Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Cleveland, OH

#23544 Feb 21, 2013
Seq#.......Mark Value....... Starting%...Ending%...Starting Point...Ending Point
1..........4..........98...... ... 109..........4..........4
2..........4..........93...... ....97.99..........4.......... 4
3..........3.7..........90 ..........92.99.......... 3.7.......... 3.99
4..........3.3..........87.... ......89.99.......... 3.3.......... 3.69
5..........3..........83...... ....86.99.......... 3.......... 3.29
6..........2.7.......... 80.......... 82.99.......... 2.7.......... 2.99
7..........2.3..........77.... ...... 79.99.......... 2.3.......... 2.69
8..........2 ..........73..........76.99... ....... 2.......... 2.29
9..........1.7.......... 70..........72.99.......... 1.7..........1.99
10..........1.3.......... 67.......... 69.99.......... 1.3.......... 1.69
11..........1.......... 63.......... 66.99.......... 1.......... 1.29
12..........0.7.......... 60.......... 62.99.......... 0.7.......... 0.99
13..........0.......... 0..........59.99..........0... .......0.69

Springboro High School Grading Schedule from the Springboro Progress Book. Conversion of class percentage mastered into a GPA weighting number.

93% Looks to be the bottom edge of the A range
83% Looks to be the bottom edge of the B range
73% Looks to be the bottom edge of the C range
63% Looks to be the bottom edge of the D range
62.99 and below looks to be the F range

Let's look at our Ohio Graduation Tests and our Ohio Achievement Assessment tests with the same criteria applied to the results.

Provided is the information gleaned from the ODE website

Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test

Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.

(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient range would have meant they absolutely failed)

Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.

Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient and some Accelerated ranges would have meant they absolutely failed)

They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.

Over 2000 students are receiving a less than adequate education in our schools. The state and our school administrators wish to paper over this fact with sweet smelling semantics about how many of our children scored Proficient or better

The principals in these schools know what they are purveying is half truth, yet recite it with straight faces as yet another class graduates with less of an education than we, the taxpayers, funded.

It is time for an infusion of new ideas that truly pursue excellence rather than state minimum standards.
Adults

Lebanon, OH

#23545 Feb 21, 2013
Time to stop posting about minors on Topix!!!! Seriously?!... classy...
Boro Taxpayers Two

Piqua, OH

#23546 Feb 21, 2013
Boro Tax Payer wrote:
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.
I am all of a merit based system. However, the manner in which these changes are being made will devastate our school district in the short term and long term by loosing the teachers who have helped to make our district a success. This is NOT putting our kids first, but putting their personal agendas first under the guise of our kids. In an attempt to try to reform the system, they in turn push out those that would excel under a merit based system. Very sad. So NO THANK YOU Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano. Looking forward to the next round of voting. We need a balance of educators and business people on our school board who can work together, with the best interest of our children and community at heart, and not bully our district.
Our status quo board member, Don Miller, is the only "bully in chief" representative currently "just sitting" on the board, now for his 8th year of non-service to our children first; just promoting the OEA/SEA indoctrination of our students to revolt against school board authority (so sad), fighting against Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners, in his severely misguided efforts to greater empower the SEA's control over our kids' classroom teachers and our school tax dollars. So sad, Don Miller publicly states that his understanding of his role as an elected board repreentative is to protect public schools; (and we all know that means protecting the teachers union agenda to put adults-first needs into our school budget, leaving our kids needs behind to make do with the leftovers.)
No way that's going to happen!

Don Miller seeks to REVERSE the achievements made by our reform-minded BOE elected officials implementation of our children first budgeting new philosophy, to his same old status quo tunnel vision that Springboro schools are as good as can ever be, and all that we should do is simply rest on our laurels that our schools have been excellent, and excellent with distinction, and we should all "come together now and just love us some donuts having a nice day with just us Insiders; without expanding our children's future by bringing in OUTSIDERS from the community who do not agree with Don Miller's status quo ignorance of "just promoting a continuous stream of unnecessay levies, based on a false school budget crisis."

Don Miller is the only board member left "sitting" that voted for high pay to play fees and activities fees (instead of asking tough questions as to WHY?)

Don Miller is the only board member left "sitting" that voted five times to promote unnecessary levies; once costing Boro Taxpayers an extra $30,000 for a special election held during the month of summer vacation month of August.

Don Miller is the only board member left "sitting" that voted AGAINST our children first "five year forecast" and our children first budget.

