Christian Father Sues to Keep Kids From Learning About Sex and Sexuality but He's Not a Bigot

Sep 10, 2012 Full story: www.womanist-musings.com 320

Steve Tourloukis, a parent whose kids attend school in the Hamilton-Wentworth area, has asked to be given advanced notice when the teacher plans to teach sex education, so that he may remove his children in order not to conflict with the Greek Orthodox Christian teachings in the home. When the request was denied, he decided to sue.

Okay, I understand that Dr. Tourloukis has religious beliefs; however, schools are public institutions funded by public dollars. I highly suspect that his issue has a lot to do with schools teaching about same sex families and homosexuality. If he really didn't have a problem with the LGBT community, he wouldn't have an issue with his children learning that members of the GLBT community deserve equal treatment in society and should not exist with a stigmatized identity. As it is, the information given in school does not even approach the necessary level to teach children about heterosexism, cissexsm, homophobia and transphobia.

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#290 Sep 23, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Teaching and (better) educating ARE "social engineer"ing.
The social engineering I was talking about was the usurption of parents rights by the schools to decide what values (within reason, of course) that they would like to install in their children. When I see a divorce rate of 50% and a large number of single parent households, it mskes me wonder how much the values they are teaching our children are helping society to be stable.

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#292 Sep 23, 2012
fr flbadcatowner:

>...The social engineering I was talking about was the usurption of parents rights by the schools to decide what values ...<

Nobody is "usurping" anyone's "parents rights". Get a clue, kittycat, and grow UP.

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#293 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>The social engineering I was talking about was the usurption of parents rights by the schools to decide what values (within reason, of course) that they would like to install in their children. When I see a divorce rate of 50% and a large number of single parent households, it mskes me wonder how much the values they are teaching our children are helping society to be stable.
They are just going to teach a new application of old principles. It's not as if the entirety of every school day in the academic year is going to be all about our history, or even the issues in Health class. Not all grades even take a Health class.

We went through this debate back in the '60s about "sex ed" classes. Same crap.

The statistics I've read from Government sources suggest that teen pregnancy and STDs go down where such classes are competently taught. Now that we know the link between male transmission of HPV and womens' cancer, this must also be added. Education on sexuality in such classes is never salacious or prurient. It should be no different now that gay people are included. The texts that I KNOW were used in '60s and '70s covered all the same basic activities. Heteros do them, too, ya know. lol

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#294 Sep 24, 2012
Pattysboi wrote:
fr flbadcatowner:
>...The social engineering I was talking about was the usurption of parents rights by the schools to decide what values ...<
Nobody is "usurping" anyone's "parents rights". Get a clue, kittycat, and grow UP.
When they try to ram a certain belief system down the throats of children and won't let parents opt children out of such controversial "education", it certainly reeks of usurption. Your lame excuse for an insult makes you and not me look smaller, BTW. Mature people have no need to belittle somebody with juvenile name-calling. I see the handiwork of the public school belief systems in the form of higher divorce rates and more children living in single parent homes as well as the need for more government financial intervention for such children that this country cannot afford in its current fiscal condition. Whether one is religious or not, it isn't hard to see what secular humanism is doing to the family and our children and our nation.

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#295 Sep 24, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
They are just going to teach a new application of old principles. It's not as if the entirety of every school day in the academic year is going to be all about our history, or even the issues in Health class. Not all grades even take a Health class.
We went through this debate back in the '60s about "sex ed" classes. Same crap.
The statistics I've read from Government sources suggest that teen pregnancy and STDs go down where such classes are competently taught. Now that we know the link between male transmission of HPV and womens' cancer, this must also be added. Education on sexuality in such classes is never salacious or prurient. It should be no different now that gay people are included. The texts that I KNOW were used in '60s and '70s covered all the same basic activities. Heteros do them, too, ya know. lol
Sex ed would not be such a problem if it were only concerned with teaching the pitfalls of being promiscuous and debunking common myths about sex. The problem is that it often goes far beyond teaching how to avoid pregnancy and STDs. A former co-worker of mine who attended school some fifteen years after me once related how he was told by his sex ed teacher if you don't use it, you'll lose it which sounds like an encouragement for promiscuousness to me. It is not the school's job to teach children how to better enjoy sex and whet their appetite for experimentation. When I went to school, sex education was little more than an anatomy course and encouragement to behave responsibly.

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#296 Sep 24, 2012
NoQ wrote:
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You might have a very few other Fa$$ots convinced of your lies but most of us know the truth. You're a big fat dude with a big dick that's a Wantabe bitc;h.
While I do agree that Rose's claim to being straight seems a bit tenuous, posts like that are not going to make your position seem more viable and do play into the hands of your opposition.
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Brooklyn, NY

#297 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>For someone who got his posterior kicked a good many times and can't reply to my posts with anything more than juvenile name calling and senseless insults, it is very ironic that you would post something like this which nobody in his right mind is going to believe. I don't even have to try to make you look like a fool because the idiocy of your posts does it for me.
Whatever you say, Mr. Cinco de Mayo. You seem to want some more abuse, so I'm happy to oblige your stupid ass. Just remember, YOU asked for it.
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#298 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>When they try to ram a certain belief system down the throats of children and won't let parents opt children out of such controversial "education", it certainly reeks of usurption. Your lame excuse for an insult makes you and not me look smaller, BTW. Mature people have no need to belittle somebody with juvenile name-calling. I see the handiwork of the public school belief systems in the form of higher divorce rates and more children living in single parent homes as well as the need for more government financial intervention for such children that this country cannot afford in its current fiscal condition. Whether one is religious or not, it isn't hard to see what secular humanism is doing to the family and our children and our nation.
Yes. The evidence is quite clear, isn't it? "Secular humanism" is worse than the entire Dark Ages and the Inquisition combined. And "everyone knows" that public schools are to blame for higher divorce rates.
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#299 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>The social engineering I was talking about was the usurption of parents rights by the schools to decide what values (within reason, of course) that they would like to install in their children. When I see a divorce rate of 50% and a large number of single parent households, it mskes me wonder how much the values they are teaching our children are helping society to be stable.
Gee.... are your values so OBVIOUSLY weak that they can't stand up to differing views? Parents are free to install whatever crazy ideas they want in their children. Don't blame us if your children can see through the bullshit and lies.

