Judge: Trudeau can't suppress evidence

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A Boone County judge today said she would not suppress evidence that led to criminal charges against former Indianapolis Colts quarterback Jack Trudeau and a dozen teenagers implicated in underage-drinking at ...
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MR THINKY GUY

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#100
Sep 28, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>LOL..Well thank you for reminding about that election business - I plum (or plumb) forgot.
Just a reminder - elections are nothing more than a civil and lawful way to disagree. Just because we hold them doesn't mean we have to agree with our government. In fact, the founding fathers with all of their wisdom set up something called the Constitution - guaranteeing me and other malcontents like me, the right to express our disagreement with the police, diagreement with school lunch menus, and the right to disagree with citizens like yourself. You know, people who believe our government is always right - and abides by the "social" contract - whether they like it or not.
Have a nice day.
Darn you, now I just have to agree.

Go have a nice day yourself! ; )
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#101
Oct 1, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>There are many facts I don't have - for instance, I don't know what the local noise ordinances are where Trudeaus live. The community I live in doesn't call for quiet until 11 p.m. during the week, and midnight on Friday and Saturday. It would be very unlikely the police would come to a private residence for a noise complaint outside those times.
I admit I do not have all of the facts surrounding this case - I don't think many do. Also, I'm not a big fan of the Trudeau family - however, I get real nervous when I read about these kinds of arrests in the paper. I think it raises the real question of where does law and order cross the line into violating our civil liberties. And no, I'm not advocating underage drinking. I'm suggesting that if the government is allowed to show up on our front porches for reasons like this, then I think it's time to start asking ourselves where we draw that line.
I'm not a constitutional scholar - I'm just an average Joe. Road blocks for "seat belt" inspections, mandatory "random" drug testing, and police on my front door step for "excessive noise" are all excuses for the government to invade our private lives.
A citizen made a complaint to the police. What exactly should they do? Ignore it? Should we then have the neighbor who made the complaint take the law into his/her own hands?

You make it sound as if the police were cruising by Trudeau's residence, saw some cars that they thought obviously belonged to teen-agers, and decided to raid the place for drugs and alcohol. In fact, all of this could have just "gone away" if Trudeau hadn't been a dummy, and had monitored his teen-ager's liquor party by keeping the noise down, or by keeping the alcohol hidden. Instead, he acted guilty immediately, and then had the great vision to have money-bags Hilbert be snotty to the cops.

Nope, Trudeau collected keys because he was certain that teen-agers were going to drink alcohol illegally, and he had an inkling that some may not be able to handle the booze.

Contrast that with other parents who deny entrance to their kids' parties if a teen-ager brings in his/her own drink whether it be in a water bottle or soda can.

I understand that some teen-agers will go out and obtain alcohol illegally and drink it (also illegally). But Trudeau's providing a safe haven for those illegal activities is also illegal ... and he should have known better.
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#102
Oct 1, 2007
 
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<quoted text>Listen Prof, if I want someone's help, I'll be glad to call them or let them know - otherwise they're not helping - they're disturbing.
You sure missed the point. The point is not that when YOU want help from the police due to someone else making a disturbance ...

The point is when YOU are making the disturbance.
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#103
Oct 1, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>There are many facts I don't have - for instance, I don't know what the local noise ordinances are where Trudeaus live. The community I live in doesn't call for quiet until 11 p.m. during the week, and midnight on Friday and Saturday. It would be very unlikely the police would come to a private residence for a noise complaint outside those times.
You make it sound as if the police would need a decibel meter to measure the noise to exacting specifications before acting. The laws (IIRC) relative to noise, disturbing the peace, etc. are rather subjective. I guarantee you that you are not allowed to make enough noise that would drown out a Boeing 747 jet engine at 3:30 pm on a Saturday if you live in an area zoned for residential use.

Likely what happened was that the police came to the door, rang the doorbell, and upon not having anyone answer, walked around to the unfenced back yard (source of the loud music). The music was loud, the drinks were out, and when Trudeau was summoned to speak with police, they likely noticed the booze out and teen-agers sprinting off to the woods. Trudeau was busted and he knew it, thus, "How can we make this go away?"
MR THINKY GUY

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Oct 1, 2007
 
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Holy Cow, Frank - someone must've put a bee in your bonnet!....
One observation - you sure put a lot of "likely this" or "likely that" in your suppositions - how do you know what the facts are? I admittedly don't know the facts or the details of this particular incident.
I've been posting on this thread because of my healthy distrust of government meddling in my private business, or the business of others. My argument has consistently been that their is always a fine line between civil liberties and aggressive law & order practices. My overall belief is that we have too many occurrences of government sticking their noses into the private lives of citizens.
Do I know for sure they (the government) did the right or wrong thing in the Trudeau case? No, I do not know - because I lack all of those pesky details that you seem to making assumptions about when you use the phrase, "likely what happened,".... I don't know for sure what transpired - that is not my point.
I'm a quirkly kind of guy Frank. When my employer told us they would begin "random" drug testing in the workplace to ensure our safety I got nervous - even though I've not used an illegal substance since college, and even though I drink about three beers a year. I got nervous because I don't like people taking away my right to privacy and other rights, as provided for in the Constitution. I don't like people going through my urine, checking my blood, stopping me at roadblocks to inspect for "seat belt" use, officers knocking on my door to ask me about my music listening habits and the decibels of those habits, schools and other institutions telling me how to worship or when/who/how to pray, etc., etc.,.....
You see, to me this is not about some rich family having a few kids over for a party. To me, this issue is about the broader issue of how much power and authority does the government have to interfere with my private life. Pehaps this time it will be proven in court that the government was right and did the appropriate thing by testing the toddlers in the house for alcohol/drug use....but in my world they crossed the line....that pesky, but important line that most of us seem to be debating.
If I have offended any of your sensibilities on this matter, so be it. I am not posting to offend, or to avoid offending. I am posting because I have the right to express myself and raise the issue as I wish.
Have a nice day.
The government has always had the authority to keep the peace. May it always be so.
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#107
Oct 2, 2007
 
