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nirvana

Germantown, OH

#22750 Dec 11, 2012
Mixed wrote:
Are these slush funds proven or just something the board made up? I'm only asking because of videos certain board members are the stars of have outright lies in them.
Wise men, when in doubt whether to speak or keep quiet,
give themselves the benefit of the doubt, and remain silent.

- Napoleon Hill
Do U C What I C

Piqua, OH

#22751 Dec 11, 2012
Mixed wrote:
Are these slush funds proven or just something the board made up? I'm only asking because of videos certain board members are the stars of have outright lies in them.
http://www.springborosun.com/2012/07/boosters...

The way some voters see it, the Boosters Board claiming "St. Victimhood" and publicly falsely accusing BOE elected officials of "committing a sin" IF the BOE does not bend to the Bully Boosters will... is proof that the Boosters Board members,and their supporters, are the ones spreading lies.
Voters will remember "which one is lying" when our school superintendent's "chosen ones" (including District Parent Council Member/Booster Board Member Tiffany Carlisle) come rallying throughout Boro for renewal levy votes.
Do U C What I C

Piqua, OH

#22752 Dec 11, 2012
You may have some difficulty (as I do) finding information on the new school website; if so, maybe the following will help get you to the link to this recent meeting's minutes.

http://www.springboro.org/userfiles/12/11-27-...

In the minutes you will see that school superintendent mentions state takeover if...

just a thought that hasn't been considered before....don't know what state takeover means; but it could mean the only way our school district can get to the truth about what's wrong in our school sports program and booster board mismanagement in the past. Just can't see folks forgetting about what we have learned and then just look the other way by "moving forward together" with a renewal levy. Sometimes "loosing it all is the first step in putting it back together again."
We do have to consider that we will give our "stamp of approval" (IF we vote renewal)
to several current school employees who have been active in this scamming our sports since it began with pay to play increased fees in 2009 (AFTER the voters approved the 2008 Renewal Levy).
non truth of police chief

Germantown, OH

#22753 Dec 11, 2012
Do U C What I C wrote:
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http://www.springborosun.com/2012/07/boosters...
The way some voters see it, the Boosters Board claiming "St. Victimhood" and publicly falsely accusing BOE elected officials of "committing a sin" IF the BOE does not bend to the Bully Boosters will... is proof that the Boosters Board members,and their supporters, are the ones spreading lies.
Voters will remember "which one is lying" when our school superintendent's "chosen ones" (including District Parent Council Member/Booster Board Member Tiffany Carlisle) come rallying throughout Boro for renewal levy votes.
Springboro Police Chief Jeff Kruithoff said he could not confirm or deny that an investigation is underway.“As a general rule, we do not normally comment on any police investigations we are involved in until indictment, case closure or unless we are requesting people to step forward to assist,” he said.

http://www.springborosun.com/2012/07/boosters...
The Way I C It

Piqua, OH

#22754 Dec 11, 2012
It is believed by many voters throughout our school district that our school district administrators spread lies about closing down Jonathan Wright Elementary to SAVE taxpayers money; when in fact it was the state auditor that recommended closing the building because the few students attending did not merit the expense to taxpayers; and these students were reassigned to another building. Not sure about FACTS, but wasn't this about TWO years ago that school administrators, who were promoting a new levy, told us they were closing the building; and isn't it true that the building is STILL open to the public as a community church and activity center; and is not being used for classroom education?
Why has this building NOT been sold? Isn't the taxpayer still absorbing the costs of insurance, maintenance, etc. and at taxpayers' expense?
Just think about the new busses that are needed that could be bought right now; and imagine the financial boost that this money could give the school district's "required" tech program in our children's classrooms.
Is there no requirement from the state on the time frame that a public school building can just sit on the taxpayers' backs while the facilities are folded into a springboro community center?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22755 Dec 11, 2012
Mixed wrote:
Care to explain how the coaches didn't spend your money like you thought they should?
It is really hard to answer that question in that it requires an honest accounting of all the funds in question. Right now no such accounting exists. If someone is running a straight program, there would be no need to conceal the truth from anyone. Why those in charge feel the need to be less than up front about their finances is beyond me.

