Animal Activists Protest Outside Charlottesville Walmart

The inflatable pig has blood and sores all over it. The group says this displays for shoppers how Walmart's pork suppliers are treating pigs. Full Story
G Luv

Damascus, MD

#42 Jun 22, 2013
Top Flight wrote:
I also wonder how many of the protesters work, whether they have "Obama" phones (read sarcasm) and whether they have actually seen the purported conditions other than in a video?
Of course you do, because it's easier than actually thinking about the situation...
Whatever

Charlottesville, VA

#43 Jun 22, 2013
Top Flight wrote:
To "Whatever" from Crozet. I was born and raised on a 1000 acre farm. Prior to running the farm, I was a college educated young person. As far as "dead is dead regardless of how you get that way" is a true statement. I have dealt with dead and dying persons on a daily and weekly basis for 40 years and regardless of the reason or the cause they are still dead. You, I believe, are the one with fewer neurons than I.
People are calling you stupid because you are being stupid. Whether or not you think you are stupid is irrelevant. And, for the love of God, stop humping away at "dead is dead regardless of how you get that way." That may be technically true, but--and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here--I think there is a wee bit of difference between dying peaceably in your sleep at age 90 and being on a plane at age 45 that has the misfortune to go from 39,000 feet to zero feet over the course of 60 seconds. Get it yet?
Bologna Streets

Charlottesville, VA

#44 Jun 22, 2013
Top Flight wrote:
To "Whatever" from Crozet. I was born and raised on a 1000 acre farm. Prior to running the farm, I was a college educated young person. As far as "dead is dead regardless of how you get that way" is a true statement. I have dealt with dead and dying persons on a daily and weekly basis for 40 years and regardless of the reason or the cause they are still dead. You, I believe, are the one with fewer neurons than I.
how many bodies are buried on the 1000 acres?
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#45 Jun 22, 2013
Top Flight wrote:
I would hardly consider myself stupid! The Obama phones are as rampant as the welfare checks that go along with said phones. I pay for my cell phone as do most working Americans. I work on a daily basis as do a great many Americans. The fact that you find the term offensive is just too damn bad. There are a whole collection of persons who are "taking great advantage" of Obama's free ride and sadly, myself and millions of other Americans are paying for that. How can anyone think that this is a "better" America at this point?
As hondacivic noted, you need to do your research as you clearly understand very little.

The WHOLE REASON that the Reagan admin supported the phone subsidy for the poor was to MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO GET A JOB. So, as someone else already noted, I don't care if you think you're stupid or not - though I guess it would have been nicer of me to say "misinformed." What takes it from misinformed to stupid is that you will belligerently stick to what you think - without actually learning anything about it.

It is also the case that there is no big "free riding" thing going on under Obama. During Obama's administration there have been no - absolutely NO - real changes to the welfare system.

You also probably think the "individual mandate" under ACA is "liberal" huh? It's an idea that came out of the Heritage Foundation.(Look 'em up since you probably don't know). It's purpose is to make it impossible for people to take free rides.

Anyway - misinformed, knee-jerk citizenship is no way to go about things.
G Luv

Damascus, MD

#46 Jun 22, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
I think there is a wee bit of difference between dying peaceably in your sleep at age 90 and being on a plane at age 45 that has the misfortune to go from 39,000 feet to zero feet over the course of 60 seconds. Get it yet?
"I want to go peaceful in my sleep like my Grandfather...not screaming and terrified like the passengers in his car."

Sorry. Old but good.
Top Flight

Charlottesville, VA

#47 Jun 22, 2013
Dead is dead, regardless of how you get that way... Period! I have seen people screaming at the top of their lungs prior to their death and I have seen people simply close their eyes and die. The bottom line is that they are dead. At that point it makes no difference as they have nothing mortal to compare their situation as it relates to being dead. Simply said, they have no sense or memory of it, so at that point, what the hell difference does it make. As for those persons who continue to call me stupid, maybe it is you who might be stupid, in fact, maybe debate isn't your game... "I know, lets have a spelling contest".
The Count

Charlottesville, VA

#48 Jun 22, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
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Yes, Reagan phones. Do your research. It was a program started under Reagan that paid for landline service for the poor. It was expanded to cover cell phones under Bush. It's just easier to say "Obama phone" from the GOP to further the hatred. It would also be committing the cardinal sin to mention the GOP god name of Reagan in the negative.
Yet you worship at the foot of Obama. I notice you didn't mention the entitlements that his administration is shelling out. Don't you think that our government should be helping people get off of welfare instead of increasing the dependency on government. But then again that's how the democRATS get their voting base.
The Count

