Thinking Of The Children

[Starilae]

DustyShadow wrote:

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High school, sure, but not young children. I would totally resent my kids having homosexual information forced on them at an early age, like kids having to read that dumb story about the "homosexual" penguins, who took up with females as soon as some became available. That's what these parents are protesting - tolerance training done early.

I agree with this, young kids shouldnt be learning anything but their ABC's

[Travis A]

Starilae wrote:

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Doing regular sit up's usually wont give anyone the results they are looking for because our muscles tend to "remember" things.
If you do all your sits ups from a laying position, your ab's will get good at doing those specific types of movements and will stop "Learning" or building muscle (specifically the muscles that a certain movement targets).
Basically you have to change it up, I do many different types of sit up's that target different muscles in my stomach.
Tips:
Get an inclined chair, they have different difficulty settings so your muscles will always stay confused as you continue "working up"
This is what I use. http://s.sears.com/is/image/Sears/00615706000
Add some weights.
My stomach got used to the chair after a few weeks, and after i started doing 1000 sit ups on the chair's hardest level, I stopped developing muscle. So i starting looking for cheap ways to make my work out harder. So i grabbed some 50 lbs weights and would hold them behind my neck while i was in the chair.
Also another tip with the chair: Look again at the picture of the chair. Do you see the side with the black cylinder looking things (Leg rests)? Take some brick, or find a stair case and make that side rise higher, giving you more of an incline, thus improving your work out.
Soon though, your stomach will get used to all of this, thats when i started Hanging Sit ups.
Basically i would go to my local park where they had free pull up bars, jump on top on a bar and hang upside down. Basically upside down sit ups. After i got used to that, i added resistance (Weights) and held them behind my head too.
Here is a great tip. Lay on your back and lift your feet about 4 inches off the floor and just hold it. This works those muscles right above your privates.
Next, roll on your side (left or right, eventually both) with one foot on top of the other, and the palm of your hand on the ground ( You should be lifted up slighty, sorry, hard to explain) and just Squeeze your abs!
Take a big breathe, tense up your abbs and hold it for 10-15 seconds. Thats 1 set. Now do three sets on both sides (left or right) every day before doing your sit ups.
Also, when doing your sit ups, make sure to SQUEEZE your abbs when coming up, and SQUEEZE them again when coming down. This is the most important tip.
What your eat and your diet is also very important. If your trying to loose fat from around the stomach, diet is more effective than exercise since your abbs are always there, they are just covered up by fat. Simply loosing weight will let those abs show.
Try and work out after you wake up. get a good protein whey shake, and flush your muscles when nutrients when you first wake up.
At night, you arent eating, so when the morning comes around, your muscles are hungry. Using a protein shake is more effective than than eating in the morning before a workout because liquids are easier to absorb than solids. So getting your muscles the right amount of nutrients fast, when you wake up, is a must!
And most important, dont give up because you arent seeing results. They will come if you stick at it!

thanks:) i'll give it a shot

[Travis A]

Starilae wrote:

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Whats this about penguins?

theres a kids book where to male penguins get together and adopt a baby penguin...this really happens in the wild to pretty crazy right lol

[Travis A]

Starilae wrote:

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I agree with this, young kids shouldnt be learning anything but their ABC's

i agree to except i don't see how a book that will comfort a kid who has two moms/dads will be teaching kids to be gay considering you can't be turned gay because you are born gay unless your bi there is no choice and The American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the World Health Organization, and the American Academy of Pediatrics all agree with me...

http://www.clgs.org/official-statement-concer...

[Resist Ignorance]

DustyShadow wrote:

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It is the right of parents to determine how their children are raised. Lots of issues are not set in stone - they are still matters of opinion. Parents do not want their children instilled with a set of opinions that run diametrically opposed to their own. That isn't conducive to good family relationships. It is a parent's right to determine what information goes into their kids - tolerance be damned.

My father is a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, an anti-Semite, a miscegenist, anti-catholic, well, let's just say that he is an equal opportunity hater! Is he a bad person? You probably wouldn't think so. He constantly quotes bible passages, prays at every meal and goes to church three times a week. But, I rejected all of his senseless, baseless hatred. I rose above that.