Don Miller is the only board member left "sitting" on the board who has proven to Boro Taxpayers that his SEA adult-first status quo philosophy is harmful to our school children and community; and Boro Taxpayers have rejected his leadership philosophy;
and now it is time for Miller to go; joining others who "have been" board members supportive of the adult-first philosophy of the public school teachers union.

Don Miller is the only Springboro school board member who should be voted out of office in November 2013.
miller thyme

Piqua, OH

#23547 Feb 21, 2013
Boro Tax Payer wrote:
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.
I am all of a merit based system. However, the manner in which these changes are being made will devastate our school district in the short term and long term by loosing the teachers who have helped to make our district a success. This is NOT putting our kids first, but putting their personal agendas first under the guise of our kids. In an attempt to try to reform the system, they in turn push out those that would excel under a merit based system. Very sad. So NO THANK YOU Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano. Looking forward to the next round of voting. We need a balance of educators and business people on our school board who can work together, with the best interest of our children and community at heart, and not bully our district.
Mr. Don Miller, we certainly do appreciate your input. However, it's now time for you to return to your grammar and annunciation tutor.
Lets see

Springboro, OH

#23548 Feb 21, 2013
Franklin gets $2,734 per pupil from State funding.
Springboro gets $1,761 per pupil from State funding.
The new budget will give Franklin steady funding for the next two years
Springboro will get $273 more per pupil each of the next two years.

Franklin will still get $2,734/pupil.
Springboro will now get $2,034 /pupil.

Seems fair when you consider that Springboro pays enormous taxes to supplement these other districts. I think they call this redistribution and now, the makers get a little less robbed.
Question4u

Brighton, MI

#23549 Feb 21, 2013
How does Springboro supplement these other districts?
Read It and Weep

Piqua, OH

#23550 Feb 21, 2013
Answer to Question4u

Should the White House control what your kids learn?
By Stanley Kurtz
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/07/sho...
Editor's note: this piece is adapted from "Spreading the Wealth: How Obama is Robbing the Suburbs to Pay for the Cities " (Sentinel HC August 2012).
Scaled Scores

Brighton, MI

#23551 Feb 21, 2013
Springboro High School Grading Schedule from the Springboro Progress Book. Conversion of class percentage mastered into a GPA weighting number.
93% Looks to be the bottom edge of the A range
83% Looks to be the bottom edge of the B range
73% Looks to be the bottom edge of the C range
63% Looks to be the bottom edge of the D range
62.99 and below looks to be the F range
Let's look at our Ohio Graduation Tests and our Ohio Achievement Assessment tests with the same criteria applied to the results.
Provided is the information gleaned from the ODE website
Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test
Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.
(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient range would have meant they absolutely failed)
Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.
Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
(In a class at our high school those scoring in the Proficient and some Accelerated ranges would have meant they absolutely failed)
They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
Over 2000 students are receiving a less than adequate education in our schools. The state and our school administrators wish to paper over this fact with sweet smelling semantics about how many of our children scored Proficient or better
The principals in these schools know what they are purveying is half truth, yet recite it with straight faces as yet another class graduates with less of an education than we, the taxpayers, funded.
It is time for an infusion of new ideas that truly pursue excellence rather than state minimum standards

If you achieve a 70% on a professional test to sell insurance and stocks you're approved to do so. You need a 75% on your boards to become a nurse. To get into grad school you need a 76% on the MAT. On the LSAT you need a score in the 80s. Quit comparing these scores to the percentage you receive for coursework, they are not related. It's a scaled score. Even baseball players that hit 33% of the time are All Stars!!!
inquiring minds

Girard, OH

#23552 Feb 21, 2013
Boro Tax Payer wrote:
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.
I am all of a merit based system. However, the manner in which these changes are being made will devastate our school district in the short term and long term by loosing the teachers who have helped to make our district a success. This is NOT putting our kids first, but putting their personal agendas first under the guise of our kids. In an attempt to try to reform the system, they in turn push out those that would excel under a merit based system. Very sad. So NO THANK YOU Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and Mr. Rigano.
You're telling us there are loose teachers in Springboro's schools? C'mon! Spill out some names! Inquiring minds want to know!
No More Status Quo

Piqua, OH

#23553 Feb 21, 2013
"The principals in these schools know what they are purveying is half truth, yet recite it with straight faces as yet another class graduates with less of an education than we, the taxpayers, funded.
It is time for an infusion of new ideas that truly pursue excellence rather than state minimum standards" .......

No More Status Quo

OEA/SEA Indoctrination/Politics of social justice for Teachers Unions in our kid's classrooms has to go....

SHS Principal Ron Malone has to go....

Longest time "sitting on the board" status quo BOE member Don Miller has to go.....

