No-spanking bill's backer -- Mtn. View's Sally Lieber -- taking...

[Mississippi Proud]

SNJ Norway wrote:

Mississippi Proud Houston TX
what happened to your post 5th Feb and some
comments that followed??
I intended to respond -

Obviously, you have figured out this is another forum. But feel free to respond. I believe my last post started with "Let me say this a little slower so you can get your language translator to catch up. THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE IN DISCIPLINING YOUR CHILD AND BEATING A KID TILL THEY ARE BLOODY!"

[Mississippi Proud]

Try doing a search under California forums for the correct one!

[sean]

I'm in all favour of parents whipping there kids for disipline, the no spanking law is gotta be the most abcurred laws we have. This is a free country and its FREEDOM OF CHOICE to do whatever you want with your kids without the government dictating on what you should or shouldnt do with your kids

[sean]

BOBBY OAR wrote:

NOW AMERICA MAY NOT HAVE A LAW BANNING SPANKING,BUT I THINK IF YU ASK MOST TROUBLED TEENAGERS OF TO DAY IF THEY WERE SPANKED,MOST WOULD SAY THEY WERE NOT. UNFORTUANATLY THE TEENAGERS OF TODAY WERE RAISED BY PARENTS WHO DID NOT DICIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN. WHEN A PARENT DOES NOT DICIPINE THEIR CHILD THAT CHILD FEELS UNLOVED...FEELS AS IF THE PARENT DOES NOT CARE ...... END RESULT YOU HAVE A CHILD THAT IS NOT RESPECTFULL OF AUTHOURITY. END RESULT A REAL MESS.

agree bobby

[sean]

I 100% support every parents Godgiven RED, WHITE, AND BLUE rights to do whatever they want with there kids. Liberals believe that spanking and using physical disipline doesnt work on the child. Our liberal government wants to comeup with this idea kind of like in nazi Germany that every neighbor looks after one a nother to see how they treat there own kids. (Hypothedically speaking) for example that if one neighbor that happens to be outside watering and spots a good glimps of a nother neighbor such as a mom slapping her kid across the face. That neighbor reports the other neighbor to the cops and she gets arrested for child abuse, this to me is down right ridiculous. This is the same liberal sh*t they did in nazi Germany that any parent mistreating there misbehaved sons or daughters, the kids had every right to report there OWN parents to the NAZI SOCIALISTIC POLICE. By doing so, Hitler had the parents penalized along with the jews and the kids were taken away. Thats all it would take if our weak liberal society desides to sign petitions to have this no spanking law come into affect

[Jen Aburshaw]

Let me tell you that I remember vividly getting spanked. My dad was 'old fashioned' and threw us across his lap, pulled down our pants and underwear. As a child I was petrified. Some would say well behaved b/c I didn't even speak around my dad. I found it beyond humiliating and felt helpless. Even then I knew it was way overboard for teaching me not to do something. As an adult it makes me sick. It is very violating, particularly for a girl. And..no suprise..I like sex on the violent side. Psychologists could have a field day. Now when I see a child get spanked or hear a child get 'warned' it makes my stomach turn. Perhaps that is the key- a quick swat on the butt is one thing, but being held down, being violated by having your pants/underwear forced to be removed just to get the pain factor up a bit is sick and very detrimental. I am one adult that lives with those bad memories daily.

[sean]

Jen Aburshaw wrote:

Let me tell you that I remember vividly getting spanked. My dad was 'old fashioned' and threw us across his lap, pulled down our pants and underwear. As a child I was petrified. Some would say well behaved b/c I didn't even speak around my dad. I found it beyond humiliating and felt helpless. Even then I knew it was way overboard for teaching me not to do something. As an adult it makes me sick. It is very violating, particularly for a girl. And..no suprise..I like sex on the violent side. Psychologists could have a field day. Now when I see a child get spanked or hear a child get 'warned' it makes my stomach turn. Perhaps that is the key- a quick swat on the butt is one thing, but being held down, being violated by having your pants/underwear forced to be removed just to get the pain factor up a bit is sick and very detrimental. I am one adult that lives with those bad memories daily.

I understand you live with those bad memories in all, but a parent should have that freedom of choice of how he raises his kids, wether if its hitting or giving them two days of time out its still a freecountry. I dont think that there should be some nosey busybody who should look after one neighbor on how he or she treats his kids. Why make it a crime to disipline your kids, when you look at all the terrible stuff they do to children nowadays in abortion clinics (not to get off this topic)

[Scott]

Spanking doesn't help kids anymore. Children are frazzled already from the pace of modern life. They are very unsure of themselves and spanking undermines their confidence in very severe ways. There are better methods of discipline.

[Mariam Nazir England UK]

Please end corporal punishment tonight. Beating
children with wooden boards can result in serious injury, and lawsuits against schools. Research has shown that beating the pelvic area of children can lead to sexual and psychological problems as well. And states that have banned so-called "paddling" of schoolchildren, enjoy greater academic success in their schools, and lower crime rates.

Please start the New Year out right by banning this cruel and outdated practice.

Let's do something amazing today!

