Civic Arena to Get New Fitness Center

Civic Arena to Get New Fitness Center

There are 43 comments on the Patch.com story from Aug 16, 2011, titled Civic Arena to Get New Fitness Center. In it, Patch.com reports that:

The St. Clair Shores City Council gave the green light for a new fitness center at the Civic Arena Complex Monday night, voting nearly unanimously to help fund the construction with federal development dollars.

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Good business

United States

#21 Aug 18, 2011
What if one of the secret donors who gave cash was the contractor who got the bid? We'll never know who they are.$20,000 in exchange for a $160,000 city contract would have been a good business investment. Not saying this happened, but it could have and we'd never know. Surprised more people didn't care about finding out who gave this money.
Never Happy

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#22 Aug 18, 2011
Woodsy D Owl wrote:
Is it legal to use that money to replace all the trees the city cut down on my street? I paid the money for a new one, but the rest of my neighbors wouldn't spend money for water if their grandmother were on fire. My street looks like the moon without a tree in sight, nothing like when I bought here in 2001.
Its sickening the amount of time, money and effort this city wastes on BS that the average Joe Taxpayer will never use or see. Covered bocce courts and fitness rooms for jocks (doesn't every HS have this kinda stuff?) Just like Washington DC... If you're a special interest group that makes a lot of noise, you get tax money. Government no longer repairs infrastructure or protects citizens (without a millage) because everybody is too busy circle-jerking their buddies. Everybody is against waste, until they waste a little on you.
I collect stamps rather than beating up seniors or spray painting walls... When is Uncle Sugar gonna fund my hobby?
Only and idiot would say supporting an ice rink is a hobby like stamp collecting. Using your philosophy we need to get rid of parks and rec and all the baseball fields. Sounds like a bitter person still stuck in there childhood.
Never Happy

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#23 Aug 18, 2011
Good business wrote:
What if one of the secret donors who gave cash was the contractor who got the bid? We'll never know who they are.$20,000 in exchange for a $160,000 city contract would have been a good business investment. Not saying this happened, but it could have and we'd never know. Surprised more people didn't care about finding out who gave this money.
Who cares who donates.
Hocus pocus

Clinton Township, MI

#24 Aug 18, 2011
My gosh people wrote:
No one is getting "in trouble" with the government first of all. And yes there are leagues of all ages and open skating for all ages. REALLY! And I believe the seniors get to skate for free during certain hours.
However, you must be 50 and pay a whole $5 to join and use the senior center facilities-lounge,$3 lunches (EVERY DAY) excercise equiptment, computer lab, computer classes, dinners, dances, bocce ball courts, shuffle board courts,
state of the art kitchen--------all built and funded on tax dollars and CDGB (Govt. Grant) funds. They have never raised a penny and never say thank you either.
The area at the ice rink des not effect them at all. They are just mad because they want more for nothing.
You have no argument.
Shut the hell up seniors never fundraise!!!!!! Thats all they have done this year! Your so frickin ignorant!!!!!!!
LOL

United States

#25 Aug 18, 2011
Hockey hit up a few big ticket donors so the kids have a cool new place to pump iron with their friends before they put on their expensive gear and hit the ice.

Seniors sold candy bars for a buck and hit the streets with raffle tickets so they can continue having an affordable meal program - that's open to anyone and no one is turned away even if they can't afford it. For some the only home cooked nutritious meal they get and the only time they get to visit with people.

Seniors win.
Woodsy D Owl

United States

#26 Aug 18, 2011
Never Happy wrote:
<quoted text>Only and idiot would say supporting an ice rink is a hobby like stamp collecting. Using your philosophy we need to get rid of parks and rec and all the baseball fields. Sounds like a bitter person still stuck in there childhood.
And only a bigger idiot would take the last line of the post, an obvious joke, seriously; while ignoring the rest.

As it stands now, this city collects a millage for police/fire, and another to repair the streets. So out of our regular tax bill, we pay above and beyond, for what are supposed to be the most basic services of government.

So now when offered a minor windfall from Uncle Sam, rather than use it for the infrastructure we've ignored for decades, we're buying new toys to amuse select adolescents.

One half of my street looks like Chernobyl because the city can't afford to replace its own trees, and the other half hasn't been trimmed in 30-years, so after every good storm there are large branches everywhere.

People running this city can't keep up with the basic needs of infrastructure, police and fire, but we can always buy new toys. So much for all the hope and change we were promised in 2009. Ahearn had his pet causes (parade, activities) Dumas had his friends to take to baseball games and buy pizza, and now the current council (with the exception of that vampire woman) wants to pretend they are NHL owners.