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#300 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Sex ed would not be such a problem if it were only concerned with teaching the pitfalls of being promiscuous and debunking common myths about sex. The problem is that it often goes far beyond teaching how to avoid pregnancy and STDs. A former co-worker of mine who attended school some fifteen years after me once related how he was told by his sex ed teacher if you don't use it, you'll lose it which sounds like an encouragement for promiscuousness to me. It is not the school's job to teach children how to better enjoy sex and whet their appetite for experimentation. When I went to school, sex education was little more than an anatomy course and encouragement to behave responsibly.
There certainly will be ( and certainly have been) people teaching courses incompetently. Teaching is more an art than a science, or even a craft.

Life exposes kids (and they expose each other, and THEMSELVES) to more today than ever before. Still, it is impossible to gauge just what information, and misinformation, any one student has as they walk through the classroom door. In a freshman class one can't even guarantee that all have finished puberty! In the past, this was why "Health Class" wasn't offered until the Jr. and Sr. years. But now we see pregnancies and STDs as young as middle school age.

Of course, YOU can isolate your kids in the hope that they will not encounter the world. The best parents I know PREPARE their kids, and have relationships open enough to keep the communication and information exchange flowing. Few have such excellent parents.

For how many centuries did Jewish parents have to raise their children in a society which actively militated against their religion. Everything from work on Saturdays to food and products from pigs, come to mind. How do you imagine that they dealt with it? "Yes, lebisch. That is so. But that is not how WE do things" in thousands of variations since the first circumcision, eh? Roman Catholic families, too. "Yes, dear, but WE don't eat meat on Fridays, and WE fast during Advent and Lent, and WE only have one spouse, and WE wait until we are married." Centuries of it. Millions of such conversations.

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North Hollywood, CA

#301 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>When they try to ram a certain belief system down the throats of children and won't let parents opt children out of such controversial "education", it certainly reeks of usurption. Your lame excuse for an insult makes you and not me look smaller, BTW. Mature people have no need to belittle somebody with juvenile name-calling. I see the handiwork of the public school belief systems in the form of higher divorce rates and more children living in single parent homes as well as the need for more government financial intervention for such children that this country cannot afford in its current fiscal condition. Whether one is religious or not, it isn't hard to see what secular humanism is doing to the family and our children and our nation.
LOL. Just hysterical.

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North Hollywood, CA

#302 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>While I do agree that Rose's claim to being straight seems a bit tenuous, posts like that are not going to make your position seem more viable and do play into the hands of your opposition.
A bit tenuous? LOL. If you only knew...

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#303 Sep 24, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever you say, Mr. Cinco de Mayo. You seem to want some more abuse, so I'm happy to oblige your stupid ass. Just remember, YOU asked for it.
Are lame attempts to insult the best you have to offer? You are making yourself into a pushover. As I now fully understand the meaning of Cinco de Mayo, it renders your attempt at an insult as stale as a year old piece of bread. Have you forgotten your own gaffe at the distance from Times Square to where you live? All too often, when you points fingers at others you end up with more fingers pointed at you.

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#304 Sep 24, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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LOL. Just hysterical.
Yes, just hysterical how much you are in denial.

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#305 Sep 24, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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A bit tenuous? LOL. If you only knew...
If you only would level with us about the fine print in your claim.

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#306 Sep 24, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. The evidence is quite clear, isn't it? "Secular humanism" is worse than the entire Dark Ages and the Inquisition combined. And "everyone knows" that public schools are to blame for higher divorce rates.
Divorce and single parent families are on the rise thanks to secular humanism. Back in the 1950's and 1960's, nearly all my schoolmates lived under the same roof with their biological parents and the very few who lived in single parent homes were usually due to death of a parent. BTW, the Protestant reformation did a lot to correct Roman Catholic abuses of the Dark Ages. Just for the record, I am staunchly anti-Catholic as they sometimes appear clueless to what the Bible teaches.

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Since: Jul 09

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#307 Sep 24, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
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Gee.... are your values so OBVIOUSLY weak that they can't stand up to differing views? Parents are free to install whatever crazy ideas they want in their children. Don't blame us if your children can see through the bullshit and lies.
It seems like as the years pass since graduation from school, the more likely that they will realize how they were deceived while in school. The most liberal faction in our society is the under 30 group. As they grow older and wiser, they realize that not everything they were indoctrinated with in school was proven fact. I was much more liberal when I was young, too. After the MsGovern fiasco of 1972. By age 27, I had developed a pro-working class politically centrist position, similar to what I hold now with some fine tuning here and there. Male bovine solid waste excretion is also a problem with many secular humanists as well.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#308 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Divorce and single parent families are on the rise thanks to secular humanism.
LOL! You just make up crap.

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#309 Sep 24, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! You just make up crap.
Back in the days before secular humanism got such a stronghold in our schools, divorce rates were much lower and there were far fewer single parent homes.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#310 Sep 24, 2012
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Back in the days before secular humanism got such a stronghold in our schools, divorce rates were much lower and there were far fewer single parent homes.
LOL! You just make up stuff.
"Secular humanism got such a stronghold in our schools". How so?
And even if it did, well, I know you don't know what this means but:
Correlation does not imply causation.

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