Study of gay brothers may find clues about sexuality

Full story: Chicago Tribune

In Gregg Mierow's family, there were six boys, brothers who grew into two groups as they reached maturity: Three are gay, and three are straight.

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dr mills

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Aug 11, 2007
 

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A needed investigation into clarifying that sexuality exists within a natural biological spectrum, not merely as absolute seperate genders. Imposition of absolutes by society has resulted in too much innocent suffering.

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Aug 11, 2007
 
dr mills wrote:
A needed investigation into clarifying that sexuality exists within a natural biological spectrum, not merely as absolute seperate genders. Imposition of absolutes by society has resulted in too much innocent suffering.
Agreed. Labels of sex, gender, and sexuality are merely classifications. And as they stand, they're too narrow to account for actual human experience.

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"AXIDENTS" WILL HAPPEN!

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Aug 11, 2007
 
Even if it did prove to be correct based upon validated biological proof, Would parents abort the fetus knowing that the child would be gay?.. Would be ironic if they didnt and the child turned out strait!

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"The genes would probably be doing their work by affecting sexual differentiation of the brain during prenatal life," said J. Michael Bailey, a Northwestern University psychology professor involved with the project. "But what scientists are increasingly appreciating is that genes can affect a trait in ways you could never have guessed."

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Aug 12, 2007
 
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.

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Aug 13, 2007
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
Leave your family, and count YOUR blessings. Conditional love is not a blessing, spread your wings and FLY!!!
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Aug 13, 2007
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
Leave your prison ...
Put that hate behind you and live .
Dale Reynolds

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Aug 14, 2007
 
Excellent article in exploring sexual development in general, as well as for gays. Science is, inherently, neutral to the uses of its results. Law will follow information. So, more information, please.
Joanne

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Aug 14, 2007
 
There are so many problems with this article, and probably with the study, that it's hard to know where to begin. First, women are not even mentioned until the last line of the article. If there's a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality, they need to clarify that this study doesn't apply to lesbianism. How are they going to find a homosexuality gene when they don't know where the het gene is? How will they account for bisexuality? And they clearly know very little about gender, if they think this will help explain how women and men differ. They need to consider cross-cultural comparisons in order to understand what this _won't_ tell them. Lastly, when has finding a biological basis for anything guaranteed social acceptance? We need to foreground all of this work, no matter how well-intentioned, with the fact that ultimately, whether or not who one is sexually intimate with doesn't matter at all.
Jerry

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Aug 14, 2007
 
I work in the human and civil right arena as well as education, seems to me the argument about civil and human acceptance of difference is one of society struggling with those things they do not understand and can not identify with - understanding the science begins, and I restate, BEGINS, the process of understanding each other and finding common ground and mutual acceptance for all people. I encourage all things that lead to more knowledge and understanding - this is a major step that will go a long way to making life better for many people.
Philip Chandler

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Aug 14, 2007
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type...
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I don't know you, and I don't know whether you are an adult (capable of making lifestyle choices for yourself and of moving away from your Amish background in Kansas), or whether you are still economically and legally dependent on adults for your very survival, but I can tell you the following:

I was born and raised in South Africa, which was a very conservative country with respect to the issue of sexual orientation. I decided to leave that country as soon as I graduated from college and had saved sufficient funds so as to make such a break feasible (I was disgusted by the apartheid system). I was lucky -- I landed on my feet in the US, and have lived in the NYC area for the past two decades. My relatives were most disapproving at the time of my departure, but have since acknowledged that I did the right thing. One of the reasons I left the country was due to the reaction I would have received had I come out in South Africa. Provided you have the means to support yourself and are legally of age, I stronly encourage you to do what it takes and to start your life anew.

This may sound trite, but I can tell you that making a new life for myself was the best thing I ever did...

