Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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This SOS is just to distract from the real question. WHERE IS THE MONEY? The money collected by the Boosters from the Fan Store, Casino Night, Golf Outing? The money that the Coaches collected? The money from the concession stand sales?
Get back on topic and don't fall for the fear inducing, distracting idiots who want to scare parents into not asking the questions that need to be answered.
Who-o-o doesn't want the light of day to shine in?

Bad curcumstances don't just happen; they are created by individuals? Who-o-o refuses to step up; and what are those
who-o-o are stepping up to the TV camera trying to hide?

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You mean this?
This announcement made me afraid for my kids
Then their mission was accomplished.
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so I went and learned nothing
Nothing new here...lol, they very seldom ever say anything.
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and was very frustrated at the self promoting behavior of these people.

Well, that is pretty much S.O.P. for the "leaders" of this group. They are trying to stay relevant so Lisa Babb can run for School Board again. Those that support her, support these events that say nothing, answer nothing, and accomplish nothing. Remember that a year or so from now.
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They called us here for nothing, why?
See above. Add...to hear themselves talk, pat each other on the back afterwards and tell each other how Ammmmmmmaaaaazing they are.
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To put themselves in front of an audience?
Don't forget they summoned the local news media! They never miss an opportunity to get in front of a camera...regardless of newsworthy merit.
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Then their mission was accomplished.
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Nothing new here...lol, they very seldom ever say anything.
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Well, that is pretty much S.O.P. for the "leaders" of this group. They are trying to stay relevant so Lisa Babb can run for School Board again. Those that support her, support these events that say nothing, answer nothing, and accomplish nothing. Remember that a year or so from now.
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See above. Add...to hear themselves talk, pat each other on the back afterwards and tell each other how Ammmmmmmaaaaazing they are.
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Don't forget they summoned the local news media! They never miss an opportunity to get in front of a camera...regardless of newsworthy merit.
Rigano doesn't miss a chance at the cameras either.
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SAVING OUR SCAMS is All About Money!
It is not tearing apart OUR community; thanks to Pillar's good help our community is Rock Solid! but, SOS bullies are tearing down their own barriers of excuses from Tiffany Carlisle and all Springboro Athletics Boosters board officers who are legally responsibile for creating this web of unethical and illegal lies and financial deceit.
Since Tiff is the one on TV "making the case" rallying in the park that parents should find out what the school board is doing to keep her from participating in her kids' activities.....
most likely she is the boosters board officer that's "holding the purse" and the officer who "got lawyered up" between the covers of a panthers heart before she tried to make nice with school board authorities, with a "large donation" just for the love of "kids."
No pillar praise intended. My bad in not separating the two keep in simple comments into two separate. Please note that "thanks to pillars's good help" refers only to the "pillar posts" on this blog. Keep it simple is just about "comments" that appear rock solid on this blog; in contrast to the fearful post that "our community is falling apart" (which were comments that keep it simple was addressing.)

We can all learn that the only way to "keep it simple" is
to just tell the truth.
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Rigano doesn't miss a chance at the cameras either.
Keep It Simple. Stop "tattling" on others and just "show us the money!"

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Rigano doesn't miss a chance at the cameras either.
hmmmmm, can't say I see him on camera a whole lot. However he is actually on the board. He may have to make a statement from time to time...most likely in response to the typical nonsense they have to put up with by the NFSS gals.

Can you give me a specific example of Jim Rigano calling the press for any given meeting, press conference, etc, that he wasn't responding to something put out there by The Babbling Bunch?
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I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.

Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.

Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.

I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.

I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
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I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.
Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.
Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.
I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.
I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
Amen!!!
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hmmmmm, can't say I see him on camera a whole lot. However he is actually on the board. He may have to make a statement from time to time...most likely in response to the typical nonsense they have to put up with by the NFSS gals.
Can you give me a specific example of Jim Rigano calling the press for any given meeting, press conference, etc, that he wasn't responding to something put out there by The Babbling Bunch?
This latest Booster issue. He was on Channel 7. He didn't really "respond" to anything when he was on, because any real issues weren't public at the point he was on camera.
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Life Long Panther wrote:
I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.
Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.
Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.
I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.
I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
At the SOS gathering Tuesday evening, the four speakers certainly went out of their way to quelch 2 way interaction with their audience.
Ask yourself this question...How can anyone "Be Part of the Solution"... when they're effectively muzzled?
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At the SOS gathering Tuesday evening, the four speakers certainly went out of their way to quelch 2 way interaction with their audience.
Ask yourself this question...How can anyone "Be Part of the Solution"... when they're effectively muzzled?
Twp resident: were you present at the meeting the other night? If so, what were you looking to get out of the meeting?
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Twp resident: were you present at the meeting the other night? If so, what were you looking to get out of the meeting?
Answers from the SAB. Not more of the same drama from the same old people with NFSS and groupies.
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WHERE IS THE MONEY?

I am still waiting.

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isn't interesting how people think how changing ID makes themselves "new" posters LOL
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<quoted text>Answers from the SAB. Not more of the same drama from the same old people with NFSS and groupies.
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.

I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.

Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.

The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.

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at the meeting I attended there was NO BOE reps so there was no BOE discussion.
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SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
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at the meeting I attended there was NO BOE reps so there was no BOE discussion. <quoted text>
Nobody said there were any BOE reps. What did that have to do with the point of the meeting. They wanted you to understand what the BOE was considering to do with PTP fee and fundraising monies and encouraged people to attend BOE meetings to make sure we agree on how that money should be spent.
Sounds like someone came to the meeting with their own agenda.
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Life Long Panther wrote:
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SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Let's ask Tony V.(who supports community fundraising for worthy causes) if HE gets to decide how to SPEND all the money HE raises by urging others to "give us your money" for the greater cause?

All these arguments of the Bully Boosters Boasters have been made against the school board members who are reviewing pay to play fees since the first of the year during public school board meetings. Booster bullies could not beat down the strengths of our school boards' by-laws and policies in the public school board meetings; so they took their same old status quo "business as usual" attacks against the BOE majority to the North Park rally.
Too much drama from this B-list performers!
The season is over!
Time to face the reality of failure and take responsibility for allowing their good standing with the IRS and community to lapse. Show us the money!
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Life Long Panther wrote:
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Nobody said there were any BOE reps. What did that have to do with the point of the meeting. They wanted you to understand what the BOE was considering to do with PTP fee and fundraising monies and encouraged people to attend BOE meetings to make sure we agree on how that money should be spent.
Sounds like someone came to the meeting with their own agenda.
You betcha "someone came to the meeting with their own agenda!"

And that someone was Tiffany who spoke on behalf of all athletics boosters officers who have been bullying others all over town rallying the victims cry Save our Scams! Must be a lot of money at stake for each one of those boosters bullies who are "making the case" it's my money and I'll spend it my way!
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SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Root Rot Runs Deep Under Cover! Let the light shine in between the covers of your panther heart. Show Us The Money!

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