Tensions rise as Latinos feel under siege in America's deep south

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El Guapo89 wrote:

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Buzzkill- Wow! You sure believe you are important, don't you? I am as American as you are...I would venture to say that I am more so (unless you actually served in the Armed Forces) as I have achieved the American dream. The same American dream that your ancestors achieved thanks to Manifest Destiny and the slaying/conquering of Native American tribes many years ago. Ask any American Citizen that is not a frequent contributor to these forums to read the posts made by people like yourself and they would just laugh at you and your irrational fear. What you should fear is the astronomical number of Americans that are on some sort of government assistance and are happy to stay there.

You did a loot of dodging to avoid answering my questions didn't you?
Yes I am important.
This country was created by my ancestors to protect their God given rights and mine, so I AM IMPORTANT. The country exists by our sufferance to protect our rights and even the rights of those we allowed in as legal immigrants. We DID Create a country. Unfortunately you want to allow folks to break in and usurp those rights outside the rule of law and expect us to supinely accept that.

You are as American as I am but don't believe in the rule of law and despise the creation of America despite the benefits you get by being here?

I did serve in the Armed Forces (Navy) so I guess you can admit that by your own definition are not as American as I am.

You say you are American since you have achieved the American dream and then offer up Manifest Destiny as your dream? You are not making a lot of sense. Or did you simply mean that you think because you broke in to the country and made money by using illegal aliens in your sweatshop that you are really an American?

AS I have pointed out my concerns and fears are NOT IRRATIONAL regardless of what clueless drive bys might think.

California violates US Immigration laws and is going broke - not from 2 day detentions of illegals held for ICE, but from millions of illegals living there and using up vast resources for health, education, welfare not to mention the unemployment that has to be paid to keep Americans on the sidelines while illgals drive down wages to the level that no citizen will work for that price. Yet the Holder Justice Dept does nothing. Trillions of dollars are spent on the costs of illegals over time along with a growing welfare state that in many cases is paying for the offspring of illegals. Our huge debt could turn us into another Greece.
The threat that America could cease to be a nation of free, self determined people and turn into a stagnant European style socialist state or Latin American mob rule democracy is no longer an idle threat. We are in peril, but it looks like we will not be losing our country yet as we will take it back this election.

Yes the number of Americans on assistance is horrific. Once we kick out the illegals and cut back on legal immigration so we do not hand away on a visa every job we create, the jobs will be available to put Americans back to work and at reasonable wages, so there will be little excuse or need for all these Americans to be on assistance--and little tolerance for it so it will come to an end.

Then with an end to the sweatshop labor here you will head out to somewhere else, perhaps to a place whose people you prefer to real Americans, and you can exploit those Latin Americans in Latin America! Like I said before I will help you pack so you can leave.

[spytheweb]

Too bad, don't like it, go home.

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Let's be nice and say to the illegals who have been our overstay "guests", "don't go home mad, but just do go home and don't come back now, hear?"

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El Guapo89 wrote:

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I tell you what. I would wholeheartedly support deportation of any illegal immigrants who are on welfare. If they made every American that drew some sort of welfare do a job for their gov. check, then we wouldn't need those illegals you guys are always bashing.

Actually not a bad post for you!

[Je lai baisee]

spytheweb wrote:

Too bad, don't like it, go home.

So why are you expecting the Mexican government to be compassionate to other central American?
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Why do you demand Iran, Syria, and others to be compassionate? Why don't you go home yourself and stop defecating crap on others and on their land?
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Perhaps when a stupid gringo is dismembered, you should avoid the area to? Don't like it, go home!

[El Guapo89]

Buzzcut wrote:

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This country was created by my ancestors to protect their God given rights and mine, so I AM IMPORTANT.
-As a US Citizen, that includes me too. However, unlike a lot of people I don't believe that GOD cares only for US Citizens.

You are as American as I am but don't believe in the rule of law and despise the creation of America despite the benefits you get by being here?
-Clarification, I salute you and your Navy service. What I meant was that if you didn't serve then I would be more American by virtue of my Army service during this war. I'm not sure where you get that I despise the US.

You say you are American since you have achieved the American dream and then offer up Manifest Destiny as your dream?
-Maybe you need a lesson on reading comprehension. My reference to Manifest Destiny was in relation to your comment regarding your ancestors and the way they "built" OUR country. I, and millions of 1st, 2nd generation Americans (newer immigrants) belong just as much as you.

Or did you simply mean that you think because you broke in to the country and made money by using illegal aliens in your sweatshop that you are really an American?
-Haha..Save your insults for someone who is phased by that. I am not a business owner, the only sweat that I have spilled is my own. I built my dream on plenty of blood, sweat and tears my friend...ok, and my GI BILL!!

Then with an end to the sweatshop labor here you will head out to somewhere else, perhaps to a place whose people you prefer to real Americans, and you can exploit those Latin Americans in Latin America! Like I said before I will help you pack so you can leave.
-This is my country and I will stay here in my rightful place. You are like so many others and are quick to judge someone that opposes your view. Look around you, do you think that every brown person is illegal? I've got news for you, we are not. Oh, and we are here to stay. Relax, in a couple of generations you will have some new group to hate on!

