Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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just a thought but since I get "slammed" blog for off topics - isn't different that the last 20 post have nothing to do with BOE rather the "athletic" groups. there is very little the BOE can do with that situation 4 moves away from BOE why doesn't BOE take the super to task to whom the admin can be taken to task to whom can take the coaches to task - OR may the BOE fires the lot and starts again. the coaches contracts are at fault. Much like the teachers contracts.$4.00 per gal of gas and we as voters are being taken on all planes.
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just a thought but since I get "slammed" blog for off topics - isn't different that the last 20 post have nothing to do with BOE rather the "athletic" groups. there is very little the BOE can do with that situation 4 moves away from BOE why doesn't BOE take the super to task to whom the admin can be taken to task to whom can take the coaches to task - OR may the BOE fires the lot and starts again. the coaches contracts are at fault. Much like the teachers contracts.$4.00 per gal of gas and we as voters are being taken on all planes.
I Agree With You.

A new organization chart of our local school government workers is now posted on the school website.
Only thing is... the School District Taxpayer should be shown as the head of the Springboro School district. As voters we elect the board representatives; who then have the responsibility to hire the the best Superintendent and Treasurer who will put our children's best interest first in all financial decisions.
While it's true that Mr. Petrey came on board, with Mr. Creager already on board as school Athletic Director, It is NOW Mr. Petrey's responsibility to Springboro families and taxpaying homewoners (who are paying Mr. Creager to properly lead our school athletic program) to dismiss Mr. Creager from his duties because, simply put, Mr. Creager's inept leadership has failed our children's best interest; and simply put, Mr. Creager and ALL
school employees (yes, even the great ones) who FAIL OUR CHILDREN now have to go.
Our school district and community will not begin healing as long as this "reasoning process" continues (by our close-knit community bullies and school employees slandering our school district leaders and district taxpayers) by protesting...
...there is a Boro coach way to do wrong the right way and get by with it.
These lies and false accusations being made against our strong school and community supporters (including Kohls, Petroni, and Rigano) by SCHOOL EMPLOYEES throughout our schools hallways, parking lots, community and sports events, public meetings, and througout our neighborhoods and business places, WILL only STOP when these school employees are dismissed.
Our school district's legal and ethical authority needs to take that next step toward a better future for our children "first
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Over-Taxed to the Max wrote:
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"The Township's carry over is now over 14 million dollars?"
And the "minutes" discussing the athletic field are not even posted? Is it true that the "official vote" to donate $100,000
of township property-owners money to the athletic field was taken in a meeting that was scheduled at 8:00 AM (and only after being cancelled a couple of times so that taxpayers would be less likely to attend and ask questions?) May or may not be true; but that's the word around town.
Township administrators and trustees should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their "Little Springboro" close-knit good ole boys to "cook" up this "big donation" with NO Scrutiny Allowed by the community as a whole.
(Two of the school districts "good ole boys" are now LONG gone; and it's a great day in Springboro to be SCOTT free of our status quo business as usual "board president.")
What lessons are learned by this careless mis-management of taxpayers money? Let's be Clear: We cannot trust MORE of our hard-earned money to Clearcreek Township leadership and be "Taken in" again in 2013 by Ed Wade's demand for a new "unnecessary" fire station!
We must take a stand AND demand that our government agencies STOP spending money that they don't have; AND then run a campaign of "fear" tactics against citizens IF we do not give in to demands to grown bigger government! We must take a stand and vote down ALL levies and vote out ALL elected officials who refuse to provide quality public services while living within the means of our financial resources with NO NEW TAXES.
Yes the General Fund carry over is over $14 Million for a township with only 9,000 residents. That's a BIG FLAG for overtaxing residents. The orginal donation I believe was $100,000.00 now it would appear the donation will be $1.01 MILLION from the June 27 minutes.
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Out of Money wrote:
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Yes the General Fund carry over is over $14 Million for a township with only 9,000 residents. That's a BIG FLAG for overtaxing residents. The orginal donation I believe was $100,000.00 now it would appear the donation will be $1.01 MILLION from the June 27 minutes.
city residents are part of the township.
Let Us Stay Focused

