Why I'm still a Catholic

Why I'm still a Catholic

There are 144 comments on the Salon story from Oct 1, 2013, titled Why I'm still a Catholic. In it, Salon reports that:

From the other room, I hear my eldest daughter ask her father the question. Again.

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Ocean56

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#21 Oct 7, 2013
jean wrote:
well do you believe in god at all?
Nope. As far as I'M concerned, "god" is IMAGINARY. Last time I checked, not believing in the Christian or Catholic "god" isn't against the law in the United States.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#22 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
4. You misunderstood those teachings also.(Contraceptives such as condoms and pills may not be used because they prevent the reproduction--> one function of sex/ and is therefore and abuse because it is purely for pleasure)--> NFP is the way to do it.
Nonsense; I understand those regressive teachings very well, and you just said it yourself.

The Catholic Church's anti-contraception doctrines are put in place for a reason; a very oppressive one, as far as I'M concerned. The church forbids all forms of reliable contraception because it prefers to have total control over women's sexual and reproductive decisions.

That's why "NFP" is the ONLY form of "family planning" the church allows; it's for family PLANNING, not for family prevention. Couples who don't ever want children, or who are DONE with the whole procreation thing after having the number of kids THEY want, should avoid using NFP if they don't want another pregnancy to happen.

The church doesn't like it when women keep their own personal power by using contraception to avoid unwanted pregnancy. So, in an extreme effort to make a woman feel guilty about using something she has every right to use as a person, the church labels using contraception a "sin," an "offense against God," or something equally ridiculous.

That's another reason I love being Catholicism-FREE; I retain my freedom to make my own personal choices, which to me is the best form of power a woman can have. Having been deprived of such power as a child (kids don't get choices, after all), I refuse to give that personal power up to others again. I LIKE having power and freedom, and I intend to keep it. Whether or not YOU approve of my keeping it is irrelevant.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wentworthville, Australia

#23 Oct 7, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can BELIEVE you're "free" if that's what floats your boat. But as far as I'M concerned, a woman is NOT free if she allows a backward religious institution like the RCC to make all her personal decisions FOR her.
The most basic freedom a woman has -- to decide for HERSELF whether or not to be a mother and how many children SHE wants to have -- is DENIED her by the Catholic Church's anti-contraception doctrines. Why any woman would allow a bunch of male clerics in dresses to make such personal choices for her is beyond me. That's one of the benefits of being Catholicism-FREE (CF); I'M in charge of my reproductive processes, not some backward church hierarchy.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Honestly , I dont understand why you're so bitter about the catholic church . I make my own decisions thank you very much but just take into consideration what I've been taught. You honestly act like I walk around with some leash around my neck listening to a priest barking orders on how to live. No . Thats not how I live. If anything whenever I am treated like that it works the opposite way and I dont listen.
I take what I've been taught, think about it, make sense of it and make decisions from there.
Secularism is just an escape from the guilt of committing a wrong.- Because if you dont believe in any higher being, youre not accountable to anybody for your actions.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wentworthville, Australia

#24 Oct 7, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiiiiiiight, and in the Catholic Church, a "sin" is anything the Pope SAYS it is. That includes the use of what the Catholic hierarchy calls "artificial contraception" to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Oh, and I believe the church still considers certain sexual acts to be "sins" as well, since they avoid the pregnancy risk if they don't lead to intercourse. Am I correct on that point?
That's one of the seven benefits of being CF (Catholicism-FREE); I don't have that kind of church-based nonsense running MY life. I get to decide for MYSELF in all matters of sex and reproduction without some nosy male cleric telling me I'm committing some kind of "sin" for making those decisions.
That means I can decide to use contraception to prevent unwanted pregnancy, since I'm DONE with the whole procreation thing. The "consequences" you mentioned are nothing more than stopping at the number of children I wanted (in my case, ONE), and enjoying life on MY terms.
S.I.N.= Self-Inflicted NONSENSE
To be honest , Im sure if you look into the reason behind WHY using artificial contraception is a sin you'll rethink your current argument because it really does make sense. It would be a waste of my time and yours if i were to write it because some ignorant people love to dwell in their ignorance.
You focus so much on YOURSELF and YOUR LIFE .. yes, it is your life , but remember you dont make your own heart beat. You didnt bring yourself into existence.
And a sin is not what the pope deems as sins. It is in essence an offence against God (again). Sometimes matters and situations are so complex we need to look to the pope for guidance.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wentworthville, Australia