Charlottesville, VA

#49 Jun 22, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
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Open your eyes. The economy is based on nothing short of greed. There is no such thing as doing the right thing anymore. Companies will do anything to make more money. If it is feeding animals unhealthy food to fatten them up faster, that's what it will do. It is all about the almighty dollar. If it is disposing of chemicals into a river to save money from having to pay another company to dispose of it for them.
The GOP wants a total free system with no regulations. They would love to see the EPA, OSHA, unions, banking regulations, minimum wage, etc all done away with. So these businesses can write their own rules. Treat their employees how ever they want and pay them as little as possible. So they can destroy the environment. It all plays into the GOP rhetoric that if the wealthy are doing good, we will all.
Interesting point that corporations are based on greed. Do you assume that the liberal agenda is not also based on greed? Do you think socialism isn't based in greed? If you say no, maybe you should consider taking an economics course instead of spewing the nonsense that Chris Matthews and Ed Shultz tell you to think. The liberal/Marxist agenda is pure greed - the greed and avarice of what those who work and produce. The entitlement programs are greed at the core. The welfare class desires the goods and services of the producers, without having to work for the goods and services and this administration is bent on giving it to them in the form of food stamps, welfare, increased disability payments.
hondacivic

Staunton, VA

#50 Jun 22, 2013
The Count wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you worship at the foot of Obama. I notice you didn't mention the entitlements that his administration is shelling out. Don't you think that our government should be helping people get off of welfare instead of increasing the dependency on government. But then again that's how the democRATS get their voting base.
I don't worship at the feet of anyone. I will however defend the flatout lies told by the GOP. Do you have a video of Obama walking around handing out welfare applications? How about one of Obama telling people to quit their job and let the government take care of them? What new entitlement program did Obama invent? You don't think for a minute that the recession had anything to do with the need for an increase in the need for assistance? What suggestions do you have to help people get off of assistance? Anything that costs money will never be approved by the Tea Party regardless if it will help people get off of assistance.

I find it hilarious that the GOP continues to say that Democrats buy their voters by promising "free stuff". Why not try looking at the problems inside the GOP that are scaring people away from voting for them? But then again that's how the republicans get their voting base by cheering on the crazy in their party.
hondacivic

Staunton, VA

#51 Jun 22, 2013
The Count wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting point that corporations are based on greed. Do you assume that the liberal agenda is not also based on greed? Do you think socialism isn't based in greed? If you say no, maybe you should consider taking an economics course instead of spewing the nonsense that Chris Matthews and Ed Shultz tell you to think. The liberal/Marxist agenda is pure greed - the greed and avarice of what those who work and produce. The entitlement programs are greed at the core. The welfare class desires the goods and services of the producers, without having to work for the goods and services and this administration is bent on giving it to them in the form of food stamps, welfare, increased disability payments.
If you ever actually watched Chris Mathews or Ed Shultz, you would actually know that they also express their disappointments in Obama also. Likewise, I am sure that Hannity and O'reilly tell you what nonsense to think.

You are correct that the people on entitlements are greedy. How dare people want to eat or see a doctor? How could they be so greedy? Do you know the number of children in the U.S. that live in a household that is below the poverty line? Almost 25%. Do you know how the U.S. ranks compared to other countries? Out of the 35 countries, only Romania was worse. We should be so proud. One of the largest corporations in the U.S., most of their employees qualify for assistance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldview...

If you think for a minute that someone on disability is living it up, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Someone receiving $600 a month on disability is really living large after rent, electric, etc. Let's see how good these disabled people would be treated if they would work for the generous companies:

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/...
Top Flight

Charlottesville, VA

#52 Jun 23, 2013
I deal quite often with those on public assistance and though they don't come close to a suitable income level, their spendable income is more than you think. Further, and I have many years of looking at this matter, many of the people that I have contact with are not too concerned about the entire situation. They get public assistance (read money), they get public housing (and that may not meet your standards)at a very reduced cost, they get free medical services under the Hill/Burton Act, and if they live in the city they get free Bus passes or should they live in the county, JAUNT provides reduced or free transportation. This isn't a matter of how "you" would necessarily want to live it is a matter of what makes these people comfortable. Having said that, there are those persons by circumstances who have fallen on hard times and they, in my observations, work very hard to rebuild their lives so that the Welfare State can be shed from their lives and they can move on. I am firmly convinced that if you have never dealt with these people in a professional way than there is no way that you judge whether I am right or wrong. Believe me, I am not the only person who by the very nature of my/our job sees these things for what they are, people living off the State, whether by choice or by circumstances, the State is paying for all their personal needs whether you think that is substandard or not. What really burns me up is going to the grocery store to get a small amount of lunch or dinner and try to eat that before my 36 hour tour is up and seeing the person ahead of me pay for better food that I am getting with food stamps AND then go the counter selling lotto tickets and buy 20 to 50 dollars worth of tickets proclaiming that they will win something. My question is always "where did that money come from" and I guess I always know the answer.
Zooloo