You're all doomed.
Johnny Appleseed

Auburn Hills, MI

#27 Aug 18, 2011
Woodsy D Owl wrote:
<quoted text>
And only a bigger idiot would take the last line of the post, an obvious joke, seriously; while ignoring the rest.
As it stands now, this city collects a millage for police/fire, and another to repair the streets. So out of our regular tax bill, we pay above and beyond, for what are supposed to be the most basic services of government.
So now when offered a minor windfall from Uncle Sam, rather than use it for the infrastructure we've ignored for decades, we're buying new toys to amuse select adolescents.
One half of my street looks like Chernobyl because the city can't afford to replace its own trees, and the other half hasn't been trimmed in 30-years, so after every good storm there are large branches everywhere.
People running this city can't keep up with the basic needs of infrastructure, police and fire, but we can always buy new toys. So much for all the hope and change we were promised in 2009. Ahearn had his pet causes (parade, activities) Dumas had his friends to take to baseball games and buy pizza, and now the current council (with the exception of that vampire woman) wants to pretend they are NHL owners.
You're all doomed.
I am all for it.
Ranger Rick

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#28 Aug 18, 2011
Woodsy D Owl wrote:
Is it legal to use that money to replace all the trees the city cut down on my street? I paid the money for a new one, but the rest of my neighbors wouldn't spend money for water if their grandmother were on fire. My street looks like the moon without a tree in sight, nothing like when I bought here in 2001.
Its sickening the amount of time, money and effort this city wastes on BS that the average Joe Taxpayer will never use or see. Covered bocce courts and fitness rooms for jocks (doesn't every HS have this kinda stuff?) Just like Washington DC... If you're a special interest group that makes a lot of noise, you get tax money. Government no longer repairs infrastructure or protects citizens (without a millage) because everybody is too busy circle-jerking their buddies. Everybody is against waste, until they waste a little on you.
I collect stamps rather than beating up seniors or spray painting walls... When is Uncle Sugar gonna fund my hobby?
Reach into your pocket and plant your own tree. What a great waste of $ that would be. I don't want no trees on my lawn, and I don't have them. As far as Infrastructure repairs and police protection I think it is adequate. I didn't see any posts from you regarding millages, since you mentioned it .I am glad a senior/hockey center workout facility catches your attention, though. Glad to see you have your priorities in order. Planting trees on your block for you sounds like a special interest of yours. Plant trees for those who want them, not randomly. Trees cause sewer backups which cost residents and cities thousands in clean-ups and repairs anyways. Give a Hoot to things that effect you Woodsie. You can turn your head almost completly around and see the big picture.HOOT Hoot
ThatDude

Fraser, MI

#29 Aug 18, 2011
I'll never be going there.
The Revelation

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#30 Aug 18, 2011
Good business wrote:
What if one of the secret donors who gave cash was the contractor who got the bid? We'll never know who they are.$20,000 in exchange for a $160,000 city contract would have been a good business investment. Not saying this happened, but it could have and we'd never know. Surprised more people didn't care about finding out who gave this money.
Council Question: why don't you ask the contractor who won the bid a simple question..

Did you donate to the Hockey center? And then, what if he did? He is doing the same job as others, but for less money. What if Dave Rubinos son played hockey? Could he have still voted? I don't see the argument here.
Daffy Duck

Roseville, MI

#31 Aug 18, 2011
Its nice of the city building this fitness room for non-residents.Most of the city council didn't see what they were going to vote on till they got there and it only took 45mins. to vote yes. Maybe if i lived in another city they would vote yes to fix the street i live on. By the way what happened to the 5 minite limit you have to plead your case in front of city council. Oh i am sorry Esler works for the city.
reveal nothing

United States

#32 Aug 18, 2011
Was the contractor at the meeting for council to ask that question? Would he have answered it even if he had given the request for secrecy?
Roto-Rooter

United States

#33 Aug 18, 2011
I have to laugh at the people who blame trees for backing up a sewer line. Hey genius, your sewer line is probably 50-60 years old! Modern sewer lines don't have CLAY joints.

Its like blaming the rain for wearing out your roof, or are you trying to milk that for 50 years too?