#25 Oct 7, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense; I understand those regressive teachings very well, and you just said it yourself.
The Catholic Church's anti-contraception doctrines are put in place for a reason; a very oppressive one, as far as I'M concerned. The church forbids all forms of reliable contraception because it prefers to have total control over women's sexual and reproductive decisions.
That's why "NFP" is the ONLY form of "family planning" the church allows; it's for family PLANNING, not for family prevention. Couples who don't ever want children, or who are DONE with the whole procreation thing after having the number of kids THEY want, should avoid using NFP if they don't want another pregnancy to happen.
The church doesn't like it when women keep their own personal power by using contraception to avoid unwanted pregnancy. So, in an extreme effort to make a woman feel guilty about using something she has every right to use as a person, the church labels using contraception a "sin," an "offense against God," or something equally ridiculous.
That's another reason I love being Catholicism-FREE; I retain my freedom to make my own personal choices, which to me is the best form of power a woman can have. Having been deprived of such power as a child (kids don't get choices, after all), I refuse to give that personal power up to others again. I LIKE having power and freedom, and I intend to keep it. Whether or not YOU approve of my keeping it is irrelevant.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
WOW . YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT.
To put it simply ... the church does not permit the use of artificial contraceptives because it is an abuse of act of sex (which is sacred).
If you want to know why go ask a priest and do your research to get hard facts rather than jump to conclusions.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wentworthville, Australia

#26 Oct 7, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure I do. It's to "confess," to a cleric, whatever so-called "sins" you think you might have committed during the week before the weekly drag known as "confession." Then the cleric tells you what kind of "penance" you have to do to atone for those imagined "sins," which was usually a bunch of silly prayers.
That's how I interpret that silly ritual, anyway. If I'm incorrect, I couldn't care less. I consider it to be another church-based waste of time, which I'm also very glad to be FREE from.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.

Since I consider your "God" to be IMAGINARY, and that in fact I was "made" by my biological mom and dad, there's no reason for me to ruin my Sundays, including today, with long and tedious church services to "worship" some deity I have no belief in. I can spend my Sundays any way I want.
Seems to me like you're just pissed that I CAN reject Catholicism with no civil or criminal penalties for doing so. Too bad. That's one of the best advantages of living in the United States, which is, thankfully, NOT dominated by that toxic church.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Just because you dont believe in God doesnt mean he doesnt exist. Truth is objective and unchanging irrespective of anyones personal opinions. We can conclude that there is a God using reason.
Please just stop jumping to conclusions about the faith just because you are lacking. Whatever you choose to do in life, I hope for your sake it's the right choice , not the more comfortable convenient one. I hope you find your purpose in life and are satisfied.
Ocean56

AOL

#27 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
Honestly , I dont understand why you're so bitter about the catholic church.
I think I explained my reasons why I despise that toxic institution quite well in my most recent post. Was the post too hard for YOU to understand?

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#28 Oct 8, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
1. Honestly, I dont understand why you're so bitter about the catholic church. 2. Secularism is just an escape from the guilt of committing a wrong.- Because if you dont believe in any higher being, youre not accountable to anybody for your actions.
1. As far as I'M concerned, there are plenty of reasons for me to have utter contempt for the Catholic Church. The fact that it denies women the freedom to make our own individual choices about when or IF to become a mother by forbidding the use of reliable contraception is just ONE of those reasons. Whether you "understand" that or not is irrelevant, to me anyway.