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El Guapo89 wrote:

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This country was created by my ancestors to protect their God given rights and mine, so I AM IMPORTANT.
-As a US Citizen, that includes me too. However, unlike a lot of people I don't believe that GOD cares only for US Citizens.
You are as American as I am but don't believe in the rule of law and despise the creation of America despite the benefits you get by being here?
-Clarification, I salute you and your Navy service. What I meant was that if you didn't serve then I would be more American by virtue of my Army service during this war. I'm not sure where you get that I despise the US.
You say you are American since you have achieved the American dream and then offer up Manifest Destiny as your dream?
-Maybe you need a lesson on reading comprehension. My reference to Manifest Destiny was in relation to your comment regarding your ancestors and the way they "built" OUR country. I, and millions of 1st, 2nd generation Americans (newer immigrants) belong just as much as you.
Or did you simply mean that you think because you broke in to the country and made money by using illegal aliens in your sweatshop that you are really an American?
-Haha..Save your insults for someone who is phased by that. I am not a business owner, the only sweat that I have spilled is my own. I built my dream on plenty of blood, sweat and tears my friend...ok, and my GI BILL!!
Then with an end to the sweatshop labor here you will head out to somewhere else, perhaps to a place whose people you prefer to real Americans, and you can exploit those Latin Americans in Latin America! Like I said before I will help you pack so you can leave.
-This is my country and I will stay here in my rightful place. You are like so many others and are quick to judge someone that opposes your view. Look around you, do you think that every brown person is illegal? I've got news for you, we are not. Oh, and we are here to stay. Relax, in a couple of generations you will have some new group to hate on!

Are you a legal US citizen or did you or your parents break in and you simply have not been caught and deported?

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God cares for all, but America was created to be a land of liberty for ITS CITIZENS, not the world. It is meant to be an example for the rest of the world so that citizens in their own countries can take responsibility for their own governance, not just tuck their tails between their legs and run here where soneone else's WASP ancestors DID CREATE a great country.

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You despise the US when you denigrate its founders and citizens and prefer illegal aliens to American Citizens and oppose efforts of Americans to defend their borders and themselves from an illegal invasion.
How can you love the USA and hate that it is the ultimate expression of the English speaking peoples?
As far as Manifest Destiny, don't give me a pile of garbage about abusing Indians-Native Americans and then after someone else has cleared out the Indians, you move here to taake advantage of it. Hypocrite!
You got upset when I noted that America was created by MY Ancestors for themselves and their posterity (me). It was! The founding fathers did not put their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor at risk for unknown future immigrants. They did it for themselves and THEIR posterity. If you think your immigration here was worth their dying for, PLEASE hand Mayor Washington back his crackpipe. It is not due to YOUR goodness that they or we their posterity (and those who have sustained this country) gave LEGAL Immigrants full equality as Citizens, but due to our honoring the laws our ancestors created. You are the one who fails to honor that gift WE gave you. You are the one who wishes to give illegal aliens an unearned citizenship at the expense of existing citizens icluding legal immigrants.

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Not every brownskin person as you call yourself is an illegal alien.

Are you?

If not, then why are you so concerned that illegal aliens be treated like legal immigrants?

Do you see no difference between legal and illegal?

Do you think that because they are brown like you that you have more in common with illegal brown skin aliens than your WASP (and other)American citizens?

If so then it is you who with the race problem and "Brownskin Bigot" is a good nickname for you.

You moved into an Anglo country and then object to all the WASPS and Gringoes here speaking English. Why did you not move to some country full of loving Brown skin people who would welcome you as one of their own- with NO RACISM?
You had a choice between 2 Anglo countries and 23 Latin countries and you chose one of the two Anglo ones.
WHY?

[El Guapo89]

Buzzcut wrote:

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Are you a legal US citizen or did you or your parents break in and you simply have not been caught and deported?

Fuzzcut: Reading comprehension...it's a good thing to have. The answer you seek is in my post.

[El Guapo89]

Buzzcut wrote:

God cares for all, but America was created to be a land of liberty for ITS CITIZENS, not the world. It is meant to be an example for the rest of the world so that citizens in their own countries can take responsibility for their own governance, not just tuck their tails between their legs and run here where soneone else's WASP ancestors DID CREATE a great country.

Refresh my memory....or better yet, refresh your own memory...Your ancestors came here for what reason? People have come to the US for the same reasons for generations.