The only reason I could see for hiding your books is that there is something inside that you would rather not share with the taxpayers.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22756 Dec 11, 2012
The Way I C It wrote:
It is believed by many voters throughout our school district that our school district administrators spread lies about closing down Jonathan Wright Elementary to SAVE taxpayers money; when in fact it was the state auditor that recommended closing the building because the few students attending did not merit the expense to taxpayers; and these students were reassigned to another building. Not sure about FACTS, but wasn't this about TWO years ago that school administrators, who were promoting a new levy, told us they were closing the building; and isn't it true that the building is STILL open to the public as a community church and activity center; and is not being used for classroom education?
Why has this building NOT been sold? Isn't the taxpayer still absorbing the costs of insurance, maintenance, etc. and at taxpayers' expense?
Just think about the new busses that are needed that could be bought right now; and imagine the financial boost that this money could give the school district's "required" tech program in our children's classrooms.
Is there no requirement from the state on the time frame that a public school building can just sit on the taxpayers' backs while the facilities are folded into a springboro community center?
The building was mothballed, and leased out. We now as a district make a small amount over and above its mothball overhead costs. This situation allows the district to maintain a building in its inventory. In the event future growth requires more classrooms, we have it immediately available to us. In the meantime someone else is utilizing the space and paying the bills.
Get Real

Piqua, OH

#22757 Dec 11, 2012
Just Watching wrote:
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The building was mothballed, and leased out. We now as a district make a small amount over and above its mothball overhead costs. This situation allows the district to maintain a building in its inventory. In the event future growth requires more classrooms, we have it immediately available to us. In the meantime someone else is utilizing the space and paying the bills.
Just isn't in the best interest of school district taxpayers to maintain old buildings in inventory. Why not sell the facility if there is no need for classrooms? Too much administrative time is taken up managing these "outside the children's classrooms" businesses. Perhaps our superintendent will open discussion up on this as we think on renewal levy next year? Voters need to take a closer look at maintenance expense of "rental property" as we try to better understand exactly how much money a "quality classroom education" for our children's future actually costs taxpayers.
bodisattva

Germantown, OH

#22758 Dec 11, 2012
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
The building was mothballed, and leased out. We now as a district make a small amount over and above its mothball overhead costs. This situation allows the district to maintain a building in its inventory. In the event future growth requires more classrooms, we have it immediately available to us. In the meantime someone else is utilizing the space and paying the bills.
A non-profit church meets in the back. Every other Tuesday afternoon the Springboro Food Bank operates out of the front. Looks like bunches of kids sometimes play around in the gym. Hmmm.... I can't imagine sufficient revenue being generated there to keep the floors swept, lights on and AC / boilers running.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22759 Dec 12, 2012
bodisattva wrote:
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A non-profit church meets in the back. Every other Tuesday afternoon the Springboro Food Bank operates out of the front. Looks like bunches of kids sometimes play around in the gym. Hmmm.... I can't imagine sufficient revenue being generated there to keep the floors swept, lights on and AC / boilers running.
Yet for now they do, and a small profit is enjoyed by the district. Seems as though we have a win/win situation for a change.
Deamoncrats

Springboro, OH

#22760 Dec 12, 2012
The Way I C It wrote:
It is believed by many voters throughout our school district that our school district administrators spread lies about closing down Jonathan Wright Elementary to SAVE taxpayers money; when in fact it was the state auditor that recommended closing the building because the few students attending did not merit the expense to taxpayers; and these students were reassigned to another building. Not sure about FACTS, but wasn't this about TWO years ago that school administrators, who were promoting a new levy, told us they were closing the building; and isn't it true that the building is STILL open to the public as a community church and activity center; and is not being used for classroom education?
Why has this building NOT been sold? Isn't the taxpayer still absorbing the costs of insurance, maintenance, etc. and at taxpayers' expense?
Just think about the new busses that are needed that could be bought right now; and imagine the financial boost that this money could give the school district's "required" tech program in our children's classrooms.
Is there no requirement from the state on the time frame that a public school building can just sit on the taxpayers' backs while the facilities are folded into a springboro community center?
Don't forget that DDN said countless times that this pooooor school has cut expenses so much that they had to close a building sob sob sob. They perpetuated the false sob story implying that it was done as a very sad state of affairs to save the district. This is when I knew exactly what DDN was and they were the liars and progressives we have grown to hate. DDN has totally slapped the citizens that read their tabloid in the face and absolutely lied to them while trying to promote more government, more spending and strengthen union controls. Thankfully the Springboro voters are far smarter than anyone at DDN.
Tell It Like It Is

Piqua, OH

#22761 Dec 12, 2012
bodisattva wrote:
<quoted text>
A non-profit church meets in the back. Every other Tuesday afternoon the Springboro Food Bank operates out of the front. Looks like bunches of kids sometimes play around in the gym. Hmmm.... I can't imagine sufficient revenue being generated there to keep the floors swept, lights on and AC / boilers running.
The Springboro Food Bank pays nothing in rent to the district since the church pastor agreed to share his rented church space with the food bank. That sounds like "two for one" to many district taxpayers that believe our school district buildings should be used for classroom education; and not to financially accommodate "non-profit" community centers.