2. As for your idiotic remark about secularism, I've read that kind of nonsense in the past from militant religionists of varying faiths more times than I care to remember. In my life, I haven't had so much as a traffic ticket, let alone committed a major crime. Since I've committed no crimes, I don't have to be "accountable" to anyone. So, contrary to what you prefer to believe, one DOESN'T have to belong to a church or believe in an imaginary deity to be a law-abiding citizen of my town, state, and country.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#29 Oct 8, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
To be honest , Im sure if you look into the reason behind WHY using artificial contraception is a sin you'll rethink your current argument because it really does make sense. It would be a waste of my time and yours if i were to write it because some ignorant people love to dwell in their ignorance.
You focus so much on YOURSELF and YOUR LIFE .. yes, it is your life , but remember you dont make your own heart beat. You didnt bring yourself into existence.
Oh PLEASE, I know what self-serving "reasons" the Catholic Church uses to impose its anti-contraception doctrines on women, and I don't buy any of them. IMO the CC forbids the use of reliable contraception for ONE reason; it seeks to control women's sexual and reproductive decisions. Well, too bad, the CC doesn't control ME, nor does it control MY personal decisions.

That's one of the greatest benefits of being Catholicism-FREE; I'M in charge of those life decisions, and I don't allow anyone else to make them for me. In my experience, the ones who get most upset by this are those who have given up ALL their personal power to the Church and bitterly resent those of us who kept it by REJECTING the Church and its anti-woman rules. Sorry, but your resentment isn't my problem.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#30 Oct 8, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
WOW . YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT.
To put it simply ... the church does not permit the use of artificial contraceptives because it is an abuse of act of sex (which is sacred).
If you want to know why go ask a priest and do your research to get hard facts rather than jump to conclusions.
You can say "you obviously do not" all you want. It's not going to change the fact that I don't buy any of the Catholic Church's self-serving "arguments" why it doesn't allow women to use reliable contraception.

By the way, it is hardly "abuse" for a woman to decide for HERSELF whether or not she wants to become a mother and for her to decide, IF she chooses to be one, how many children SHE wants to have. Only the Catholic Church considers such individual decisions "abuse," primarily because they threaten the Church's CONTROL over people, especially women. And it is hardly "jumping to conclusions" to express verbal criticism of the Catholic Church, which IMO deserves all it gets. So I'll express that criticism all I want. I don't need your permission or approval to do so.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#31 Oct 8, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
1. Just because you dont believe in God doesnt mean he doesnt exist. Truth is objective and unchanging irrespective of anyones personal opinions. We can conclude that there is a God using reason.
2. Please just stop jumping to conclusions about the faith just because you are lacking. Whatever you choose to do in life, I hope for your sake it's the right choice , not the more comfortable convenient one. I hope you find your purpose in life and are satisfied.
1. And I can conclude that your God is IMAGINARY using reason. What YOU want to believe is up to you.

2. I decide for MYSELF what choices to make in life, and they don't have to suit you or anyone else. They work for ME, and since my choices haven't broken any civil laws, that's all that matters. I'm very fortunate to live in the United States, which gives all citizens freedom FROM religion, as well as freedom OF it. People who live in Catholic-dominated countries aren't nearly so lucky.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#32 Oct 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Of course you neglected to mention that in the United States, one is free to pick NO RELIGION. Which I did 25+ years ago, when I kicked the toxic baggage of Catholicism to the curb. I have seven good reasons to love being what I call Catholicism-Free (CF for short):
1. No constant and tedious preaching about "sin"
2. No long and boring church services and sermons to ruin my Sundays
3. No hassles about the weekly drag known as "confession."
4. Not having to pop out more kids than I wanted because of Catholicism's anti-contraception doctrines
5. Not having to give any of my money to the church's blood-sucking hierarchy by the church-based extortion known as "tithing."
6. No worries about my child being a victim of one of the Catholic Church's vile pedophile priests
7. Freedom to decide for MYSELF on all important personal matters like sex, marriage, and reproduction
Personally, I find it a gross obscenity that a group of male clerics in dresses has the arrogance to believe it has the "right" to rule over millions of women's lives. Luckily for me, I can -- and DID -- kick all of this toxic church's baggage to the curb so it wouldn't ruin the quality of MY life. I celebrate that decision every day.
For me, being Catholicism-Free (CF) ROCKS. It's wonderful how much freedom a woman has when she ISN'T mentally chained to a regressive and oppressive religious institution.
John 6:66