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A brilliantly simple solution would be for these coaches to simply comply and turn over the records in question. This would once and for all definitively prove your point on innocence. That would put an end to all of the speculation in regards to why they need lawyers to defend a summer camp.
Secondly, Springboro is not the daily living hell that some enjoy portraying. Many good people live and work here every day without a thought in the world about any of this nonsense. If you follow the policies and procedures that have often been in place for more than a decade, then everyone is fine. Only when we begin deviating from them we find that we run into trouble.
Three years ago they predicted cataclysmic events should the levy fail, it did anyway. Anybody notice that three more with the same predictions also failed in short order after that? The one we do need will be early next year, the renewal levy. If we don't pass that one we lose 25% of our operating budget and that is something we simply cannot do. No amount of levy alternatives will plug that hole in the budget. If I were in the SEA, I would begin working with the Board to ensure its passage rather than presenting a bilious public front against them. If we lose $9.2 million from the budget who will suffer first after the children? My guess in a union shop would be those with the least amount of seniority. Keep that in mind when you listen to who is doing the ranting, someone with 20 years in the district who is untouchable or someone who has less than five years into the program?
Thirdly, as any simple minded person would understand, nothing is selling for what it was four years ago. Businesses in this town are not closing because of our Board of Education or even the left wing of the teachers union, its the economy, its down. Railing against windmills gets you, nor anyone else, anywhere.
Excuse Me, but why is the BOE being bashed because businesses are closing and the economy is down? And what does the down economy have to do with the criminal case of our coaches stealing money from our kids school athletics program (which is now under scrutiny by community members and now under criminal investigation?)
Springboro city homeowners and Clearcreek township homeowners have recently been "ripped of by school, city and township leaders working together" to indebt property owners to cover Wade Field with "artificial" turf; NOT because this was in the best interest of our KIDS needs; but because of the COACHES WANTS!
Get Real! Our coaches want to distract us from their wrong-doing by trying to point out worse circumstances happening in our school district. But common sense voters clearly see that the worst thing happening in our school district is continued employment of these ones who have only greedy self-interest as priority; and these ones need to be dismissed from their employment as a means of the greater good of our schools and community.
Fish rots from the head. And the rot that has taken place in our coaches stinking jobs has been allowed by our school athletic director that went along with business as usual, whatever the coaches WANT.
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Out of Money wrote:
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Yes the General Fund carry over is over $14 Million for a township with only 9,000 residents. That's a BIG FLAG for overtaxing residents. The orginal donation I believe was $100,000.00 now it would appear the donation will be $1.01 MILLION from the June 27 minutes.
Yep, the donation is up to $1.01 million now. Keep making things up - this is good stuff.
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Let Us Stay Focused wrote:
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Excuse Me, but why is the BOE being bashed because businesses are closing and the economy is down? And what does the down economy have to do with the criminal case of our coaches stealing money from our kids school athletics program (which is now under scrutiny by community members and now under criminal investigation?)
Springboro city homeowners and Clearcreek township homeowners have recently been "ripped of by school, city and township leaders working together" to indebt property owners to cover Wade Field with "artificial" turf; NOT because this was in the best interest of our KIDS needs; but because of the COACHES WANTS!
If you've been to a lot of varsity soccer games at Wade prior to this year you'd understand the general reasoning behind installing artificial sports turf. Whenever it rained, the center of the natural grass playing field turned into a mudpit, sometimes resulting in a rainout. In my opinion this problem alone was in no way enough to justify hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of artificial turf installation. True, alot of the time games can still be played on today's fake turf. However, if adressed a number of years ago, Wade's subsoil problems could have been addressed MUCH less expensively than the receipt we're being asked to finance now. Obviously, this didn't happen. Why? The underlying reason for Wade's recent transformation is because this district has lacked experienced personnel properly trained in maintaining natural grass sports playing surfaces. This problem continues.
The installation of artificial sports turf keeps Springboro up to par with neighboring districts that also have installed fake sports turf, such as Lebanon HS just a few miles away. "The Star Bell Sneeches had bellies with stars, the Plain Belly Sneeches had none upon thars" is the perfect foot-in-the-door for the Dr. Seuss' opportunist Sylvester McMonkey McBean. This same angle works wonders each and every day of the week for salesmen of artificial sports field turf.

