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Life Long Panther

Dayton, OH

#20775 Jul 12, 2012
I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.

Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.

Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.

I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.

I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
above board

Springboro, OH

#20776 Jul 12, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.
Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.
Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.
I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.
I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
Amen!!!
above board

Springboro, OH

#20777 Jul 12, 2012
Pillar wrote:
<quoted text>
hmmmmm, can't say I see him on camera a whole lot. However he is actually on the board. He may have to make a statement from time to time...most likely in response to the typical nonsense they have to put up with by the NFSS gals.
Can you give me a specific example of Jim Rigano calling the press for any given meeting, press conference, etc, that he wasn't responding to something put out there by The Babbling Bunch?
This latest Booster issue. He was on Channel 7. He didn't really "respond" to anything when he was on, because any real issues weren't public at the point he was on camera.
Twp resident

Dayton, OH

#20778 Jul 12, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
I have lived in Springboro my whole life. I have been reading these posts for the last few weeks and have witnessed what is wrong with today's society. Everyone is willing to point out the obvious issues but are not willing to create solutions to the problems. We have elected people into seats of the BOE, let them do their jobs. Did they uncover issues with how PTP fees and fundraising money was being handled through the SAB - YES.
Do I feel betrayed by the issues with the SAB - YES but let the authorities handle it and do their jobs.
Should the BOE be able to take all money raised during fund raising and place them into a general fund and determine how that money should be spent -NO.
I think parents want to make sure that the money that they are donating to a specific child, sport or organization should go to that organization. Hopefully our BOE will do that right thing and create a compromise that sends the donations raised to the appropriate organization.
I ask each of you that are bashing one another to step up and volunteer your time to - Be Part of the Solution.
At the SOS gathering Tuesday evening, the four speakers certainly went out of their way to quelch 2 way interaction with their audience.
Ask yourself this question...How can anyone "Be Part of the Solution"... when they're effectively muzzled?
Life Long Panther

Dayton, OH

#20779 Jul 12, 2012
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
At the SOS gathering Tuesday evening, the four speakers certainly went out of their way to quelch 2 way interaction with their audience.
Ask yourself this question...How can anyone "Be Part of the Solution"... when they're effectively muzzled?
Twp resident: were you present at the meeting the other night? If so, what were you looking to get out of the meeting?
SOS

Springfield, OH

#20780 Jul 12, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
Twp resident: were you present at the meeting the other night? If so, what were you looking to get out of the meeting?
Answers from the SAB. Not more of the same drama from the same old people with NFSS and groupies.
Still waiting

Dayton, OH

#20781 Jul 12, 2012
WHERE IS THE MONEY?

I am still waiting.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#20782 Jul 13, 2012
isn't interesting how people think how changing ID makes themselves "new" posters LOL
Life Long Panther

Dayton, OH

#20783 Jul 13, 2012
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>Answers from the SAB. Not more of the same drama from the same old people with NFSS and groupies.
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.

I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.

Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.

The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#20784 Jul 13, 2012
at the meeting I attended there was NO BOE reps so there was no BOE discussion.
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Life Long Panther

Dayton, OH

#20785 Jul 13, 2012
Boroman54 wrote:
at the meeting I attended there was NO BOE reps so there was no BOE discussion. <quoted text>
Nobody said there were any BOE reps. What did that have to do with the point of the meeting. They wanted you to understand what the BOE was considering to do with PTP fee and fundraising monies and encouraged people to attend BOE meetings to make sure we agree on how that money should be spent.
Sounds like someone came to the meeting with their own agenda.
Show Us The Money

Cleveland, OH

#20786 Jul 13, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Let's ask Tony V.(who supports community fundraising for worthy causes) if HE gets to decide how to SPEND all the money HE raises by urging others to "give us your money" for the greater cause?

All these arguments of the Bully Boosters Boasters have been made against the school board members who are reviewing pay to play fees since the first of the year during public school board meetings. Booster bullies could not beat down the strengths of our school boards' by-laws and policies in the public school board meetings; so they took their same old status quo "business as usual" attacks against the BOE majority to the North Park rally.
Too much drama from this B-list performers!
The season is over!
Time to face the reality of failure and take responsibility for allowing their good standing with the IRS and community to lapse. Show us the money!
Show Us The Money

Cleveland, OH

#20787 Jul 13, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody said there were any BOE reps. What did that have to do with the point of the meeting. They wanted you to understand what the BOE was considering to do with PTP fee and fundraising monies and encouraged people to attend BOE meetings to make sure we agree on how that money should be spent.
Sounds like someone came to the meeting with their own agenda.
You betcha "someone came to the meeting with their own agenda!"

And that someone was Tiffany who spoke on behalf of all athletics boosters officers who have been bullying others all over town rallying the victims cry Save our Scams! Must be a lot of money at stake for each one of those boosters bullies who are "making the case" it's my money and I'll spend it my way!
Show Us The Money

Cleveland, OH

#20788 Jul 13, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Root Rot Runs Deep Under Cover! Let the light shine in between the covers of your panther heart. Show Us The Money!

