Mormons carry a few more pounds

Mormons carry a few more pounds

There are 318 comments on the Salt Lake Tribune story from Feb 22, 2006, titled Mormons carry a few more pounds. In it, Salt Lake Tribune reports that:

Could being Mormon mean you pack on more pounds than atheists, agnostics or people of other religions? Yes, according to Brigham Young University science professor Ray Merrill.

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“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#302 Mar 18, 2009
proudearthling wrote:
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I was replying to the following quote when I asked for scriptural proof that Jesus drank wine:
randi wrote:
<quoted text>...Also, Jesus drank wine people, it doesn't say in the Bible he drank grape juice, he drank aged wine. One glass at a meal. Not enough to get drunk! Read the Bible!!! It's the truth!!!...
I'm not saying he did or didn't. All I'm saying is that there is no proof that he did. The commenter above implies that I can read the Bible to find out if he did or did not drink wine.
Would it be "childish" to think that Jesus went his entire life and never got married? After all everyone back then got married. That is the logic you are using concerning his drinking of wine.
no, a marriage is a highly public event. Records are recorded, ceremonies endured, it is vastly different than merely picking up a cup and drinking it's contents. The poster is correct that you are replying to, you can read the bible to find out if Jesus drank wine if that is what the scripture said.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#303 Mar 18, 2009
Hannah Rebekah wrote:
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I think you are right on all accounts. We just don't know about others and what they have don't in their lives. There is no way to know if Jesus did or didn't drink wine or to what degree if he did. That is why we are told not to judge others. Joseph Smith drank, and they used tobacco. The Word of Wisdom was given to Joseph Smith but it wasn't until later after the Saints were settled in Utah that they took it more serious. There are many Mormons who are put off to learn that Joseph Smith drank and don't want to believe it. To me, I see no problem with it. The Church is progressive and there will be changes as times change.
It would surprise me if Joseph Smith DID'NT drink. People did'nt have a lot of beverage options until fairly recently in human history, alcohol by far has been the easiest to keep and store.

“Earth, Love It Or Leave It”

Since: Oct 08

Indian Rocks Beach, FL

#304 Mar 19, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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no, a marriage is a highly public event. Records are recorded, ceremonies endured, it is vastly different than merely picking up a cup and drinking it's contents. The poster is correct that you are replying to, you can read the bible to find out if Jesus drank wine if that is what the scripture said.
Okay, where in the Bible can I find out if Jesus drank wine?

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#305 Mar 20, 2009
proudearthling wrote:
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Okay, where in the Bible can I find out if Jesus drank wine?
I don't know. I'd ask a priest, pastor, reverend, etc.

“Earth, Love It Or Leave It”

Since: Oct 08

Indian Rocks Beach, FL

#306 Mar 20, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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I don't know. I'd ask a priest, pastor, reverend, etc.
I'm mostly sure that you will not find any proof of Jesus drinking wine by looking to the Bible.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search...

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#307 Mar 21, 2009
proudearthling wrote:
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I'm mostly sure that you will not find any proof of Jesus drinking wine by looking to the Bible.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search...
I'm not sure there is concrete evidence to support either arguement. I think it's all in how you translate it. As for myself I don't think Jesus drank fermented wine.

“Earth, Love It Or Leave It”

Since: Oct 08

Indian Rocks Beach, FL

#308 Mar 21, 2009
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure there is concrete evidence to support either arguement. I think it's all in how you translate it. As for myself I don't think Jesus drank fermented wine.
I agree that the Bible does not give proof of Jesus drinking wine or not drinking wine.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#309 Mar 22, 2009
proudearthling wrote:
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I'm mostly sure that you will not find any proof of Jesus drinking wine by looking to the Bible.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search...
yes, I had allready realized you started witha supposition, not a question. Good luck with your search for validation, and that whole "fatih vs. common sense" reasoning.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#310 Mar 22, 2009
*"faith vs. common-sense"

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#311 Mar 22, 2009
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure there is concrete evidence to support either arguement. I think it's all in how you translate it. As for myself I don't think Jesus drank fermented wine.
Saying "Jesus drank wine" and "Jesus was a drunkard" are not the smae thing. In Jesus' day, you had options for beverages. Water, milk (goat's or cattle, but not unless you went far enough) and wine (occaionally, water tinged with a local fruit or honey.) None served much more than room temperature. Wine has a shelf life of centuries if prepared properly, it happens relatively routinely that wine is even hauled up from the oceans floors in uncontaminated casks from ship wrecks that have been corral-sealed that date back ALMOST 1000 years. Liquids left outside attract wildlife, rats will drink from stored water and contaminate it with their feces and urine, spreading disease, fruit juices attract flies, etc. However, if given the CHOICE, wildlife will not consume alcohol (they will go for the water, etc., first.) It is doubtful that Jesus would not consume wine (or alcohol of SOME sort) even today, given the vast amount of wine that is used by bulk of the Christian faith even today for ceremonial purposes, it is simply not logical at all to assume that Jesus never consumed a cup of wine in his entire lifetime. I'm not discounting it, though... he is Jesus. He could do what he wanted. But even that being the case, I found Jesus to be a rational human being, not an irrational one. A rational human being, in that time, and under those circumstances, would not have made the IRRATIONAL decision, at some point in his time, to forgo the consumption of wine at all costs and under all circumstances, even merely a cupfull after a very long walk to a wedding or after a miracle performance, for the duration of his entire life.

