covenant:
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Read that again. It clearly says that the God of the Bible will establish a new covenant with the kingdoms of Israel and Judah - no mention in there of the gentiles. Probably a better translation would be to say "... I will REestablish the Covenant..." since the covenant will not be in any way "new" but will reaffirm the covenant of old.
Xcaliber wrote:
(Jeremiah 31:31-34 (King James Version))
Upon Jesus' death, the new covenant Jeremiah spoke of was established. I say this knowing that you will undoubtedly disagree, however, nevertheless, this is the view of mainstream Christianity.
Christianity is wrong.

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#11 May 23, 2009
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam is not like Judaism or Christianity. It is anathema to both.
Muslims do try to steal Hebrew scripture and apply it to Mohammad, such as Deuteronomy 18:18. But we know Mohammad could not possibly be that prophet Moses wrote about in Deut 18:18 because he was not a "brethren" of the Iraelites, which was a requirement of this prophet.
Moreover, "Ishmael wasnít one of the progenitors of Jacob, who became known as Israel, the name by which his descendants were called, nor was he part of the covenant blessing", as Abraham made this clear in Genesis 17:15-21, wherein he says:
<quoted text>
Notice that God said the Covenant would NOT be established with Ishmael and his decedents, but rather with Abrahamís son, Isaac, and his grandson, Jacob, who was renamed Israel, and his descendants. Though Ishmael was to be blessed by God, he nevertheless would have no part in God's covenant with the Israelites. Now, Jacob was renamed ISRAEL. Thus this is where the term ISRAELITE comes from and the Bible states that Jacob's descendants were the ISRAELITES.
Therefore, when the Quran claims that Mohammad, as a decedent of Abraham through Ishmael, can claim to be a prophet, THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. Further, there is not one instance in the entire Bible where a decedent of Ishmael is referred to as brethren, which is what Mohammad claimed to be. Upon this basis, Muslims blatantly lie about Deuteronomy 18:18, insofar as they claim it to be a prophecy about Mohammad. The fact is that it is impossible for Mohammad to be a prophet.
Oh well, so much for Mohammad's claim to be a prophet based on the Hebrew Bible. LOL!
Thanks for the post! In all the time I have debated against Islam, I had overlooked that info.
debunker

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#12 May 23, 2009
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Christian, your ignorance is typical and tremendous. The Laws were given to be followed FOR EVER. Jesus "fulfilled" the law by going to Jeruslaem for Passover, as the law decreed. Had he lived, he would have had to repeat this observance again in the next year, for as long as he lived.
Psalm 111:2 The works of the LORD [are] great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein.[3] His work [is] honorable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth for ever.[4] He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: the LORD [is] gracious and full of compassion.[5] He hath given meat unto them that fear him: He will ever be mindful of His covenant.[6] He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that He may give them the heritage of the heathen.[7] The works of his hands [are] verity and judgment; all His commandments [are] sure.[8] They stand fast for ever and ever,[and are] done in truth and uprightness.[9] He sent redemption unto his people: He hath commanded His covenant for ever: holy and reverend [is] His name.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
so you are saying adside from the 10 commandments, we are to keep the other 614 commandments given the jews
debunker

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#13 May 23, 2009
Xcaliber wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam is not like Judaism or Christianity. It is anathema to both.
Muslims do try to steal Hebrew scripture and apply it to Mohammad, such as Deuteronomy 18:18. But we know Mohammad could not possibly be that prophet Moses wrote about in Deut 18:18 because he was not a "brethren" of the Iraelites, which was a requirement of this prophet.
Moreover, "Ishmael wasnít one of the progenitors of Jacob, who became known as Israel, the name by which his descendants were called, nor was he part of the covenant blessing", as Abraham made this clear in Genesis 17:15-21, wherein he says:
<quoted text>
Notice that God said the Covenant would NOT be established with Ishmael and his decedents, but rather with Abrahamís son, Isaac, and his grandson, Jacob, who was renamed Israel, and his descendants. Though Ishmael was to be blessed by God, he nevertheless would have no part in God's covenant with the Israelites. Now, Jacob was renamed ISRAEL. Thus this is where the term ISRAELITE comes from and the Bible states that Jacob's descendants were the ISRAELITES.
Therefore, when the Quran claims that Mohammad, as a decedent of Abraham through Ishmael, can claim to be a prophet, THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. Further, there is not one instance in the entire Bible where a decedent of Ishmael is referred to as brethren, which is what Mohammad claimed to be. Upon this basis, Muslims blatantly lie about Deuteronomy 18:18, insofar as they claim it to be a prophecy about Mohammad. The fact is that it is impossible for Mohammad to be a prophet.
Oh well, so much for Mohammad's claim to be a prophet based on the Hebrew Bible. LOL!
duet 18: 18 if taken pout of context along with 15