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#20789 Jul 13, 2012
if you did not state "Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds." then I am sorry - what was presented was one side of a discussion. the presenters were giving their views on a BOE discussion point. I was informed about their view but the BOE was not represent. yes they did encourage attending BOE meetings then you stated "The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment." was that the BOE IDEA or instead the SOS view of what their thoughts were on the BOE. yes I agree the stated purpose of this meeting was to present their "views" and had no BOE purpse and everyone should get both sides of the issuse. the SAB is just one part of the problem. for me, I came to learn. But you are correct - there was nothing to learn but the agenda for meeting was not a teaching event rather an presentation of how the world should look in their eyes. To bring the BOE into the presentation was one sided.
Yes

Dayton, OH

#20790 Jul 13, 2012
Well said!!
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
Well said!!!
curious new resident

Cleveland, OH

#20791 Jul 13, 2012
After reading all of these blogs and looking at all of the top administrators who have left the last 6 mos, newly being George Long, I am very concerned about where this school system is going. Why is everyone leaving? It is obvious to me nobody can work with this school board. It is sad. They are elected into office and should be trying to work with everyone instead of trying to control things. And if they can't control them, they make it miserable for that person forcing them to leave. Get on board school board. Work together. This is for the kids right?? I chose Springboro over other school systems because of the schools. I am now worried if I will ever be able to sell my house. Grow up and quit acting like children. WORK TOGETHER and LISTEN TO THE PARENTS!! After all, they are the reason you are where you are.
Keep It Simple

Cleveland, OH

#20792 Jul 13, 2012
Yes wrote:
Well said!!
<quoted text>
WRONG!

There is NO right way to DO wrong.

Just tell the truth, Boosters Bullies!

"WHO ARE YOUR LEADERS!"
SOS

Springfield, OH

#20793 Jul 13, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
[QUOTE who="Life Long Panther"]<quoted text>

I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
I appreciate your comments here but the flyer says what it says and was suppose to be an attempt to tell parents that the BOE was making "decisions will have a signifi-cant impact on OUR abilities as parents to be involved with our children’s activities". "Please plan on attending. Help get the word out to other parents in the community. Ensure you are allowed to stay INVOLVED in your child’s experiences!" Aren't these possible decisions due to the Athletic Boosters and fiscal difficulties? Sounds scary and like the BOE is out to hurt parents and kids. If the implication is that someone is hurting kids shouldn't we know more about SAB? If things have to change why not talk about why? BTW, what is in the courts?

Here is a copy of the flyer
Band and other important extracurricular activities
When: Monday, July 9
Where: North Park
Time: 7pm
Do you know what decisions are being made about YOUR child’s activities by the School Board?
Are you concerned about your child’s athletic, band, or extracurricular program?
The SOS event is an effort by parents in the community to gather and share information about issues being decided by the School Board that directly affect our children’s participation in athletics, band, and other ‘extracurricular’ activities. Those decisions will have a signifi-cant impact on OUR abilities as parents to be involved with our children’s activities.
Please plan on attending. Help get the word out to other parents in the community. Ensure you are allowed to stay INVOLVED in your child’s experiences!
See you July 9th!!
Thanks for your support!!!
Where did you get this

Springfield, OH

#20794 Jul 13, 2012
Life Long Panther wrote:
<quoted text>
SOS: I will assume since you responded to my email that you did attend the meeting Monday night. If you were looking for answers to the missing money or who donated $130K back to the boosters, where were you mislead? This was to be a meeting between boosters and people who donate money to our school programs so they could understand what has been discussed between BOE members on how to improve the fiscal responsibilities of our school programs - this was not to be a "bashing" event.
Just because you may have received an email from a SAB board member did not mean we were discussing specific topics regarding the recent incident with SAB funds. That is in the courts and where it belongs.
I was at the meeting and took away from it that our BOE was looking at ways to eliminate our PTP fees. That would be great for many people but I do not see how that would be possible. Is the BOE going about it the right way - YES. We need to know what it cost for each activity! Most do not generate revenue to help cover their costs, that is where the PTP fees come in. I agree with the BOE that each coach or director needs to determine what they "Need" to function as an activity, this would equate to their fixed expenses. Any expense requested beyond the "Need" then becomes a "Want". These items have usually been funded through fundraising. The emphasis of the meeting was to let these people know that the board wants those fundraising dollars to be moved to the general fund to reduce or eliminate PTP. I disagree with this philosophy. Money raised by a group should be able to be used by that group. The flaw in the BOE idea is people will stop raising money to offset these expenses. Would you want your son or daughter participating in a sport with inferior equipment. General monies raised by the SAB help pay these expenses. If the baseball team raises money for a new press box, they should be able to build it without having to go through the BOE.
Hopefully our BOE, treasurer, athletic department and SAB can come to a common ground how how to handle appropriation of funds.
The meeting was never meant to provide details on the fiscal issues that the SAB is experiencing.
OK where did you get that this is what the BOE is doing? Who as a BOE rep said this was happening? Was this a committee rep.? If yes than that is not the BOE. Don't you think you should see what the BOE actually says? You are taking a letter written by one BOE member and presenting it as the BOE. Why didn't you use the many speeches given by BOE member Kelly Kohl and pass it out as the BOE over the last few years? You only wanted to incite parents. The words of one BOE committee and blast it out as if it were the BOE you are wrong. If the BOE has a committee meeting it is just that a committee it is not the BOE and does not represent the actions of the BOE as a whole.
In this way you are exaggerating and misleading. Try to stop in your efforts to cause more division in this community please.

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