“Earth, Love It Or Leave It”

Since: Oct 08

Indian Rocks Beach, FL

#312 Mar 22, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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yes, I had allready realized you started witha supposition, not a question. Good luck with your search for validation, and that whole "fatih vs. common sense" reasoning.
Although still not proof of Jesus drinking wine, I think the Book of Mormon does come closer to proof in the following verses:
3 Nephi:1 And it came to pass that Jesus commanded his Disciples that they should bring forth some bread and wine unto him.
2 And while they were gone for bread and wine, he commanded the multitude that they should sit themselves down upon the earth.
3 And when the Disciples had come with bread and wine, he took of the bread and brake and blessed it; and he gave unto the Disciples and commanded that they should eat.
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8 And it came to pass that when he said these words, he commanded his Disciples that they should take of the wine of the cup and drink of it, and that they should also give unto the multitude that they might drink of it.

It would seem strange that Jesus would use wine to help the people remember him if he himself did not partake of wine.

“I Believe in Christ”

Since: Nov 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#313 Mar 22, 2009
This topic is ridiculous. I also read that someone thought that the only fat people in Utah are Mormons. Can people really be that ignorant? Take a look around the entire U.S!! People of every race, gender, sexual preference, religion, nationality, you name it, are overweight here. It isn't exclusive to the Mormons. I'm pretty sure if you went down to the Deep South and did a study on the Baptists, there would be an "alarmingly high" number of overweight people.

According to "statistics", my brother in law is 30 pounds overweight. He has a BMI of 2%. So....how is he "fat" when he's practically all muscle? These "studies" aren't 100% accurate by any means. A person can be "overweight" and not be "obese". I am an LDS woman, and like my sisters, we are technically underweight for our height. We are healthy, we eat, but that is just how our bodies are. You need to remember that no body is the same. These studies are based on a generic scale as to what people SHOULD weigh. According to the "health scales" my brother in law should weigh 140 but he weighs 170 and is in tip top shape. According to the "health scales" I should weigh 130 but I weigh 112. I'm healthy. People can be "overweight" according to these generic "health scales", but in actuality be in the best shape they can possibly obtain.

And the comments about the "heifers" with their kids in tow are juvenile. I think someone has "Mommy" issues.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#314 Mar 22, 2009
proudearthling wrote:
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Although still not proof of Jesus drinking wine, I think the Book of Mormon does come closer to proof in the following verses:
3 Nephi:1 And it came to pass that Jesus commanded his Disciples that they should bring forth some bread and wine unto him.
2 And while they were gone for bread and wine, he commanded the multitude that they should sit themselves down upon the earth.
3 And when the Disciples had come with bread and wine, he took of the bread and brake and blessed it; and he gave unto the Disciples and commanded that they should eat.
•••
8 And it came to pass that when he said these words, he commanded his Disciples that they should take of the wine of the cup and drink of it, and that they should also give unto the multitude that they might drink of it.
It would seem strange that Jesus would use wine to help the people remember him if he himself did not partake of wine.
hey, dude, I don't know what you're getting at, but I'm pretty sure Jesus drank wine, no matter how anyone tries to spin any scripture, Mormon or otherwise, and I'm not even Mormon. Frankly, I don't have a problem with it. Jesus was a grown man as well as the Son of God, if Jesus wanted to drink wine more power too him, same as my neighbors on the street. These kinds of non-sensical debates are what degenrate churches from the true path of Jesus anyway in my opinion. Jesus was an absolutest on practically NOTHING of the KIND in regards to alcohol consumption. Nobody on EARTH that was a practical thinker was. There were THREE drinks available, more or less. Sometimes just two. Jesus lived in a harsh, harsh, HARSH landscape, as did all humanity.
PREDATOR

Brigham City, UT

#315 Mar 23, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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It would surprise me if Joseph Smith DID'NT drink. People did'nt have a lot of beverage options until fairly recently in human history, alcohol by far has been the easiest to keep and store.
JS sold spirits out of ZCMI

“Earth, Love It Or Leave It”

Since: Oct 08

Indian Rocks Beach, FL

#316 Mar 23, 2009
saviorself wrote:
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hey, dude, I don't know what you're getting at, but I'm pretty sure Jesus drank wine, no matter how anyone tries to spin any scripture, Mormon or otherwise, and I'm not even Mormon. Frankly, I don't have a problem with it. Jesus was a grown man as well as the Son of God, if Jesus wanted to drink wine more power too him, same as my neighbors on the street. These kinds of non-sensical debates are what degenrate churches from the true path of Jesus anyway in my opinion. Jesus was an absolutest on practically NOTHING of the KIND in regards to alcohol consumption. Nobody on EARTH that was a practical thinker was. There were THREE drinks available, more or less. Sometimes just two. Jesus lived in a harsh, harsh, HARSH landscape, as did all humanity.
I agree, it doesn't matter what Jesus ate or drank or smoked or what his marital status was. What I believe about any of that does not affect my salvation.