(Not wise to try infusion of new wine in old wineskins).
BOE

Dayton, OH

#23554 Feb 21, 2013
What a joke I just saw my kids course offerings for the high school. BOE let's see you get out of this one as all social studies electives for next year were cut. All of these courses were college prep and met the requirements for NCAA clearinghouse. Can't be money because you added PE courses. Yes everyone the BOE replaced academic courses with additional PE courses. If PE is the new BOE agenda save it for your conversion school. You can make it the Springboro PE Academy. Maybe with more A's in PE GPA's will go up? BOE I know your out there (as most of you are on here posting.) BOE you have reached a new low replacing college level courses with additional PE offers. These are the same board members who talked about how more history should be taught in public schools. What a slap in the face! I'm pretty sure Oakwood, Centerville, Mason, Kings, Solon, or any other top school district in the state is not replacing academic course offerings with PE. BOE if this is your answer to raising student achievement you are the joke!!!
Name

Cincinnati, OH

#23555 Feb 21, 2013
I want to know how cutting the academic classes that children take is "putting the children first." They cut all the academic electives.

To the previous writer, I don't think they will add more gym classes. They will just continue increasing class sizes at the high school. My daughter already has 34 kids in her English class and 30 in her science class. Pathetic.
Its True

Dayton, OH

#23556 Feb 21, 2013
Name wrote:
I want to know how cutting the academic classes that children take is "putting the children first." They cut all the academic electives.
To the previous writer, I don't think they will add more gym classes. They will just continue increasing class sizes at the high school. My daughter already has 34 kids in her English class and 30 in her science class. Pathetic.
The BOE added PE Team Sports & PE Individual Sports and as you stated cut several of the academic college prep electives.
New BOE Motto

Dayton, OH

#23557 Feb 21, 2013
Just in the BOE is replacing "Children First" with "Fitness First" Can't wait to hear how they spin this. I'm sure it's all the "union thugs" they like to use as scapegoats fault somehow.
No OEA Indoctrination

Piqua, OH

#23558 Feb 21, 2013
BOE wrote:
What a joke I just saw my kids course offerings for the high school. BOE let's see you get out of this one as all social studies electives for next year were cut. All of these courses were college prep and met the requirements for NCAA clearinghouse. Can't be money because you added PE courses. Yes everyone the BOE replaced academic courses with additional PE courses. If PE is the new BOE agenda save it for your conversion school. You can make it the Springboro PE Academy. Maybe with more A's in PE GPA's will go up? BOE I know your out there (as most of you are on here posting.) BOE you have reached a new low replacing college level courses with additional PE offers. These are the same board members who talked about how more history should be taught in public schools. What a slap in the face! I'm pretty sure Oakwood, Centerville, Mason, Kings, Solon, or any other top school district in the state is not replacing academic course offerings with PE. BOE if this is your answer to raising student achievement you are the joke!!!
Hmmmm... social studies OR unionism indoctrination?

WE all remember the hizzy fit thrown by the union-supported community activists during last year because they were so angry that the union-supported school board candidates lost the election;that our union had thought would put them in better position for negotiations.
These district union members had spent their money and many hours working to get these candidates elected in November 2011; and when the union school board candidates lost the BOE election, they turned their anger against our three strong, moral, reform minded BOE members into the destructive energy of an almost "stalking mentality" with cameras turned on the winning board members during every public meeting; and blogs spreading lies, rumors and innuendoes launched against them.
Now here we are, one year later, and these three strong, moral, reform-minded BOE elected officials are still being relentlessly stalked by the union activists, who are still trying to render ineffective the achievements of this BOE majority, and still trying to take away the authority of the board representatives people that Springboro voters elected to represent us.
People, don't be fooled by these continuing false accusations that our BOE majority does not have our kids first best interest as their number one priority. We know that we did the right thing by electing three strong, moral, community supporters who are doing the right thing for the children and the taxpayers.
We know that we appreciate the 2012 achievements accomplished for our children first, and we stand firm in our continued support of our reform minded board members new philosophy of change, that is needed for our children's future.
size isnt the problem

Girard, OH

#23559 Feb 21, 2013
Name wrote:
I want to know how cutting the academic classes that children take is "putting the children first." They cut all the academic electives.
To the previous writer, I don't think they will add more gym classes. They will just continue increasing class sizes at the high school. My daughter already has 34 kids in her English class and 30 in her science class. Pathetic.
Oh, please! Stop the whining about class sizes! The average European and Asian class size ranges between 32-38 students. It's extremely well documented that K-12 education in many of those nations is at least equal to, or has exceeded America's.
Facing Problems