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wentworthville, Australia

#33 Oct 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
1. And I can conclude that your God is IMAGINARY using reason. What YOU want to believe is up to you.
2. I decide for MYSELF what choices to make in life, and they don't have to suit you or anyone else. They work for ME, and since my choices haven't broken any civil laws, that's all that matters. I'm very fortunate to live in the United States, which gives all citizens freedom FROM religion, as well as freedom OF it. People who live in Catholic-dominated countries aren't nearly so lucky.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Im sorry , I cant help but laugh.*no offence* Honestly you dont seem happy at all in your "freedom".
Just because youre a law abiding citizen doenst automatically make you a good person .. it just means you obey the law of the land.
I hope your live a good life, catholic or not , it doesnt matter. In the end, when we die all that will matter is how well we lived.
Wishing you a happy life x
jean

Van Nuys, CA

#34 Oct 8, 2013
ocean 56 are you a lady or a man i am a lady
Ocean56

AOL

#35 Oct 8, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
Im sorry , I cant help but laugh.*no offence* Honestly you dont seem happy at all in your "freedom".
You can tell yourself whatever you want, if that's what makes you feel better. Being Catholicism-FREE makes me very happy, which sure beats the misery I suffered when I was stuck with the unwanted burdens of Catholicism.

I just prefer freedom over slavery, which IMO is what the Catholic Church represents. If you want to spend your life in obedience to that toxic institution, that's entirely up to you.

Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Ocean56

AOL

#36 Oct 8, 2013
jean wrote:
ocean 56 are you a lady or a man i am a lady
Why does that matter?
Catholic Girl

Bethpage, NY

#37 Oct 8, 2013
Hi Everyone, Being a practicing Catholic I here and understand all of what is being said here. The pope is a representative of God, not God Himself. Yes there are man made laws in the church, it's my belief this is to keep church inline with todays modern thinking. But the real laws are described in The Bible, which never changes and hasn't since it was written. Frankly it doesn't matter if you are catholic, espi., prost.,lutheran, whatever congragation you call yourself. Just so your church reflects what the bible teaches. But most of all believe in God and give praise and glory to our creator. I believe this is all He really cares for, if not he may just be forgotten like other things in past.
As for those who stop being a practicing catholic, they may return someday. But I bet their heart is still with Jesus, they may be lazy or just not with it for now. Personally, i think everyone may stop practicing their religion for awhile, than something inside them comes out and once again we return to our religion. This very thing happened to me. Just as I told my priest, the first confession on my return. I'm back and with full force. So now my understanding is much broader than ever before. I feel that I have experienced the otherside of life but now I'm back to the right side of life. My life has returned for the better. Just as it's stated "born again christian". Jesus has never left my heart, I just put him aside for abit. so glad I returned before it was to late. for this very same reason I feel this is why it's important for the parents to instill religion in the young. Usually it's the parents children look to for truth, justice and the right way of living. Isn't this so?
SHYKORA paul arts

Calgary, Canada

#38 Oct 8, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
It's up to you to pick your religion. God gave us freedom of choice. Kind of like the Price is right game, do you want door # 1, 2, or 3? could be a zonk, could be the big prize of the day.:)
enjoy your day that the Lord has made...
..some good pointers ,here..eh...(+)..

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Parramatta, Australia

#39 Oct 8, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can tell yourself whatever you want, if that's what makes you feel better. Being Catholicism-FREE makes me very happy, which sure beats the misery I suffered when I was stuck with the unwanted burdens of Catholicism.
I just prefer freedom over slavery, which IMO is what the Catholic Church represents. If you want to spend your life in obedience to that toxic institution, that's entirely up to you.
Secularism = FREEDOM. No dogmas required.
Dont confuse true happiness with that temporary feeling we associate with happiness.
You seem hell bent on living that utilitarianism life so go ahead, let the experience speak for itself.
Just stop hating on the CC because youve had issues in the past because theres a reason its lasted 2000 years.
SHYKORA paul arts

Calgary, Canada

#40 Oct 8, 2013
.....HAPPINESS...is...sigh..jo y ..(+)..yada u..and ,in the moment..eh

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