Managers of certain school districts in the area such as West Carrolton and Sidney understand the secret to maintaining very nice natural grass varsity fields. If one were to ask the managers of these fields, or any other well-maintained natural grass high school playing field they would probably tell you all about the intangible values of natural grass. Intangiable numero uno is player safety.
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You have know idea what you are talking about!! Don't state opinions that aren't fact!! You are lying to those reading topix. Every organization has been called in to talk about fundraising. It is so sad that you people on topix want to rip those who volunteer so much time to help the kids!! You should be ashamed. Although being a KOHLS, RIGANO and PETRONI supporter means you have no shame. You will continue to post lies!! Well liar, liar pants on fire!! You are the thieves now ripping apart our great community and hurting these kids who work so hard.
Really is Really the one spreading lies; And it is Really whose pants are on fire; because Really it is our coaches who are in the hot seat.
It is really our coaches who are on this blog "protesting too much" that doing what's right for our school children and community is the real shame in Springboro!
Only shame in Springboro is that coaches did fool us once; BUT that's not going happen again!
Time for new beginnings and new athletic director and coaches to be hired for the good of our students and school district well-being and reputation.
Sorry coaches... it's been a long time coming..but it's time for you to go. Now don't bring more shame on yourselves by blaming others for your own bad choices. That's the game we grown-ups have to play to prove ourselves "really" winners.
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Another Moo wrote:
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I Agree With You.
A new organization chart of our local school government workers is now posted on the school website.
Only thing is... the School District Taxpayer should be shown as the head of the Springboro School district. As voters we elect the board representatives; who then have the responsibility to hire the the best Superintendent and Treasurer who will put our children's best interest first in all financial decisions.
While it's true that Mr. Petrey came on board, with Mr. Creager already on board as school Athletic Director, It is NOW Mr. Petrey's responsibility to Springboro families and taxpaying homewoners (who are paying Mr. Creager to properly lead our school athletic program) to dismiss Mr. Creager from his duties because, simply put, Mr. Creager's inept leadership has failed our children's best interest; and simply put, Mr. Creager and ALL
school employees (yes, even the great ones) who FAIL OUR CHILDREN now have to go.
Our school district and community will not begin healing as long as this "reasoning process" continues (by our close-knit community bullies and school employees slandering our school district leaders and district taxpayers) by protesting...
...there is a Boro coach way to do wrong the right way and get by with it.
These lies and false accusations being made against our strong school and community supporters (including Kohls, Petroni, and Rigano) by SCHOOL EMPLOYEES throughout our schools hallways, parking lots, community and sports events, public meetings, and througout our neighborhoods and business places, WILL only STOP when these school employees are dismissed.
Our school district's legal and ethical authority needs to take that next step toward a better future for our children "first
thing."
How about the lies you are spreading about Mr. Creager?? Do you really know what he has done for our athletic programs?? Get your facts straight and find out about all the wonderful things he is doing or just stop talking!

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worried wrote:
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Yep, the donation is up to $1.01 million now. Keep making things up - this is good stuff.
Sorry I should have formed that in a question, that was my take on the June 27 minutes, does anyone have the voting results or the amount to be donated if it is donated?
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city residents are part of the township.
add approximately another 18,000 from the city. Then your total would approx be 27,000 township residents.
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When I look at all the money moving around this district away from the kids I get sick. If we took in all the money that was supposed to go to our kids we would have enough to run all our programs with money to spare. I have seen emails asking why the youth basketball program has not paid up for four years.
How many of these sweetheart deals are we the taxpayers going to have to pay for? If the schools don't get it from them they are going to have to ask us for it.

I pay enough already, I don't need to be subsidizing other people because they don't want to pay or just take the money and run.
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I am not against the coaches working for profit, but let's face facts, Springboro kids attend Coach Wilhite's football camp because he is the head coach at the High School. I doubt if you audited the attendance of his past camps you would find many kids from out of the area. The same goes for basketball, those kids attend because the camp is put on by the High School coach. Put that camp anywhere else and attendance falls to near zero. The coaches have a more or less captive market here in there own backyard.
The coaches should be paid a percentage of the NET profit that the camps take in each year. This gives the coaches the incentive to work them and grow them in levels of participation. The excess money should find its way to the athletic fund to help defray the costs of the programs these kids one day hope to participate in. It is a better program than continually asking the parents for more money, more money, and more money as dollars are continually siphoned off into the mists of nebulous accounts with no oversight.
The coaches abilities to command respect and the stamina building perspective of football baseball and basketball camps isn't exactly what's being debated? Agree?

The report from the State auditor will very likely detail all sorts of recent and not so recent infractions involving skimming of receipts. The now infamous Booster donation could have been a thwarted attempt to mend some or all of this. The BOE is aware of a certain amount of slush funding practices among some of the coaches. Although this is not technically illegal, slush funding clearly goes directly against district policy.
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How about the lies you are spreading about Mr. Creager?? Do you really know what he has done for our athletic programs?? Get your facts straight and find out about all the wonderful things he is doing or just stop talking!
What lies are being spread about Mr. Creager?

Yes, I really know what he has done for our athletic programs; since now his coach has refused to tell the truth about what has been done to our athletic program; but, instead of telling the truth, has lawyered up behind a wall of arrogance toward school district authority and disrespect to school district taxpayers.

Is it not a fact that the school athletic director is the "head" of the coaches? Isn't there about four coaches who now are hiding behind legal defense and refusing to answer questions such as: Where Is the Money?