I must disagree with your assertion that nobody on earth that was a practical thinker was an absolutest concerning the consumption of alcohol. There was John the Baptist after all.
Samuel

Salt Lake City, UT

#317 Mar 23, 2009
Innocent _Bystander wrote:
Well, actually the Word of Wisdom (Wow) is a spiritual law...not a health code. In another section of the mormon's Doctine and Covenants the Lord says that He never gave a temporal commandment, for all things are spiritual to Him. Obeying the WoW is a spiritual law not a mormon diet. That is why it is important in worthiness issues. It has do do with obediance not weight control.!! lol you guys are funny here, I like this. And Keith, you do sound horribly hipocritical.
Section 89 states the word of wisdom was given "not by commandment" so why the comment about the Lord never giving a temporal commandment? Who said it was a commandment? Sec 89 later states it was given for the "temporal salvation of all saints" so I think the Lord is as concerned about excess weight as He would excess alcohol consumption as He would the use of tobacco as he would an unbalanced diet low in whole foods....or anything that affects the temporal salvation of individuals.
Huh

Salt Lake City, UT

#318 Mar 23, 2009
I love the following told by LDS Bishop Burton at General Conference one year ago:
"Late in the year a combination of dry weather and high winds fueled wildfires in southern California. These wildfires forced over one million people from their homes. At least 1,500 homes were destroyed. In response the Church provided cleaning kits, blankets, hygiene kits, and food. Over 5,000 Mormon Helping Hands along with missionaries cleaned, cooked, comforted, and cared for those affected."
"One note of appreciation said:“Please forward a great big thank you to all the Latter-day Saints who have been working so hard in my neighborhood. The Mormons have been here constantly with meals, hugs, prayers, and helping to repair and clear property. They … uplift my community, heal hearts, and repair homes in the San Diego hills.”1
"Reflecting on the experience, one stake president said:“One of our projects was to assist cleaning up around the local Baptist church.… We assigned 25 youth.… The Baptists said that they would have lots of donuts and coffee for us. We told them the coffee would go stale, but our youth could handle as many donuts as they could provide!"
As many donuts as they could provide?? Makes sense since donuts are so much healthier than coffee :) I'm guessing that overweight Mormons are just eating donuts to avoid the cardinal sin of consuming coffee....reminds me of a girl that said her mom said it was "against the word of wisdom to drink green tea because of the caffeine content." Her mom weighs ~400lbs...I don't think she's an expert on the WOW.
I B Leave

Salt Lake City, UT

#319 Mar 23, 2009
According to another study, ask Mormons (not church officials mind you) what the worst sins are in the LDS church and--Survey Says--W of W issues (ie don't drink coffee, don't drink alcohol, don't smoke) usu show up in their top 10 lists. How come the 10 commandments aren't listed in the top 10? Say, hypothetically, even consuming coffee and alcohol in moderation are "sins", i'd be willing to bet that when we all get to the other side we learn that W of W-related issues paled in comparison to other shortcomings, say being unkind to others, being dishonest, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if we all learned that consuming too much saturated/trans fat, too much high fructose corn syrup, too many processed foods, etc were just as bad, if not worse, than consuming alcohol/coffee.

It is not meet that the Lord should command in all things. Think for yourselves, use common sense re-evaluate your diet/lifestyle and make all the necessary changes to have a healthier body/life.

“Where is Cookeville?”

Since: Dec 07

Cookeville

#320 Mar 23, 2009
this whole nitpicking everyone to death over what they eat, drink, how fat they are, etc. is one of the things that really, really make any religion at all be an almost total turn-off for me. Too much stupid hippocracy and constant badgering over perfectly acceptable behavior. Jesus NEVER drank wine! Joseph Smith or Brigham Young NEVER drank alcohol! It's ridiculous.
Nippleopolis

Montgomery, AL

#321 Sep 9, 2009
Sharita Faye wrote:
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My Bible says Judge not, lest you be judged. Everyone should be able to make mistakes in trying to apply the gospel to their lives without having others criticize them at each step of the way. The #1 reason that churchgoers are disappearing is that religion is seen as judgemental, negative, and non-lifeaffirming. We Christians must do better, for ourselves and for God.
Question? Is your book and my bible the same? Just checking!

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