Man slain in Burnsville had innocent ...

Man slain in Burnsville had innocent motive in pictures, his mother says

There are 103 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jan 26, 2011, titled Man slain in Burnsville had innocent motive in pictures, his mother says. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

As a boy, James Edward Koenig liked lifting weights and taking pictures of his biceps.

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“Ahhhh hee ahw”

Since: Aug 09

Twin Cities

#21 Jan 27, 2011
Thrall wrote:
Sounds like the victim was a fairly big guy... and the shooter was disabled. No doubt he felt threatened when the victim advanced on him. I don't know about you people, but if somebody points a gun at me and says 'leave'....I'm leaving. The fact that the victim moved TOWARD the cripple while he was holding a gun on him sounds like the victim might have had bad intent.
Yeah - the intent to disarm a drunk nutjob holding a gun on him!

“Ahhhh hee ahw”

Since: Aug 09

Twin Cities

#22 Jan 27, 2011
PHARAOAH wrote:
<quoted text>so sock in an earlier post you say you punched this guy out in a bar, and now were learning he’s disabled, hmmm ?
I don't think it was him anymore - the guy I fought was definitely not disabled in the slightest. Those gray haired guys all look the same ;)
Farmington Mayor

Minneapolis, MN

#23 Jan 27, 2011
We should allow everyone to carry loaded guns.This way we they could have both shot each other at the same time.Case closed

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#25 Jan 27, 2011
LBJ wrote:
A 38 year old man asking a 13 year old boy to photograph him shirtless flexing his biceps without the dad's knowledge? PLEASE! You don't need to be too intuitive or have Gay-dar to figure this one out. My creepy alarm started ringing like a fire-bell when I read this. The only thing missing was an offer to the boy to have a pillow fight and watch gladiator movies.
I think you're gay dar is turned up too high.
Jeremy

Saint Paul, MN

#26 Jan 27, 2011
The girlfriend should have kicked his cripple ass!
Close Mn Borders

Minneapolis, MN

#28 Jan 27, 2011
JLG wrote:
Let me get to the bottom of this for everybody.
1. They were watching the Packers.
2. They were drinking in order to enjoy watching the Packers.
3. They got drunk trying to drink enough booze in order to watch the Packers.
4. The Packers won which subconsciously started this whole problem.
My ruling? It's the fault of the Packers.
They're all from Wisconsin.
T Holmes

Saint Paul, MN

#29 Jan 27, 2011
In this incident they both were in the wrong. James Koenig should have leftthes Thomas's house when asked especially when he was asked repeatedly. Also the Thomas's should have called the police instead of going to get a gun. This is a real tragedy that both families have to face.
johns6797

Houston, TX

#30 Jan 27, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
<quoted text>
You and I read it the same way. I thought the boy went to his room to retrieve his new camera, then brought them out to the livingroom to show off the photos he had taken at an earlier time. The father saw the shirtless pictures and went into a rage over it.
I don't understand why the victim's girlfriend would tell him to leave, without going with him. Maybe I'm reading that wrong. The article is unclear and vague, but hopefully a jury will get the facts in order.
My guess, Zen, is the girlfriend was probably trying to get herself and Koenig out of the house.

This whole story gets more bizarre the more details that come out about it. Allowing that the scenario in this article is correct Koenig should have known better then to have a 13-year-old taking shirtless, posing pictures of him. He also should have left Thomas' house when Thomas told him to leave.

Thomas should have left his gun where it was and left the vodka alone. If he thought Koenig was up to something nefarious with his son he should have, oh, I don't know, called the police maybe?? And/or told Koenig as much; "I've called the cops and they are on their way...get the #### out of my house and stay the #### away from my son!"
LBJ

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Jan 27, 2011
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> I think you're gay dar is turned up too high.
And yours must be turned off. This is not just mildly creepy. It's a precursor for molestation and it's actually pretty easy to see right through(if your eyes are open). You learn something new every day, right? So now you know. If you have an adolescent boy and a grown man is asking him to take shirtless pics of him in private, that man is probably trolling for something sexual. I've had 3 friends who were victims of molestation at around the same age and their first encounters were similar. An adult gay male with a seemingly innocuous and innocent cover story, followed by an advance toward molestation. One of those boys is now living the gay lifestyle, and the other two are dead. One through a drug overdose and the other, alcoholism. The point is that all three were irrevocably, profoundly and negatively changed forever by a similar first encounter, which led to molestation, which then led into an exploration into the gay life. This, sadly is a very common story of how many gay males "discovered" their sexuality. Statistically, a huge percent of gay men were victims of molestation as boys. It's a fact the gay lobby is loathe to discuss but there is ample data available for those who wish to look at it honestly. I'm pretty sure the sensitivity of my gay-dar is about perfect.
Tooner