Charlottesville, VA

#53 Jun 23, 2013
I recommend everyone watch Vegucated a award winning documentary about what going on with the meat industry and the effects on the world and our bodies. Take the time to watch ... So many things people don't now and are not told!
harry

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Jun 23, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
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Such corporations such as GE, Verizon, Boeing, Mattel, etc. A study has found that many corporations have paid zero in taxes for years. The GOP argument is that the "lazy people" are taking "freebies" and not paying anything in taxes but cheer and support these corporations using tax loop holes hiding their money off shore so they don't have to pay taxes on it.
The GOP pushed for more subsidies to farmers on the Farm Bill while cutting food stamps. These subsidies and crop insurance guarantee the farmer will get a certain price for crops, milk, etc. This doesn't sound like capitialism to me where the free market will dictate prices with supply and demand.
If this is all so "secret" about corporate taxes, how do you know about it? Because it isn't hidden, it is in plain sight and perfectly legal because our government made it that way as a matter of public policy. You disagree with the policy? You are in the minority and don't have a clue about business or how our free society depends on it. Companies keep profits offshore because our corporate taxes are too high here and they would be giving away money that can be used to keep them healthy and grow. Besides the Democrats have no limit on how to spend tax dollars, why throw it away on people who never met a social spending program they didn't like? My social program? A job... companies do that. What's your plan?
harry

Charlottesville, VA

#55 Jun 23, 2013
hondacivic wrote:
<quoted text>
Open your eyes. The economy is based on nothing short of greed. There is no such thing as doing the right thing anymore. Companies will do anything to make more money. If it is feeding animals unhealthy food to fatten them up faster, that's what it will do. It is all about the almighty dollar. If it is disposing of chemicals into a river to save money from having to pay another company to dispose of it for them.
The GOP wants a total free system with no regulations. They would love to see the EPA, OSHA, unions, banking regulations, minimum wage, etc all done away with. So these businesses can write their own rules. Treat their employees how ever they want and pay them as little as possible. So they can destroy the environment. It all plays into the GOP rhetoric that if the wealthy are doing good, we will all.
Civic, your stock and trade is put words in people's mouths and misconstrue them. Not to mention pettifogging. Are people who want a good deal at Wal-Mart greedy? Your "greed" is someone else's "incentive" or "savings". It's only "greed" when you don't like the outcome. You are one big communist cliche.
The GOP wants an open system so people can compete on a level playing field. We have that now. Want good taste and good prices on pork, go to Wal-Mart. Want free-range hogs and organically fed, go to Whole Foods and pay more. See, the system works. Want better working conditions, learn more and get a better job or go into business for yourself and produce a better product.
Or, you can do as you suggest and go to China or some other country like that and complain about things there and do what they tell you. If China is so good, what are you doing here?
The Dude

Warrenton, VA

#56 Jun 23, 2013
harry wrote:
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Except ofcourse you have no evidence in this case, of dioxin or heavy metal feeding of hogs. Just typical of Chinese propaganda to make those unsubstantiated allegations. You also confuse capitalism with free trade, not surprising for someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. But your goal was to blame capitalism for making a profit from bacon laced with dioxins wasn't it? Pretty weak.
Clearly you didn't understand my post.
I don't need evidence since it was an allegory to suggest that not all regulation was bad. What Chinese propaganda? The only thing I mentioned about China was that Walmart is the largest importer of Chinese goods in the USA. If you want to have a discussion about free trade not being fair trade, then lets have at it. I don't confuse capitalism with free trade. I specifically stated that it is not the same thing. No, my goal was not to blame capitalism for anything? Again, you are trying to draw either dishonest conclusions, or you lack the intelligence to draw the proper conclusion.
Cvillian