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<quoted text>Yup, I agree - just like they did at Kent State in the 60's, just like they did in Birmingham in the 60's, just like they did at the Democratic Convention in Chicago, just like they do on a routine basis in LA and Cincinatti - I see what you mean. My government is always right and should never be questioned, challenged, and always allowed to "keep the peace" as they see fit. I'm sure everything will work out for the best - no worries.
I see your point. I think we need to dismantle the government and live like cavemen. I realize now that that was the best. Wait a minute, even the stone age people had government for mutual self-preservation.

Oh dear me oh my, the bloody thing is endless!!
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#109
Oct 2, 2007
 
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<quoted text>Oh man! I forgot about that caveman government stuff. The way I understand it, they typically they had a number of other cavemen (with clubs of course)forming a "ring of protection" around the other cavemen. Their charge was to ride around on the best yaks from the herd, and protect the others from wild beasts. Many times though, they ran out of wild beasts to chase, and did other things - like hassling (I mean protecting and serving) the other cavemen families by checking their caves for illegal substances and making too much noise.
Thank goodness you reminded me of that caveman parable - you have really changed my mind about cops and intrusive government.
I wonder if we talked how much we'd actually agree. I often wonder that when I have discussions like this.
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#111
Oct 3, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>Listen Prof, if I want someone's help, I'll be glad to call them or let them know - otherwise they're not helping - they're disturbing.
As far as your illustration concerning the traffic warning vs citation - LOL...I've received plenty of each, and I'm not complaining about it. When I choose to speed, I understand the potential consequences. In my opinion, it's not a matter of my right to privacy if I exceed the speed limit.
Call to all home invaders from sugarcreeker - come in tie/beat me up,.. police know I don't answer door for them and only need them when "I" call them - Do not Disturb.
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#112
Oct 3, 2007
 
can't suppress so what do you do? oh, that's right, you sue for a million bucks and say you have been traumatized....hmmmmmm
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#113
Oct 3, 2007
 
Lisa was mad at maria because her cut at frankey's wasn't what she wanted it to be. Maria could do what she wanted because it was her seed money. Sure, Maria lives across the street and called the cops to still up the crap that night. Maria is a small minded twit. Lisa shouldn't have shown her that house to buy across the street from her.
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#115
Oct 11, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, well, no...you see the government still has not taken away my right to bear arms - so I'd simply take the magnum out of my belt and blow three holes through them. I wouldn't call the police - I'd call the coroner.
Have a nice day.
You'd let the coroner in? He's part of the government too?!
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#116
Oct 11, 2007
 
SugarCreeker wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, well, no...you see the government still has not taken away my right to bear arms - so I'd simply take the magnum out of my belt and blow three holes through them. I wouldn't call the police - I'd call the coroner.
Have a nice day.
But if someone disarmed you and then proceeded to do as they wished - you wouldn't want a policeman to come and check out the disturbance if reported by a neighbor? Even if you didn't ask them to come because you couldn't?
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#117
Oct 13, 2007
 
Hey! Treadeau family & supporters!!! All us High School kids are laughing at you fools trying to justify your lies!!

Nice job the way you are raising your kids by the way. FSSA ought to remove them from your custody.
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#118
Nov 21, 2012
 
Ms Best got some Karma
January 30, 2011
Twenty arrested at underage drinking party
The Lebanon Reporter
Zionsville — Fifteen kids under the age of 21 but older than 18 and five juveniles younger than 18 were arrested or summoned to court after an underage drinking party was discovered in the Timberwolf subdivision in Zionsville.
According to Boone County Sherif's Office Public Information Officer Chris Burcham, at around 1:15 a.m .Sunday, the Boone County Sheriff's Office received an anonymous tip, through a 911 call, that stated there was an underage drinking party at 9249 Timber Wolf lane. Boone County Deputies were dispatched to the home, along with the Whitestown Police Department.
While first approaching the home, deputies could smell alcohol and saw numerous beer cans in plain view. Deputy Ryan Musgrave noticed a few underage kids on the front porch of the home consuming alcohol and asked for the homeowners to step outside. Homeowners, Mariea Best and Haroon Ahmad were fully cooperative and gave permission for deputies to check their property for underage kids illegally consuming alcohol.
Approximately 25 adult/minors and juveniles were located throughout the house with alcohol in their system. Their ages ranged from 17 years old to 19. Fifteen minors (18 and over) were arrested for Minor in Possession of Alcohol (a class C misdemeanor). 5 juveniles were summoned to court and released to their parents. Mr. Ahmad and Ms. Best were preliminarily charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. The report was filed with the prosecutor's office for further review, and could possibly bring about other charges.
Oneunconscious female was checked by EMS, but was released by medics at the scene.
“We will continue to track down and stop these underage parties to protect our youth from making poor decisions. In doing this we hope to enlighten these youngsters about the dangers of underage drinking and driving under the influence of alcohol,” Sheriff Ken Campbell

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