While differing opinions are to be respected regarding the future use of the JW building; many believe it is the responsibility of our school district administrators and BOE elected officials to identify the NEEDS of our students that could be better met, individually, in special classroom education that our district has opportunity to offer through the productive use of this JW school building. Our school and community members need a lot more educating of these opportunities; and if it is proven that there are no special education needs that can be met by use of the JW building; then we should consider the advantages to the district of selling the building; and stop the non-profit rental business.
hungry heart

Germantown, OH

#22762 Dec 12, 2012
Tell It Like It Is wrote:
<quoted text>
The Springboro Food Bank pays nothing in rent to the district since the church pastor agreed to share his rented church space with the food bank. That sounds like "two for one" to many district taxpayers that believe our school district buildings should be used for classroom education; and not to financially accommodate "non-profit" community centers.
While differing opinions are to be respected regarding the future use of the JW building; many believe it is the responsibility of our school district administrators and BOE elected officials to identify the NEEDS of our students that could be better met, individually, in special classroom education that our district has opportunity to offer through the productive use of this JW school building. Our school and community members need a lot more educating of these opportunities; and if it is proven that there are no special education needs that can be met by use of the JW building; then we should consider the advantages to the district of selling the building; and stop the non-profit rental business.
Speaking of the Springboro Food Bank, are there volunteers over there in charge of screening folks for their level of need? The last few weeks I've noticed some grocery carts being loaded into some pretty decent looking luxury late model cars.
Food bank

Oxford, MI

#22763 Dec 12, 2012
Like in everything else, springboro people don't want to use the already established warren county services. There is already a fully operational foodbank run by the Franklin Area Community Services and funded by the United Way. It has been operating since 1979 as a 501 C 3 nonprofit and serves springboro, franklin, Carlisle, and franklin township and clearcreek township.
It is well run and has regular donations from local grocery stores, restauraunts and groups and individuals.

So, why does Springboro have to have their own food bank, at the expense of the taxpayers when there is already the same service available? If you need help in Springboro, are you "too good" to have to go to Franklin?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22764 Dec 13, 2012
After listening to the presentation given at the last school board meeting I think there may be another use for that building that not only enhances school revenues, but allows our best and brightest to become fully immersed within a truly gifted program.

Could be the beginning of the future of education in Springboro.
Answer

Piqua, OH

#22765 Dec 13, 2012
Food bank wrote:
Like in everything else, springboro people don't want to use the already established warren county services. There is already a fully operational foodbank run by the Franklin Area Community Services and funded by the United Way. It has been operating since 1979 as a 501 C 3 nonprofit and serves springboro, franklin, Carlisle, and franklin township and clearcreek township.
It is well run and has regular donations from local grocery stores, restauraunts and groups and individuals.
So, why does Springboro have to have their own food bank, at the expense of the taxpayers when there is already the same service available? If you need help in Springboro, are you "too good" to have to go to Franklin?
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the hot air expounded by the city council member/local pastor. It is understood that the food bank was started by the city council member/pastor's church; but then was transferred to the city government under the "wings" of the Springboro Community Assistance program, and under the direction of the Springboro School employee, Wendy Ford (who at last check was earning a hefty $60,000 plus handsome benefits packages off the school district taxpayers.
It is understood that this food bank was first moved into Clearcreek elementary; and according to local newspapers, Wendy Ford had disputes with volunteers at the time and then the volunteers were pushed out; later the Springboro Community Assitance was highlighted in the local paper detailing the new location at Jonathan Wright and the volunteer service of a local interior designer who would make the center attractive and colorful for the poor and hungry Springborians coming in for help from the government program.
Clearly the answer is yes, the food bank duplicates services that are widely available through county services and churches/charitable services; but for some silly reason our "affluent" community of Springboro offers "designer charity."
Food bank