Does employment on our school staff (whose salaries are paid by district taxpayers) not mean that the athletic director should hold accountable the legal and ethical financial practices of the school coaches? Wouldn't that have been some kind of Wonderful for Mr. Creager to do for our athletic program during the years of his employment?
That wonderful thing didn't happen.
And, who but Mr. Creager should take responsibility of failing to put our kids best interest FIRST in every decision that he made made as a school administrator?
Isn't it Mr. Creager's job to strengthen our school's athletic program as a whole; instead of just financially strengthening individual sport coaches?
Is it not true that our coaches are in the hot seat NOW because they were not held accountable by their athletic director to follow legal by laws and policies; that were already set in place to protect our wonderful school coaches from drifting into self-interest financial pursuits?

Now to my understanding from what is reported in the news, there are no questions being asked whether or not Mr. Creager has done wonderful things. The question remains in our community on whether or not school employees, including the athletic director, are practicing proper procedure in the handling of their administrative financial duties and coaching jobs.

Obviously the answer is NO.(Oh, by the way, NO is also the answer to your suggestion that average citizens like another moo Just Stop Talking. That could only happen AFTER school employees Just Tell the Truth:
WHERE IS THE MONEY?)
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Another Moo wrote:
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What lies are being spread about Mr. Creager?
Yes, I really know what he has done for our athletic programs; since now his coach has refused to tell the truth about what has been done to our athletic program; but, instead of telling the truth, has lawyered up behind a wall of arrogance toward school district authority and disrespect to school district taxpayers.
Is it not a fact that the school athletic director is the "head" of the coaches? Isn't there about four coaches who now are hiding behind legal defense and refusing to answer questions such as: Where Is the Money?
Does employment on our school staff (whose salaries are paid by district taxpayers) not mean that the athletic director should hold accountable the legal and ethical financial practices of the school coaches? Wouldn't that have been some kind of Wonderful for Mr. Creager to do for our athletic program during the years of his employment?
That wonderful thing didn't happen.
And, who but Mr. Creager should take responsibility of failing to put our kids best interest FIRST in every decision that he made made as a school administrator?
Isn't it Mr. Creager's job to strengthen our school's athletic program as a whole; instead of just financially strengthening individual sport coaches?
Is it not true that our coaches are in the hot seat NOW because they were not held accountable by their athletic director to follow legal by laws and policies; that were already set in place to protect our wonderful school coaches from drifting into self-interest financial pursuits?
Now to my understanding from what is reported in the news, there are no questions being asked whether or not Mr. Creager has done wonderful things. The question remains in our community on whether or not school employees, including the athletic director, are practicing proper procedure in the handling of their administrative financial duties and coaching jobs.
Obviously the answer is NO.(Oh, by the way, NO is also the answer to your suggestion that average citizens like another moo Just Stop Talking. That could only happen AFTER school employees Just Tell the Truth:
WHERE IS THE MONEY?)
When the truth comes out, you will eat your words! Mr. Creager has done nothing but improve all our athletic programs! Get off your high horse!
We R Not Powerless

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disgusted wrote:
When I look at all the money moving around this district away from the kids I get sick. If we took in all the money that was supposed to go to our kids we would have enough to run all our programs with money to spare. I have seen emails asking why the youth basketball program has not paid up for four years.
How many of these sweetheart deals are we the taxpayers going to have to pay for? If the schools don't get it from them they are going to have to ask us for it.
I pay enough already, I don't need to be subsidizing other people because they don't want to pay or just take the money and run.
We the People are voting No New Taxes in 2013!
We Must Take a Stand!
Send a Message to local schools, county, state and federal government agencies to Help Save America! Stop the Spending!
No New Taxes!
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When the truth comes out, you will eat your words! Mr. Creager has done nothing but improve all our athletic programs! Get off your high horse!
“I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings when I called you stupid. I really thought you already knew”– Anon
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NO WAY wrote:
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When the truth comes out, you will eat your words! Mr. Creager has done nothing but improve all our athletic programs! Get off your high horse!
Looks like the timing for the truth to come out is NOW!
Why hold back the truth when credibility is losing ground?
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No Way is Stupid wrote:
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“I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings when I called you stupid. I really thought you already knew”– Anon
You are very immature, GROW UP!
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immature wrote:
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You are very immature, GROW UP!
You are protesting too much. But why so, immature?

Accepting responsibility for one's "missteps" and wrong decisions is a basic principle for growing up and growing into an ethical leader.
But seldom do we see leaders take responsibility for their actions when they get caught in wrong doing. Too often people in positions of authority (such as our Springboro schools sports leaders) respond to their actions under scrutiny as if these "things just happened to them."
Yet, our school employees know that taking responsibility and admitting they made a mistake is the right thing to do in the best interest of the greater good of our school children.
We cannot help but question WHY our coaches will not do the right thing and stop hurting others by slinging "mud" in defense of their own dirty deeds.

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