FCAT writing scores show students str...

FCAT writing scores show students struggle with grammar

There are 50 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from May 6, 2007, titled FCAT writing scores show students struggle with grammar. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

This year's FCAT results show that the many of the same students who write essays well struggle with grammar.

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Urban

Key West, FL

#1 May 7, 2007
It is not fair to today's children not to expose them to rules and drills consistently to reinforce grammar. Shortcuts students take with instant messaging tells us that our children may miss out on basic grammar rules.
jess

UK

#2 May 7, 2007
i agree it is not fair at all why should they miss out on basic grammer
Retired teacher

United States

#3 May 7, 2007
How can the kids learn grammar when the schools hire 3rd world illiterate teachers? In addition, look at all the crap on TV-nobody speaks standard grammatical English anymore.
I'm sure that if Ebonics were part of the curriculum, the kids would do very well on their tests. What a pity!
No Edit - Regret It

AOL

#4 May 7, 2007
"I see can't why we teaches grammar level all grades! How can a student effectively with communicate the world, unless, we knows puchuation and grammar."
A great story is nothing but gibberish if no one can read it, and comprehend the basic facts and emotions, as well as subtleties. Incomplete sentences, misplaced punctuation, misspelled words, excessive pronouns, etc. merely confuse and frustrate the reader, and portray the writer as uneducated and uncultured (or worse, lazy). Hmm...sounds like a lot of the online articles I read in the Sun-Sentinel.....
JUSTICE

AOL

#5 May 7, 2007
No Edit - Regret It wrote:
"I see can't why we teaches grammar level all grades! How can a student effectively with communicate the world, unless, we knows puchuation and grammar."
A great story is nothing but gibberish if no one can read it, and comprehend the basic facts and emotions, as well as subtleties. Incomplete sentences, misplaced punctuation, misspelled words, excessive pronouns, etc. merely confuse and frustrate the reader, and portray the writer as uneducated and uncultured (or worse, lazy). Hmm...sounds like a lot of the online articles I read in the Sun-Sentinel.....
YOU CAN'T WRITE, READ YOUR POST AGAIN
Scotts Mom

Seminole, FL

#6 May 7, 2007
If you can speak proper English; you can write using proper English. The point is; LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH AND WHEN YOU SPEAK , USE PROPER ENGLISH.
I dunno

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#7 May 7, 2007
IMHO, if the kids had an option to use text message speak, they would all get an A.
John Macchi

Miami, FL

#8 May 7, 2007
Interesting how times have changed. I recall taking both English Grammar and English Composition in school. We applied the grammar rules to our composition writing. Seemed to work then. When did someone decide that this was all wrong? By the way, I am a corporate trainer and find that the majority of my adult students cannot put together a readable paragraph without numerous spelling, puntuation and noun-verb agreement errors. If that is what is happening in American business today, what will the future bring?
6OCENT

Kent, WA

#9 May 7, 2007
We be just fine.We speek like want not all stuck up.
really

Hawaiian Gardens, CA

#10 May 7, 2007
All the teachers are doing is teaching to the test! There isn't any practical applications because these districts and schools have a lot of $$$ at stake. I taught in Broward for 15 years and we were told teach to the test.

I recommend that we bring back digramming sentences even Gregg shorthand etc.

But major question is who is grading these tests?? Did you know that anyone can apply on line to become a grader with Pierson to grade them. Look back at the article that appeared last year that explained this process. Remember the hair dresser from Tampa that only had a 9th grade education who was a grader??

I find it very disturbing that when I asked the state for a copy of my child's graded test they told me it was not available and I could not see it.

Time to fight the system!
Jim Waite

Kissimmee, FL

#11 May 7, 2007
In conjunction with other methods, teaching grammar "in isolation" does work. It is a thinking skill and it develops an apprectiation for all languages. It should not be abandoned the way it is by most English teachers. Dropping grammar from the curriculum began over 20 years ago.It's part of the reason students can't write today.Just look at the results and stop making excuses.
Watz Next

United States

#12 May 7, 2007
That was the point, silly! I know, it's Monday morning.....
JUSTICE wrote:
<quoted text>YOU CAN'T WRITE, READ YOUR POST AGAIN
Concerned Parent

Palo Alto, CA

#13 May 7, 2007
Schools have been turning a blind eye to this problem for years and it's not going to stop now.
We've been complaining to our daughter's teachers & guidance counselors in middle school and now in high school, that she has problems with grammar. They just look at us like we're insane and tell us that she's an excellent English student. Broward Schools are just not teaching, not are they enforcing grammar. They are doing all kids a great disservice for their futures. If Anita Plummer wants kids to learn from their own writing, then grammatical errors MUST be pointed out on the students essays & writings, and quite frankly, they are not. Alos, Laurel Biofora is one to talk, Everglades high school focuses on Athletics & JROTC, and sadly not on Academics. Scores will not rise without intervention on the teacher's part.
Concerned Parent

Palo Alto, CA

#14 May 7, 2007
Schools have been turning a blind eye to this problem for years and it's not going to stop now.
We've been complaining to our daughter's teachers & guidance counselors in middle school and now in high school, that she has problems with grammar. They just look at us like we're insane and tell us that she's an excellent English student. Broward Schools are just not teaching, nor are they enforcing grammar. They are doing all kids a great disservice for their futures. If Anita Plummer wants kids to learn from their own writing, then grammatical errors MUST be pointed out on the students essays & writings, and quite frankly, they are not. Alas, Laurel Biofora is one to talk, Everglades high school focuses on Athletics & JROTC, and sadly not on Academics. Scores will not rise without intervention on the teacher's part.
Aint it Great

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#15 May 7, 2007
There are some teachers in the school system that use ebonics when teaching ( I witnessed it)- these kids can't say the word "ask" or "street"
they insist on using Axe & Skreet to name a few..-they are just too lazy or just plain stupid. Think of it....these kids are our country's future - scary !
Pete

West Palm Beach, FL

#16 May 7, 2007
Rap music to blame? If they listen to crap then what else to you expect? It isn't "cool" to be smart.
MOBIL

AOL

#17 May 7, 2007
Watz Next wrote:
That was the point, silly! I know, it's Monday morning.....
<quoted text>
OK SORRY
DIGUSTED TEACHER

AOL

#18 May 7, 2007
LET ME SAY ONE THING, AND THAT BEING ABOVE ALL THE PARENTS DO NOT ENFORCE THE DICTATES OF READING AND WRITING. MAKE YOUR KIDS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. WE AS THE TEACHERS ARE NOT THE PARENTS AND NEED YOUR SUPPORT, IF YOU DO NOT INVEST THE TIME IN YOUR CHILD WE CAN'T AND WON'T SPEND THE TIME ON A CHILD WHO DOES NOT WANT TO LEARN , THAT IS YOUR JOB. YOU HAD THE CHILD SO DO YOUR JOB FIRST OR DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, ENOUGH SAID
sick and tired

AOL

#19 May 7, 2007
FCAT's need to end let teacher teach the way they do. Kids are taught FCAT only all year not fair to kids the stress on kids is unbelievable
Max

United States

#20 May 7, 2007
It's not a blind eye and it's not the FCAT. It's the fact that public education has given up trying to teach blacks and EOL students proper English. If you can't beat them, join them. That, my friends, is exactly what is happening. That's why him and me will be doin' the pimp and ho thing tonight.

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