If you do not want your children exposed to ideas "diametrically opposed" to your own then home school them, don't let them have friends or go outside. But someday, they will have to face the world. How well have you have prepared them?

[Gay Mom]

DustyShadow wrote:

Excuse me, what are you saying about a court case. Are you saying that people who speak out about homosexuality being taught in the schools should be sued?

Don't you just love picking one word out of context and running with it? Is that how you get your exercise? We're talking about the right to have ALL families portrayed in school. Children come from all kinds of families, so don't they deserve to see their family being talked about?

This reminds me, school books when I was a child (many, many, many years ago), there were no black families represented anywhere. Even in Christmas catalogs, no black dolls could be found. We've come a long way there, but still not far enough.

[Gay Mom]

DustyShadow wrote:

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It is the right of parents to determine how their children are raised. Lots of issues are not set in stone - they are still matters of opinion. Parents do not want their children instilled with a set of opinions that run diametrically opposed to their own. That isn't conducive to good family relationships. It is a parent's right to determine what information goes into their kids - tolerance be damned.

Those who disagree with the public schools have a right to home school their children, not to control the curriculum that is built for ALL children.

[Quest]

Starilae wrote:

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I agree with this, young kids shouldnt be learning anything but their ABC's

So, they shouldn't be learning compassion? To treat others as they would be treated? Respect for others?

What a sad world we would live in, if all a child learned was their ABCs.

[Quest]

DustyShadow wrote:

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High school, sure, but not young children. I would totally resent my kids having homosexual information forced on them at an early age, like kids having to read that dumb story about the "homosexual" penguins, who took up with females as soon as some became available. That's what these parents are protesting - tolerance training done early.

Define "homosexual information."

Tolerance training can NEVER be done too early. There are kids raised by wonderful same sex parents in your kid's school, right now. You kids are being taught by gay teachers, and coached by gay coaches. One of you kids might even be gay--certainly, one of their little friends is.

Now, little kids could care less about sexual orientation--NO ONE is teaching homosexuality--or heterosexuality-- for that matter. What needs to be taugh, at a basic level, is that families come in all kinds, and that's okay.

Because it IS okay.

[Robert]

Like I said earlier , if the parents don't teach kids basic decency and tolerance , the state will do it for them , to teach sex education to pre middle school kids is not wise any way in my opinion , but teaching diversity is not the same thing at all , the world is what it is , not letting kids see that people are different is not preparing them to live in the world.

The kids that they are "protecting" are in a consistent percentage are gay or bi-sexual any way , so in a way they are helping kids be comfortable with who they are.

[Starilae]

Quest wrote:

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So, they shouldn't be learning compassion? To treat others as they would be treated? Respect for others?
What a sad world we would live in, if all a child learned was their ABCs.

Yeah when it's an 8 year old in question. Go back and read my earlier post before making judgement on me.

[mugwah]

Starilae wrote:

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Whats this about penguins?

you'll have to forgive my friend Travis, he fixates some times but we still love him...when we start talking about waiting until later to teach our kids, thats were we run into problems with what is age appropriate? i remember finding a used sanitary napkin of my Mothers when i was still too young for school and asking all sorts of questions and getting answers that i did or did not understand. the point is i dont think i was a brillient child but i have to wonder if highschool is a bit late. in grade school kids are going to notice that there are different kinds of families just from watching tv (i think seseme street has a "two mommies" segment), i think we need to listen to our childrens questions very carefully, they will show us what is age appropriate by the questions they ask. and for gods sake don't lie to them, even if your god tells you it's wrong. find a way to tell them the truth as well as what you have chosen to believe if you can do it in a non-hateful manner. i don't want to encroach on anyones personal beliefs but the challenge now of holding belioefs that attemp to flouwt (sp) proven science are getting harder and harder to justify given the mass of media that we all are subjected to daily. inless your child lives in a cocoon, they see commercials and shows in family time that have the token gay charectures. what to do, what to do? well i think i have interupted Travis's personal treainer far too long, i thank you for your patience!