Lebanon, OH

#22766 Dec 13, 2012
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the hot air expounded by the city council member/local pastor. It is understood that the food bank was started by the city council member/pastor's church; but then was transferred to the city government under the "wings" of the Springboro Community Assistance program, and under the direction of the Springboro School employee, Wendy Ford (who at last check was earning a hefty $60,000 plus handsome benefits packages off the school district taxpayers.
It is understood that this food bank was first moved into Clearcreek elementary; and according to local newspapers, Wendy Ford had disputes with volunteers at the time and then the volunteers were pushed out; later the Springboro Community Assitance was highlighted in the local paper detailing the new location at Jonathan Wright and the volunteer service of a local interior designer who would make the center attractive and colorful for the poor and hungry Springborians coming in for help from the government program.
Clearly the answer is yes, the food bank duplicates services that are widely available through county services and churches/charitable services; but for some silly reason our "affluent" community of Springboro offers "designer charity."
Since "designer charity" is using the taxpayers money to provide space in JW, the BOE should reconsider the rationale that is being used by those who insist that JW is self supporting. First, I don't believe the church is paying enough to cover upkeep, heat, air conditioning in summer, security of building, cost of janitors, insurance, regular maintenance, snow removal, grass mowing and all other expense items in keeping a building of that size open and running.
Second, duplication of efforts for a food pantry system that is already operating well in the county is a waste of time and money. If you need help, people and organizations are there to help. But there is no need to duplicate systems already in place so that the "poor Springborians who have lost their jobs, through no fault of their own, and live in ritzy subdivisions, but can't afford food" don't have to demean themselves by driving to Franklin.
Has anyone considered the tax consequences of the school running a "business" by making money renting a building that is not in service as a school.
Status Quo Has to Go

Piqua, OH

#22767 Dec 13, 2012
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet for now they do, and a small profit is enjoyed by the district. Seems as though we have a win/win situation for a change.
It is time for our REFORM-MINDED majority of Springboro Schools Board of Education members to educate Springboro voters, dispelling this La-La Boro myth that all we have to do is hunker down and rest on our laurels because we have a "win/win situation for a change."
This is the tired OLD out-dated mindset of pro-union BOE member Don Miller, expressed way back in March, when the Springboro Teachers Union tried throwing out of office our BOE majority of reform minded elected officials.
Don Miller and the SEA officials and Union first supporters continue their efforts to keep Springboro Schools left behind "the opportunities of a 21st Century education" by clinging to status quo "collective bargaining rights" that are over a quarter century OLD.
Now, "FOR A CHANGE" we currently have a reform minded BOE majority with the expertise to lead our schools and community ONWARD to greater achievements.
The "Change" that school district Voters rally for in Springboro is FREEDOM! from "being pushed forward together" with the same old status quo teachers union agenda to gain greater power and control of our school tax dollars by resisting any productive action of REFORM in the best interest of our children's future.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#22768 Dec 13, 2012
Test standards from the ODE website. The Standards shows the translation betwenn raw scores on each test and the final scale translation. How this translation is accomplished I have no idea, but obfuscation would seem to be its ultimate goal. Effectively each test has 38 questions (items) some are worth 1 point, others 2, some 3 0r 4. Your raw score is determined by what combination of these questions you answer correctly.

Math for instance, 46 possible points available

score 34.5-46 correct answers - 75%-100%- labeled Advanced
28.0-34 correct answers - 61%-74%- labeled Accelerated
19.5-27.5 correct answers - 42%-60%- labeled Proficient
14.0-19.0 correct answers - 30%-41%- labeled Basic
0.0-13.5 correct answers - 0%-29%- labeled Limited

After observing the way the audience applauded when told that 85% of one school was proficient, I felt it was time to define what proficient actually represents.

How many parents in this district slap their kid on the back when they come home with a 48% on a test and tell them how proud they are of their accomplishment?

We have the resources, the parents, and the teachers to do so much better.

Our goal and focus should be to drive every child into the 75-100% range, anything short of that is failure on all of our parts.
Why are we celebrating failure as our goal?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#22769 Dec 13, 2012
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the hot air expounded by the city council member/local pastor. It is understood that the food bank was started by the city council member/pastor's church; but then was transferred to the city government under the "wings" of the Springboro Community Assistance program, and under the direction of the Springboro School employee, Wendy Ford (who at last check was earning a hefty $60,000 plus handsome benefits packages off the school district taxpayers.
It is understood that this food bank was first moved into Clearcreek elementary; and according to local newspapers, Wendy Ford had disputes with volunteers at the time and then the volunteers were pushed out; later the Springboro Community Assitance was highlighted in the local paper detailing the new location at Jonathan Wright and the volunteer service of a local interior designer who would make the center attractive and colorful for the poor and hungry Springborians coming in for help from the government program.
Clearly the answer is yes, the food bank duplicates services that are widely available through county services and churches/charitable services; but for some silly reason our "affluent" community of Springboro offers "designer charity."
It is also a fact that Bruce Moore turned away food stuffs from a local bakery a few years ago because he had a hard-on for the person donating it. Man of the cloth?....PLEASEEEEE

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