Charlottesville, VA

#57 Jun 23, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Walmat is a favorite because it is the US' and the World's largest private employer...
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44622153/page/11
Is the largest importer in the US of good from China, which is
contributing to unemployment in manufacturing and increasing the trade deficit...
http://www.emergingmarketsoutlook.com/...
and also has the largest amount of employees on government assistance
http://www.ilsr.org/new-study-finds-walmarts-...
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on the flip side, they buy milk from dairy farmers that pledge not to treat their cows with rBST or rBGH
http://www.naturalnews.com/022913_rBGH_milk_c...
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The real issue is that we (as a nation) allow our corporate farmers (2% of farms now provide over 50% of the food) to get away with practices that no other industrialized nation allows. We like to think we hold ourselves to higher standards, but really, we don't. With the streamlining of food seeds a blight may cause serious famines in the first world. More over, we don't know the long term affects of many of these products.
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I never knew an autistic kid 20 years ago, now every one I meet has one.
You probably still don't know an actual autistic kid. The diagnosis has been expanded to include almost everything ncluding a kid who doesn't like the tag in kis shirt collar. Not even kidding. It's a diagnosis that gets kids special services in school so they don't have to do the work if they don't want to.
hondacivic

Staunton, VA

#58 Jun 23, 2013
harry wrote:
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If this is all so "secret" about corporate taxes, how do you know about it? Because it isn't hidden, it is in plain sight and perfectly legal because our government made it that way as a matter of public policy. You disagree with the policy? You are in the minority and don't have a clue about business or how our free society depends on it. Companies keep profits offshore because our corporate taxes are too high here and they would be giving away money that can be used to keep them healthy and grow. Besides the Democrats have no limit on how to spend tax dollars, why throw it away on people who never met a social spending program they didn't like? My social program? A job... companies do that. What's your plan?
You can put words in my mouth if you like. Where did I say it was "secret"? Yes I disagree with the policy. Why the argument that the average person barely making it on minimum wage needs to pay into the tax system, but it is fine for large corporations be able to pay nothing in taxes. They are not going to go under from paying taxes. I don't believe I am in the minority either:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57501245/...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57501245/...

Look at the statistics. The problem is people are not being paid a liveable income. You can continue to insist that people are "lazy and just want to live off the government". Giving more and more to the wealthy will not make sure everyone is prospering. We have tried that for thirty plus years. If it was working, we would all be millionaires now. It's not working.

Republicans have no limit on how to spend tax dollars, why throw money away on people who never met a tax break or war they didn't like?
The Dude

Warrenton, VA

#59 Jun 23, 2013
harry wrote:
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Civic, your stock and trade is put words in people's mouths and misconstrue them.
Is it ironical that you're a hypocrite, or just pathetic? Whatever it is, it is not surprising.
hondacivic

Staunton, VA

#60 Jun 23, 2013
harry wrote:
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Civic, your stock and trade is put words in people's mouths and misconstrue them. Not to mention pettifogging. Are people who want a good deal at Wal-Mart greedy? Your "greed" is someone else's "incentive" or "savings". It's only "greed" when you don't like the outcome. You are one big communist cliche.
The GOP wants an open system so people can compete on a level playing field. We have that now. Want good taste and good prices on pork, go to Wal-Mart. Want free-range hogs and organically fed, go to Whole Foods and pay more. See, the system works. Want better working conditions, learn more and get a better job or go into business for yourself and produce a better product.
Or, you can do as you suggest and go to China or some other country like that and complain about things there and do what they tell you. If China is so good, what are you doing here?
Harry, I want to send you a dictionary so you can learn some new words. Every reply you post to me, you use "pettifogging". Obviously your favorite word. Believe me, I have a job now that I love and most would only dream of having. For a company that actually does what is good for the business and it's employees. What I do at work will be almost impossible to be replaced by a machine.

Where did I mention anything about China? I don't believe I advocate China or their practices. I don't think that having kids working in sweatshops is great. But I can see how the GOP would love to be able to have that here. If only those pesky regulations would get out of the way. Businesses could increase profits then.
The Dude

Warrenton, VA

#61 Jun 23, 2013
Cvillian wrote:
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You probably still don't know an actual autistic kid. The diagnosis has been expanded to include almost everything ncluding a kid who doesn't like the tag in kis shirt collar. Not even kidding. It's a diagnosis that gets kids special services in school so they don't have to do the work if they don't want to.
What I do know is that you really don't know what you're posting about.
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I do know autistic kids, and I know what they have to go through to be diagnosed as one. It's not just some simple diagnosis that a general practitioner can diagnose, they have to go to a specialist to get any assistance. Most of the kids around here with behavioral issues are directed towards UVA's Kluge Children’s Rehabilitation Center.

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