The trees will never get replanted, then HURRAY, we can look even more like rosevile.
Finally

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#34 Aug 18, 2011
Roto-Rooter wrote:
I have to laugh at the people who blame trees for backing up a sewer line. Hey genius, your sewer line is probably 50-60 years old! Modern sewer lines don't have CLAY joints.
Its like blaming the rain for wearing out your roof, or are you trying to milk that for 50 years too?
The trees will never get replanted, then HURRAY, we can look even more like rosevile.
Yes we should allow lawn parking. I will call Ron F he is liberal so he must be for it.
Joe Schmoe

Columbus, OH

#35 Aug 19, 2011
Woodsy D Owl wrote:
Is it legal to use that money to replace all the trees the city cut down on my street? I paid the money for a new one, but the rest of my neighbors wouldn't spend money for water if their grandmother were on fire. My street looks like the moon without a tree in sight, nothing like when I bought here in 2001.
Its sickening the amount of time, money and effort this city wastes on BS that the average Joe Taxpayer will never use or see. Covered bocce courts and fitness rooms for jocks (doesn't every HS have this kinda stuff?) Just like Washington DC... If you're a special interest group that makes a lot of noise, you get tax money. Government no longer repairs infrastructure or protects citizens (without a millage) because everybody is too busy circle-jerking their buddies. Everybody is against waste, until they waste a little on you.
I collect stamps rather than beating up seniors or spray painting walls... When is Uncle Sugar gonna fund my hobby?
The city needs to get out of ALL activities that only benefit a small minority of the population.....e.specially when there are plenty of private businesses that they are competing against......the golf course, marina, and ice rink. What is the actual cost of these facilities.....supports like to claim they bring in 'X' amount of dollars, but often forgot is how much property tax and personal property taxes these operations do not pay....plus all the hidden costs that don't show up on their balance sheets.
OMG

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#36 Aug 19, 2011
Hidden cost. How do they hide these. Where are the private businesses that want to do these things? How come they are not looking to buy these rinks or the golf course? You are right about the marina.
Wormlicker

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#37 Aug 20, 2011
Roto-Rooter wrote:
I have to laugh at the people who blame trees for backing up a sewer line. Hey genius, your sewer line is probably 50-60 years old! Modern sewer lines don't have CLAY joints.
Its like blaming the rain for wearing out your roof, or are you trying to milk that for 50 years too?
The trees will never get replanted, then HURRAY, we can look even more like rosevile.
This is a stupid post. Yes tree roots do cause sewer problems. Ask the residents 50 years from now about the new ones you planted today, Go to local nursary , stimulate the crummy economy buy something you cheapie and plant your own. Does Gov't have to do everything for you?
Broken Arm

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#38 Aug 20, 2011
Joe Schmoe wrote:
<quoted text>
The city needs to get out of ALL activities that only benefit a small minority of the population.....e.specially when there are plenty of private businesses that they are competing against......the golf course, marina, and ice rink. What is the actual cost of these facilities.....supports like to claim they bring in 'X' amount of dollars, but often forgot is how much property tax and personal property taxes these operations do not pay....plus all the hidden costs that don't show up on their balance sheets.
including a skateboard park that 18 and unders will be the only ones using it.Do you know who Pandora is?
Joe Schmoe

Columbus, OH

#39 Aug 20, 2011
OMG wrote:
Hidden cost. How do they hide these. Where are the private businesses that want to do these things? How come they are not looking to buy these rinks or the golf course? You are right about the marina.
How many golf courses are in the area? If the ice rink is truly a money maker like was implied by the parks director....private operators can easily be found. That is the simple basic economic test. I have no problem with the city providing services and amenities that the private sector cannot or will not do to the economics as long as it benefits a large portion of the city residents. Should the city build a curling rink because dozen residents want to curl? Or how about a riding stable for a different 2 dozen? The list is endless. Those that clamor so loudly about more money for the ice rink are those that have a horse in the race. Why not build a gym for training for gymnastics? I am sure an olympian may be produced eventually. Does anyone seriously believe that having a weight training facility is going to increase property values and draw new residents and businesses to the area.(If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell) The city needs to get out of these ventures and benefit a very few at the expense of the rest of the residents and return to providing basic services in a well done fashion. If groups like the hockey and figure skating clubs want better facilities let them pay for them themselves IN TOTAL. BTW 160K to renovate a couple of existing rooms and add some equipment.......that is tyipcal government spending
Joe Schmoe

Columbus, OH

#40 Aug 20, 2011
Broken Arm wrote:
<quoted text>
including a skateboard park that 18 and unders will be the only ones using it.Do you know who Pandora is?
Yes I do...and it was opened years ago by clueless local government types that freely spend your tax dollars competing against private business

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