Thank you immensely.

[SNJ Norway]

sean wrote:

<quoted text>I understand you live with those bad memories in all, but a parent should have that freedom of choice of how he raises his kids, wether if its hitting or giving them two days of time out its still a freecountry. I dont think that there should be some nosey busybody who should look after one neighbor on how he or she treats his kids. Why make it a crime to disipline your kids, when you look at all the terrible stuff they do to children nowadays in abortion clinics (not to get off this topic)

The frightening thing with your views is the fact that you look upon your child as your property and in a free country you do what you want with your property. It does not seem to occur to you that no-one want to be owned. In your world it is YOU and only YOU who owns. Take care - you most likely do not UNDERSTAND what the others are talking about. Hope your kids have a beter capacity.

[Dinah]

Jo Benoit wrote:

Why stop with the physical abuse, do more research, the mental abuse is horrible. Evidence; come to southern Louisiana and shop. The words used toward children are abusive, from cursing them to calling them stupid,(mildly speaking) on my part. The law also has to protect the one reporting these incidents .Protection for the one reporting these incidents is unfair. The one filing the complaint is the one on trial and become the victim of harassment and law suits. No one is reporting the abuse either physical or otherwise because of the system at hand. So the babies will continue to be abused in every aspect of life because the lawmakers, while riding on their white horses, they have weapons to defend these babies.

I am a recent convert to the NO increase in minimum wage front. I started studying economics!

It could not be more painfully illustrated than what the minimum wage would do to our local area.
Local businesses that would normally give teens summer jobs; would atop hiring them. That part of the culture would be changed. First it happened that being a newspaper deliverer would become unsafe for the kids who USED to do it for first jobs. Now they won't even be able to work for Mc Donald's or concession stands like they used to.
We have NO right to call them lazy when we take away their opportunity. So before you jump on this minimum wage bandwagon, study a little ecomonics and how small business works. BUSINESS is the lifeblood of this country.

That said, the real issue I though about when looking at your post. I don't believe the state should be in the "no spanking" business.

There is a GREAT DEAL of difference between a simple spanking, and physical child abuse. I have SEEN physical child abuse. It makes spanking look like throwing a paper wad at someone.

As you say, verbal abuse is another thing too. It can be MORE destructive than physical abuse. Physical abuse can heal. Mental abuse stays with a person for life. I only hope a mother I once knew STOPPED the practice of calling her lovely little daughter 'turdball'. I'm sure the little one didn't know what it meant at the time; but it's pretty bad when your own MOTHER calls you that; and for NO apparent reason.

[Dinah]

Karen wrote:

I think this potencial law silly on too many levels. While it is meant to protect children under four, there is a huge difference from spanking a child and abuse. There are already laws on the books clearly stating abuse. If your local enforcers don't use these then shame on them!
But for someone to compare what a Vetrinarian recommends in not using physical force with a cat, and balancing this against parental values in raising children is wrong. I'm not advocation nor promoting or suggusting that intimation through pain or bullying through emotional abuse is right in any way, but I will confess to swatting my children on the backside more than one time to correct behaviour that was not acceptable. Must have done something right, because all are now married with healthy happy children of their own (socially strong, gets excellent grades). One is the youngest manager on record at a bank; one owns an ambulance company; one owns/opperates a small in-care facility and one is an oceanographer. All grew up understanding accountability, and how this balances in life according to their ages.

Man, we need to hear MORE success stories like this to balance out the loonies.

[David Daniel]

If hitting one's spouse is spousal abuse, then hitting one's child is child abuse. Anyone who cannot see that is totally illogical and is obviously mystified by their own abuse. People who claim they benifited from abuse are only mystifying their perception of their parents. People who hit children are sick, just as people who hit their spouses, their dogs, or other people are sick. That is why it against the law in 22 countries and restricted in Canada.
David Daniel
wethechildren.com

[Gimmee a BREAK]

I am soooo sick of people whining about spanking when it comes to children. There IS a HUGE difference between spanking and abuse, the Drs, Parents etc. who go on and on about violence begetting violence really MAKE ME FURIOUS, can somebody PLEASE explain to me then how My fathers generation (50's and older) who were raised not only with spanking but with being "switched" have FAR less criminals than my generation when (30's & younger) There is NOTHING wrong with teaching children that there will be nasty consequenses for breaking the rules. BTW - YES I WAS SPANKED as a child. Newsflash people - we follow laws and rules because we don't want the be punished for the most part - NOT BECAUSE we just think its wrong - notice I say for the most part - certain things we just know are wrong but others - like speeding, wearing a seatbelt etc. we do cuz we dont wanna get into trouble - This is just another issue for people to whine about and abstain responsibility - "I murdered those people cuz my daddy spanked me - not because I a flipping idiot psychopath" Most of these people were probably NEVER spanked they have just realized that saying your were abused as a child is a GREAT defence in this country where everything is somebody elses fault. Crime is up, spanking is down...um.. Duh!! Get the picture people and take some responsibility for the people you are raising. You are NOT you childs best friend you are the parent - BE ONE!!!