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Tony

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Aug 14, 2007
 
I think when they say "Seeking Gay Men With a Gay Brother," it's clear that this study excludes lesbians. I think you're missing the point that this is a biological science and not social science. Cultural influences cannot be considered. Albeit, homosexuality occurs pervasively among all cultures. They are simply looking for common genes. Isolating comon genes will help them determine what genes in general are involved with sexual orientation. Perhaps even give us some additional understanding of paraphilias. Stopping science because of social ramifications is not the answer. Relying on ethics will be the best way to deal with the ramifications. This could be an important step in understanding human development, opening the door to understanding lesbians, bisexuals, and everything else that falls under orientation and sexual development.
Joanne wrote:
There are so many problems with this article, and probably with the study, that it's hard to know where to begin. First, women are not even mentioned until the last line of the article. If there's a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality, they need to clarify that this study doesn't apply to lesbianism. How are they going to find a homosexuality gene when they don't know where the het gene is? How will they account for bisexuality? And they clearly know very little about gender, if they think this will help explain how women and men differ. They need to consider cross-cultural comparisons in order to understand what this _won't_ tell them. Lastly, when has finding a biological basis for anything guaranteed social acceptance? We need to foreground all of this work, no matter how well-intentioned, with the fact that ultimately, whether or not who one is sexually intimate with doesn't matter at all.
Straight But Not Narrow

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Aug 14, 2007
 
Maybe they need a 600 year old ship builder to help them be more accurate.
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Aug 14, 2007
 
The presumption that ethics will follow knowledge is delusional. The idea that knowledge will triumph over religious belief (superstition) is ingenuous. A study of the genetics of naivite' would be illuminating.
Ted

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Aug 14, 2007
 
Logic would indicate that people would not choose to be in a discriminated against minority. Homosexuality has existed in all societies throughout the ages & is also found in many other species. If this study can change some attitudes, more power to it, but don't expect the diehard "the Bible said it & I believe it" types to budge. One well-placed Baptist preacher is already promoting prenatal hormonal treatment. Bigotry based on religion will always be with us; I know, I'm the gay son of a fundamentalist minister, a preacher that will never accept his son-in-law of 37 years or me, his son who is his son-in-law's life-partner.

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Aug 14, 2007
 
cartmichaelwilliams wrote:
Tell me about it..I'm gay and Amish. I live in the center of Kansas. If my family finds out, then I'll "accidentally" die in an accident of some type. I can get in trouble just using a computer, like I am here, so imagine what my elders will do if they find out I'm gay. You gays who are open and free, count your blessings.
If your life is in danger, then you must leave. Be careful, and do some research, and get out of there!
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Aug 15, 2007
 
...GAY BROTHERS MAY FIND CLUES......
Let's get on with the study. The issue is out of the box, and has been for years. All sorts of genetic research and findings will help us have better understanding of who we are. Genetics is a part of our reality. Future generations will have to understand and cope with expanding scientific knowledge.
Lisa

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Aug 15, 2007
 
I guess gay people forget about woman too!!!!! im sorry you are able to study lesbians and do not!!!! not only do gay men get all are money for thirty years because they will not put a sock on it !!!now they get all the studies and spit on us!!!!! SHAME IS WHAT I FEEL FOR YOU!!!!

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Wil keeps going on about that eighty percent, doesn't he? Surely there is some sort of medication for obsessive compulsive disorder? The ignoramus didn't even read the article before he cut and pasted it. If he did, he would have noticed that the author of the article maintained, and very strongly, that 20% is quite a large number and indicates that homosexuality is, at least in part, genetic.
David B

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Aug 15, 2007
 
Wil wrote:
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The largest study on the subject indicates that EIGHTY PERCENT of the identical twins of homosexuals are NOT homosexual.
That really destroys the fiction that homosexuality is genetically dictated.
This article and responses so far express simplistic understanding of genetics. If they do uncovera gene expressing homosexuality, it still won't answer the question,
because genes are tools not manifestations. And it is inaccurate to
say that that identical twins share 100% of their genes, while they come as close to that percentage as possible there are always diferentiations, one will be heavier, or balder.20% is a significant correlation. And it is irrelevant whether or not homosexuality is nature or nurture, and by the way there is evidence that religious predisposition is also genetic.

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Aug 16, 2007
 
Wil wrote:
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The largest study on the subject indicates that EIGHTY PERCENT of the identical twins of homosexuals are NOT homosexual.
That really destroys the fiction that homosexuality is genetically dictated.
How many left handed people have left handed children? It is accepted as a genetic factor, but the percentage of lefties doesn't increase in the general population. It does however tend to run in families.

The studies I have seen focus on the fertility of the mother and the birth order of the sons. As with all scientific studies, all avenues should be explored. Try not to get your knickers in a know. I doubt they'll have results by tomorrow.

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