McDonnell Proposes Additional Education Reforms

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This year - 2013 - is officially the year of the teacher in Virginia. Thursday, Governor Bob McDonnell announced the second wave of reforms he wants in state education.

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driver2

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Well, I'm proposing that we give the same grades to our schools,

Bob MacDonald, Who is going to give the grades? You? You have lied all your political carrier. If you had any conservitive values you would have taken the bragged about 787 million surplus and given 15,000 state employees a reasonable severence package. PUT OUR DOLLARS TO WORK FOR US!!!
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Well.....the students get grades of A through F, now Mr. McDonnell proposes giving schools A through F to encourage parental and community involvement. There is something missing from the equation here.......grades of A through F for parents. Schools canNOT do everything. Yes, there are poor teachers. Schools systems should care of that, but stop punishing our education system for the ills of society. I teach, and can't get a majority of parents to care even if their child is getting Fs. For many of them, the schools are free babysitting. By the way, I am a parent too - who parented my children and was involved and didn't expect the educational system to raise my kids. Yes, give the students, teachers, and schools grades of A - F, but give those grades to parents too!! How do they get off so easy?
Mountain mama

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Actually if you paid attention to your state school Sir, not all schools gives grades. As a matter of fact K-4 in many districts get a different scale based on the STATE's own SOL report card! Students get E, M, P, and L. They also get 1, 2, and 3 for other school behaviors. When you " train" these young new graduates, can you please teach them work ethic and integrity? It would be helpfulmif these new teachers had some stamina to keep up with the "old" teachers. many of them are coming into our workforce Lazy and unwilling to give 100%. A fellow colleague of mine thinks that maybe this is the wake up call that is needed for us to reinforce that teaching is hard work and needs more funding not increasing student number per classrooms and cutting teacher assistants and staff so that young kids have to work independently..... They don't learn as well unless they have direct instruction!
huck

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Marci wrote:
How do they get off so easy?
We allow absentparents to procreate, indeed even encourage it, then reward their reckless act with daycare until offspring is of legal age.

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Mountain mama wrote:
Actually if you paid attention to your state school Sir, not all schools gives grades. As a matter of fact K-4 in many districts get a different scale based on the STATE's own SOL report card! Students get E, M, P, and L. They also get 1, 2, and 3 for other school behaviors. When you " train" these young new graduates, can you please teach them work ethic and integrity? It would be helpfulmif these new teachers had some stamina to keep up with the "old" teachers. many of them are coming into our workforce Lazy and unwilling to give 100%. A fellow colleague of mine thinks that maybe this is the wake up call that is needed for us to reinforce that teaching is hard work and needs more funding not increasing student number per classrooms and cutting teacher assistants and staff so that young kids have to work independently..... They don't learn as well unless they have direct instruction!
That's it...always more money, more money. Geeze, when are people going to stop being afraid to state the obvious. Education starts at home. And I would be willing to bet that most of the non-caring parents who send their kids to school without enough sleep. And not having done their homework are the ones with the bad grades. We have welfare mommas out there breeding generations of under performing students because they temselves were terrible students. Add to this all the feel good progressive teaching methods and you get horrible schools!
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C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>That's it...always more money, more money. Geeze, when are people going to stop being afraid to state the obvious. Education starts at home. And I would be willing to bet that most of the non-caring parents who send their kids to school without enough sleep. And not having done their homework are the ones with the bad grades. We have welfare mommas out there breeding generations of under performing students because they temselves were terrible students. Add to this all the feel good progressive teaching methods and you get horrible schools!
ANSWER: Give em all guns!
Dude