Piqua, OH

#23560 Feb 21, 2013
Schools in Ohio have a spending problem
Letter writer William S. McDowall is correct to blame our politicians for Ohio’s school-funding crisis and the increasing levy fatigue throughout our state. However, while he thinks "unconstitutional” funding is the problem, it is the skyrocketing employee costs for which we should fault our legislators (“ Lawmakers must remedy school funding,” Jan. 27).
Most notably, in 1983, Ohio Democrats granted the teachers unions the right to strike against students and communities for better pay and benefits.
This has ultimately resulted in decades of the unions demanding teacher raises averaging 5 percent to 6 percent annually, nearly twice that awarded typical Ohio workers. In addition, the unions expect nearly free employee health care, regardless of its cost, and million-dollar pensions for just 30 years of nine-month employment.
Our lawmakers also have mandated that teachers have a master’s degree. Yes, this may sound great, but unfortunately it only guarantees larger salaries for teachers and higher costs for the community, with no guarantee (or evidence) of increased performance in the schools.
Finally, to exaggerate the expense problem it helped create, the legislature eventually offered huge pension bonuses for teachers who worked beyond 30 years.
This not only drove up salary and benefit costs to keep costly long-tenured teachers, but it also made it very difficult for Ohio’s young teachers to find work. Yes, Ohio’s legislature is largely responsible for our school-funding crisis, but it has little to do with funding, and much more to do with spending. And we will not solve this problem until a majority of Ohioans and the unions accept that simple fact.
In the meantime, the unions will reject needed change, push for new funding (levies), and quietly watch as school boards dismantle programs and cut services because the generous union contracts of the past are no longer sustainable.
MICHAEL ALFRED
just ask the SHS kids

Girard, OH

#23561 Feb 21, 2013
BOE wrote:
What a joke I just saw my kids course offerings for the high school. BOE let's see you get out of this one as all social studies electives for next year were cut. All of these courses were college prep and met the requirements for NCAA clearinghouse. Can't be money because you added PE courses. Yes everyone the BOE replaced academic courses with additional PE courses. If PE is the new BOE agenda save it for your conversion school. You can make it the Springboro PE Academy. Maybe with more A's in PE GPA's will go up? BOE I know your out there (as most of you are on here posting.) BOE you have reached a new low replacing college level courses with additional PE offers. These are the same board members who talked about how more history should be taught in public schools. What a slap in the face! I'm pretty sure Oakwood, Centerville, Mason, Kings, Solon, or any other top school district in the state is not replacing academic course offerings with PE. BOE if this is your answer to raising student achievement you are the joke!!!
Q) What is a "gym class" at Springboro High School?
A) A barely supervised study hall without chairs and desks
Scoffer

Piqua, OH

#23562 Feb 21, 2013
size isnt the problem wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, please! Stop the whining about class sizes! The average European and Asian class size ranges between 32-38 students. It's extremely well documented that K-12 education in many of those nations is at least equal to, or has exceeded America's.
The small minded ones complaining about class sizes are the same ones complaining that we need more union teachers in our public schools so that more union teachers are paying union dues
supporting the liberal political agenda of union/community activists.
Not Smart

Yellow Springs, OH

#23563 Feb 21, 2013
No OEA Indoctrination wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm... social studies OR unionism indoctrination?
WE all remember the hizzy fit thrown by the union-supported community activists during last year because they were so angry that the union-supported school board candidates lost the election;that our union had thought would put them in better position for negotiations.
These district union members had spent their money and many hours working to get these candidates elected in November 2011; and when the union school board candidates lost the BOE election, they turned their anger against our three strong, moral, reform minded BOE members into the destructive energy of an almost "stalking mentality" with cameras turned on the winning board members during every public meeting; and blogs spreading lies, rumors and innuendoes launched against them.
Now here we are, one year later, and these three strong, moral, reform-minded BOE elected officials are still being relentlessly stalked by the union activists, who are still trying to render ineffective the achievements of this BOE majority, and still trying to take away the authority of the board representatives people that Springboro voters elected to represent us.
People, don't be fooled by these continuing false accusations that our BOE majority does not have our kids first best interest as their number one priority. We know that we did the right thing by electing three strong, moral, community supporters who are doing the right thing for the children and the taxpayers.
We know that we appreciate the 2012 achievements accomplished for our children first, and we stand firm in our continued support of our reform minded board members new philosophy of change, that is needed for our children's future.
YOUR BOE just cut academic classes at the high school. How is that putting children first??

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