[El Guapo89]

Buzzcut wrote:

You despise the US when you denigrate its founders and citizens and prefer illegal aliens to American Citizens and oppose efforts of Americans to defend their borders and themselves from an illegal invasion.
How can you love the USA and hate that it is the ultimate expression of the English speaking peoples?
As far as Manifest Destiny, don't give me a pile of garbage about abusing Indians-Native Americans and then after someone else has cleared out the Indians, you move here to taake advantage of it. Hypocrite!
You got upset when I noted that America was created by MY Ancestors for themselves and their posterity (me). It was! The founding fathers did not put their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor at risk for unknown future immigrants. They did it for themselves and THEIR posterity. If you think your immigration here was worth their dying for, PLEASE hand Mayor Washington back his crackpipe. It is not due to YOUR goodness that they or we their posterity (and those who have sustained this country) gave LEGAL Immigrants full equality as Citizens, but due to our honoring the laws our ancestors created. You are the one who fails to honor that gift WE gave you. You are the one who wishes to give illegal aliens an unearned citizenship at the expense of existing citizens icluding legal immigrants.

Fuzzcut: I'm really not sure what you are trying to say in your disjointed paragraph. "WE" as in you and I didn't do anything special other than have the good fortune of being born in the US. We were not present at the signing of the Declaration, we were not present at Lexington Common, Valley Forge or Yorktown. If your ancestors were, well then that is awesome. That still doesn't make you anymore special than any other US Citizen. If you are a Vet as I am, then that does make you special, as a small percentage of men/women who have been willing if necessary, to sign over their lives for freedom and equality for all. The act of being born on US soil is good enough for you, so it is for all others too.

[El Guapo89]

Buzzcut wrote:

Not every brownskin person as you call yourself is an illegal alien.
Are you?
If not, then why are you so concerned that illegal aliens be treated like legal immigrants?
Do you see no difference between legal and illegal?
Do you think that because they are brown like you that you have more in common with illegal brown skin aliens than your WASP (and other)American citizens?
If so then it is you who with the race problem and "Brownskin Bigot" is a good nickname for you.
You moved into an Anglo country and then object to all the WASPS and Gringoes here speaking English. Why did you not move to some country full of loving Brown skin people who would welcome you as one of their own- with NO RACISM?
You had a choice between 2 Anglo countries and 23 Latin countries and you chose one of the two Anglo ones.
WHY?

You have it backwards...again, reading comprehension, get some. I didn't move here, moron. I was born here. I am being facetious when I call myself Brown. You would never call me White, because I am not. I read/speak/write in Spanish and although that is an asset in today's global economy, many Americans can't stand it. I enjoy my Mexican Heritage as much as my American Heritage. Yes, somethings about American Heritage (WASP Heritage) I cannot relate to, because I am not White, I didn't grow up in a White household or a White neighborhood. The thing that I object to is the fact that when you talk about Illegal Immigrants you have a certain predisposition to what they are supposed to look like. Well, I look like that too, yet you would judge me first before giving me(and millions of others) the benefit of a doubt. It is evident by the words that you choose that you don't distinguish between the two. That is what I object to.

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Actually not a bad post for you!

Oh yeah, Thanks!

[mikemike]

Southerner are smart they see whats happening is CALIFORNIA, cities are going BANKRUPT,Stockton ,San bernidino,Compton and this lists are getting longer,These are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SANCTUARY cities also,thoese liberals have sold the american people out,Now these illeglas have cost thoses leberals there jobs.and i dont feel any compassion for these liberal sellouts.lets see if the mexican govt give these liberal sell-out a job.

[mikemike]

El Guapo89 wrote:

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Refresh my memory....or better yet, refresh your own memory...Your ancestors came here for what reason? People have come to the US for the same reasons for generations.

I hope you dont think were suppose to starve to feed every illegal immigrant that crosses the border,mexicos not a poor country,go fight your corrupt leaders and demand your rightful place in your homeland,dont go to another country thats full to the brim with illegal immigrants,and try to fight for rights.

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Juan wrote:

We are only here to provide a better life for ourselves and our families. If you look you'd see that undocumented workers get nothing from the government. Now the children born here are citizens and deserve any government assistance they can get. I have a girlfriend who is undocumented and has two children who were born here, she gets help because of the children, not because she is undocumented.

look dummy if shes undocumented and shes older than the anchor babies=illegal immigrant

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El Guapo89 wrote:

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I tell you what. I would wholeheartedly support deportation of any illegal immigrants who are on welfare. If they made every American that drew some sort of welfare do a job for their gov. check, then we wouldn't need those illegals you guys are always bashing.

Why should we as citizens make any kind of deal so illegal alien foreigners can stay here. If illegal aliens are on welfare or not, it's illegal for them just to be here. If Americans draw welfare that's America's business and has nothing to do with any foreigners.

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Je lai baisee wrote:

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So why are you expecting the Mexican government to be compassionate to other central American?
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Why do you demand Iran, Syria, and others to be compassionate? Why don't you go home yourself and stop defecating crap on others and on their land?
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Perhaps when a stupid gringo is dismembered, you should avoid the area to? Don't like it, go home!

Your comment what be more meaningful if it had a point.

Again if illegal aliens don't like the way they are treated here because they are illegal aliens, go home. You're free to leave anytime and return to the country of your birth and the country that your countryman created.