they sat 15 points to christ & 18 points to mohammud, however it is simply a case of this: they leaving out the meaning of the inner verses, which refer to an early incident in which the people said to moses, you be our go-between, we don't want to die due to the lord's presence.

essentially, deut 18; 15-18 are 2 references to the same person, christ.

it's amazing that islam won't accept the bible because it is 'corrupted' but don't hesitate to quote it out of context if it suits their purpose.
debunker

United States

#14 May 23, 2009
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Read that again. It clearly says that the God of the Bible will establish a new covenant with the kingdoms of Israel and Judah - no mention in there of the gentiles. Probably a better translation would be to say "... I will REestablish the Covenant..." since the covenant will not be in any way "new" but will reaffirm the covenant of old.
<quoted text>
Christianity is wrong.
verses please.
YWN

Tulsa, OK

#17 May 23, 2009
TEST-UP

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#18 May 24, 2009
debunker wrote:
<quoted text>so you are saying adside from the 10 commandments, we are to keep the other 614 commandments given the jews
Sort of. Some of those commandments apply only to women, some only to priests, some only to lepers, etc, etc, etc. Also, they apply ONLY if you are one of the children of Israel, or you have converted to worship the God of the Bible. But, iunder either of those circumstances, you are required to obey ALL of the appropriate commandments and laws.

If you are a Gentile and you live in the lands of Zion, then you are responsible for obeying the 7 Noahide laws, but not any of the others.

If you are a Gentile and not living in the lands given to Abraham and his decendants, then none of the commandments of the Bible apply, as such. Of course, all societies have laws prohibiting things like murder, theft, rape, assault, etc, etc, etc.

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#19 May 24, 2009
debunker wrote:
<quoted text>verses please.
For like the third or forth time...
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
NOTE:
>>I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah<<
Not with just anyone who strolls by, but specifically with the houses of Israel and Judah.

>>33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.<<
The ONLY difference here is that the laws of Moses will be written in men's hearts. It is the same law, the same covenant as before, but now men will know it without ever needing to study it

>>34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.<<
Knowing the Law, they will know the God of the Bible, and they will be free of sin.
debunker

United States

#20 May 24, 2009
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Sort of. Some of those commandments apply only to women, some only to priests, some only to lepers, etc, etc, etc. Also, they apply ONLY if you are one of the children of Israel, or you have converted to worship the God of the Bible. But, iunder either of those circumstances, you are required to obey ALL of the appropriate commandments and laws.
If you are a Gentile and you live in the lands of Zion, then you are responsible for obeying the 7 Noahide laws, but not any of the others.
If you are a Gentile and not living in the lands given to Abraham and his decendants, then none of the commandments of the Bible apply, as such. Of course, all societies have laws prohibiting things like murder, theft, rape, assault, etc, etc, etc.
just wanted to see if you knew what you were talking about

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#21 May 24, 2009
debunker wrote:
<quoted text>just wanted to see if you knew what you were talking about
Always do...
;)
Truth

Mexico

#22 May 24, 2009
(Matt 23:34 [KJV])
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

(Matt 23:35 [KJV])
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

(Matt 23:36 [KJV])
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

(Matt 23:37 [KJV])
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,[thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!

(Matt 23:38 [KJV])
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

(Matt 23:39 [KJV])
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Praise Yeshua Lord of Hosts!
Sarah

UAE

#23 May 25, 2009
I hate when Christian bastards talk in filthy envious way about the most beloved prophet of God Mohammad (peace be upon him) the last Messenger of God .Itís not your wishes or opinions which decide if he a prophet or not a prophet, itís God. This matter was decided 1500 years ago before your pagan ancestors get converted to the pagan edition of Christianity or Judaism. Islamic faith and Christian faith have nothing in common.

Islam is such a strong, warm, alive, energetic religion while Christianity is cold and dull ,yet cruel and intolerant.

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