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Mountain mama wrote:
Actually if you paid attention to your state school Sir, not all schools gives grades. As a matter of fact K-4 in many districts get a different scale based on the STATE's own SOL report card! Students get E, M, P, and L. They also get 1, 2, and 3 for other school behaviors. When you " train" these young new graduates, can you please teach them work ethic and integrity? It would be helpfulmif these new teachers had some stamina to keep up with the "old" teachers. many of them are coming into our workforce Lazy and unwilling to give 100%. A fellow colleague of mine thinks that maybe this is the wake up call that is needed for us to reinforce that teaching is hard work and needs more funding not increasing student number per classrooms and cutting teacher assistants and staff so that young kids have to work independently..... They don't learn as well unless they have direct instruction!
There are many ways to look at the money debate. The US spends among the most per student in the world in terms of real money on education, as a percent of GDP it's still in the top 10, and is one of the countries with one of the worst return on results.
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What that illustrates is that we are not very efficient at education and that throwing money at the problem doesn't simply cure it. There are a lot of theories on how to make it better. In once sentence you're blaming a lot of the new teachers in the next you're considering hiring more direct instructors.
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It's pretty simple, 50% of all new teachers leave the profession that they went to school for and got certified for in 5 years. I would bet that these are the best teachers that are leaving, why? In a previous post in this thread a teacher stated that they were treated no better than baby sitters in their profession. I'll go even one step further. Teachers today get paid welfare wages despite having to have earn higher learning degrees on the methodologies of teaching often including developmental behaviors and certifications. They're also burdened by the bureaucracy of administration, undermined by parental authority, abused by students, and vilified by society as being part of the moocher class, or stereotyped as "overpaid babysitters." I have no idea why anyone would teach, those that do must either be fools or saints. I prefer to believe the latter of the two.
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Right now there is an experiment going on between the states on how to find the best way to keep our kids competitive with other countries who spend less per student yet yield better results.
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C-Ville Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>That's it...always more money, more money. Geeze, when are people going to stop being afraid to state the obvious. Education starts at home. And I would be willing to bet that most of the non-caring parents who send their kids to school without enough sleep. And not having done their homework are the ones with the bad grades. We have welfare mommas out there breeding generations of under performing students because they temselves were terrible students. Add to this all the feel good progressive teaching methods and you get horrible schools!
So what are you suggesting?
sez you

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I see it as a demographic issue through the country having gone to school in several parts of the country. The south is the last place you want to have your child in public school, just way behind the curve. Education has to be foremost in the minds of the community and the parents. If games are gonna be played on teachers salaries your gonna get what you pay for. We're obviously paying for the most per capita for our kids but why the results don't show up is another question. The post office comes to mind where management is breaking their bank.

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Dude wrote:
<quoted text>So what are you suggesting?
I suggest shining as much light on the truth as possible and not be afraid of being called a racist, conservative extremist for simply telling the truth. I voice my concerns with my daughters schools whenever the need arises. I tell the teachers not to give the "second chance test" to either of my daughters. If they did not grasp the information the first time then t hey shouldn't get a redo. That is just one example of my interactions with the public education system. The other issues with parents and students who don't give a damn is a problem that may never be solved because those people have been convinced by liberal's that they are the victims. And politicians have been able to buy their votes by promising then that money is the answer.
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<quoted text>I suggest shining as much light on the truth as possible and not be afraid of being called a racist, conservative extremist for simply telling the truth. I voice my concerns with my daughters schools whenever the need arises. I tell the teachers not to give the "second chance test" to either of my daughters. If they did not grasp the information the first time then t hey shouldn't get a redo. That is just one example of my interactions with the public education system. The other issues with parents and students who don't give a damn is a problem that may never be solved because those people have been convinced by liberal's that they are the victims. And politicians have been able to buy their votes by promising then that money is the answer.
Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot? What does race have to do with the solution or your or anyone else's political affiliation have to do with the solution? What do suggest, or better, how do suggest the solution you suggest be implemented.
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sez you wrote:
I see it as a demographic issue through the country having gone to school in several parts of the country. The south is the last place you want to have your child in public school, just way behind the curve. Education has to be foremost in the minds of the community and the parents. If games are gonna be played on teachers salaries your gonna get what you pay for. We're obviously paying for the most per capita for our kids but why the results don't show up is another question. The post office comes to mind where management is breaking their bank.
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Terry Shifflett wrote:
Here's an idea! Cut teaichers pay to zero and give them a one percent pay raise for every kid that passes the state tests! That will weed out all the lousy teachers in a hurry!
You should have paid better attention during elementary arithmetic.
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<quoted text> I voice my concerns with my daughters schools whenever the need arises. I tell the teachers not to give the "second chance test" to either of my daughters. If they did not grasp the information the first time then t hey shouldn't get a redo.
thanks dad
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Although potentially limiting and boring, gearing education more towards apprenticeship with corporate involvement is probably the answer. Seems to be successful elsewhere.
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George Allen got rid of this an most vocational training as Governor when he imposed the SOLs. Too bad more jobs don't require taking multiple choice tests all day. Allen's SOLs made the kids real good at that.
standardized learning is tied to NCLB which ties federal funding to testing results. Allen had a choice, take federal funding for education and implement the program or don't. Some argue that Bush only signed Kennedy's NCLB to get democrat's support for the Iraq invasion, both may have at best been, good intentions gone horribly wrong.

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