Minneapolis, MN

#32 Jan 27, 2011
I want to know why the girfriend wanted him to leave instead of saying "Let's leave"? It could have been part of the problem!
Jim B

Saint Paul, MN

#34 Jan 27, 2011
gwisahoax wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually what you say isn't exactly the truth. You are allowed to defend yourself from home invasion. Since he actually invited the guy over and let him into the house, this is not necessarily the case in this instance.
If someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and I shoot him dead, I am fully within my constitutional rights to do so.
Actually, no! The mere fact that someone enters your house without permission, does not give you the "constitutional right" to "shoot him dead". Neither the U.S. nor the Minnesota constitution confer such a "right". The kinds of charges that might be brought (or not brought) against you are heavily dependent on the circumstances and the jurisdiction. As a rule, you had better make some effort to contact law enforcement if feasible prior to using deadly force.
steve

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Jan 27, 2011
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...... thats what they all say. either way it aint right. why shirtless??
Babs

Saint Paul, MN

#36 Jan 27, 2011
This was not self-defense. Clearly this man was in no danger when he "left the room and returned with a gun". This so-called "disabled" man had every intention of using that gun. He needs to be prosecuted. Would this even be an issue if this man had no disablity. Come on people. Is this an action of a "civil"-ized man? I think not.
Kevin

Hopkins, MN

#38 Jan 27, 2011
Guns dont kill people....drunkin white people in wheel chairs kill people.....

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#39 Jan 27, 2011
johns6797 wrote:
<quoted text>
My guess, Zen, is the girlfriend was probably trying to get herself and Koenig out of the house.
This whole story gets more bizarre the more details that come out about it. Allowing that the scenario in this article is correct Koenig should have known better then to have a 13-year-old taking shirtless, posing pictures of him. He also should have left Thomas' house when Thomas told him to leave.
Thomas should have left his gun where it was and left the vodka alone. If he thought Koenig was up to something nefarious with his son he should have, oh, I don't know, called the police maybe?? And/or told Koenig as much; "I've called the cops and they are on their way...get the #### out of my house and stay the #### away from my son!"
We're in complete agreement about the shoulda's and coulda's of the case. If I had evidence of something untoward going on with my kid, I'd be all over the police to get the offender behind bars. I'd like to hear what the boy has to say about what happened and how the photos came to exist. As it stands, shirtless photos of a man aren't pornographic and it's pretty flimsy a reason to shoot someone. As you pointed out, though, drinking and firearms are a very bad combination.
Daytons Personal Bartendr

Minneapolis, MN

#40 Jan 27, 2011
He didn't get shot because of the pictures, he got in an argument because of the pictures. He got shot because he didn't leave the house of a guy threatening him with a gun.

Its all in the article, why are people stuck with the innacurate headline?

Its kind of unfortunate the media highlights the mother's sad and understandable words at the death of her son. But that is how they make money--expoliting the pain of grieving people.
Daytons Personal Bartendr

Minneapolis, MN

#41 Jan 27, 2011
Jim B wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, no! The mere fact that someone enters your house without permission, does not give you the "constitutional right" to "shoot him dead". Neither the U.S. nor the Minnesota constitution confer such a "right". The kinds of charges that might be brought (or not brought) against you are heavily dependent on the circumstances and the jurisdiction. As a rule, you had better make some effort to contact law enforcement if feasible prior to using deadly force.

Many states with a more manly orientation have 'stand your ground' laws. Minnesota would not be one of those states.

Agreed with your referral to circumstances. Again, folks, if you shoot someone in hour house, do not talk to the police without a lawyer. Law enforcement prefers to charge than excuse the shooter.
Daytons Personal Bartendr

Minneapolis, MN

#42 Jan 27, 2011
Kevin wrote:
Guns dont kill people....drunkin white people in wheel chairs kill people.....

Explains the low murder rate in the inner city.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#43 Jan 27, 2011
Kevin wrote:
Guns dont kill people....drunkin white people in wheel chairs kill people.....
I'm intensely curious to know what the man's disability is.

“"Molon Labe"”

Since: Oct 09

North Afghanistan

#44 Jan 27, 2011
The more I read the newspaper, the more I consider living as a hermit on a beach somewhere.

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