[Starilae]

mugwah wrote:

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you'll have to forgive my friend Travis, he fixates some times but we still love him...when we start talking about waiting until later to teach our kids, thats were we run into problems with what is age appropriate? i remember finding a used sanitary napkin of my Mothers when i was still too young for school and asking all sorts of questions and getting answers that i did or did not understand. the point is i dont think i was a brillient child but i have to wonder if highschool is a bit late. in grade school kids are going to notice that there are different kinds of families just from watching tv (i think seseme street has a "two mommies" segment), i think we need to listen to our childrens questions very carefully, they will show us what is age appropriate by the questions they ask. and for gods sake don't lie to them, even if your god tells you it's wrong. find a way to tell them the truth as well as what you have chosen to believe if you can do it in a non-hateful manner. i don't want to encroach on anyones personal beliefs but the challenge now of holding belioefs that attemp to flouwt (sp) proven science are getting harder and harder to justify given the mass of media that we all are subjected to daily. inless your child lives in a cocoon, they see commercials and shows in family time that have the token gay charectures. what to do, what to do? well i think i have interupted Travis's personal treainer far too long, i thank you for your patience!

I completely understand what your saying.

Personally, when i do have children, i want them to be ahead of the game. I'll be talking to my kids about sex as soon as they can distinguish a "pretty" girl from an "Ugly" one. That could be earlier than I expected.

Just to let everyone know, at 5 years old, i knew what intercourse was, and i knew that "Gay" was when two boy's "kissed each other" or "liked each other".

My parents didnt lie to me about ANYTHING. If i asked them a question, they told me straight up. I believe this early understanding led me to be the person i am today- cognitive, ambitious, imaginative, and Mensa certified.

[mugwah]

Starilae wrote:

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I completely understand what your saying.
Personally, when i do have children, i want them to be ahead of the game. I'll be talking to my kids about sex as soon as they can distinguish a "pretty" girl from an "Ugly" one. That could be earlier than I expected.
Just to let everyone know, at 5 years old, i knew what intercourse was, and i knew that "Gay" was when two boy's "kissed each other" or "liked each other".
My parents didnt lie to me about ANYTHING. If i asked them a question, they told me straight up. I believe this early understanding led me to be the person i am today- cognitive, ambitious, imaginative, and Mensa certified.

WOW! great pecs and Mensa certified, well if Travis hadn't seen you before me...well, you two will make a fine couple of weight liftin guy's, yes indeed! i'm leaving now...

[Travis A]

mugwah wrote:

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you'll have to forgive my friend Travis, he fixates some times but we still love him...when we start talking about waiting until later to teach our kids, thats were we run into problems with what is age appropriate? i remember finding a used sanitary napkin of my Mothers when i was still too young for school and asking all sorts of questions and getting answers that i did or did not understand. the point is i dont think i was a brillient child but i have to wonder if highschool is a bit late. in grade school kids are going to notice that there are different kinds of families just from watching tv (i think seseme street has a "two mommies" segment), i think we need to listen to our childrens questions very carefully, they will show us what is age appropriate by the questions they ask. and for gods sake don't lie to them, even if your god tells you it's wrong. find a way to tell them the truth as well as what you have chosen to believe if you can do it in a non-hateful manner. i don't want to encroach on anyones personal beliefs but the challenge now of holding belioefs that attemp to flouwt (sp) proven science are getting harder and harder to justify given the mass of media that we all are subjected to daily. inless your child lives in a cocoon, they see commercials and shows in family time that have the token gay charectures. what to do, what to do? well i think i have interupted Travis's personal treainer far too long, i thank you for your patience!

hey hey hey now lmao

[rdg1234]

DustyShadow wrote:

Excuse me, what are you saying about a court case. Are you saying that people who speak out about homosexuality being taught in the schools should be sued?

Yeah, and you know what I would do? You'd go on the witness stand for the prosecution.

You just acted like *you know homosexuality will be taught in schools*. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF MAINE came out saying it wouldn't be. The governor supported the gay marriage measure. But the anti-gay *spread literal, provably incorrect lies* about the idea that "gay marriage" -- really, GAY SEX is what I think they mean -- would be taught in schools.

Know what that is? Lying about someone's intentions or status quo is called libel, slander, defamation of character, etc.

I was a little harsh with you at the beginning of this post. I didn't mean to *presume* you are one of those people.

But I think lawsuits should be brought *specifically* for libel, slander or defamation of character, since the anti-gay campaigns *LIED ABOUT* the intentions of the pro-gay in passing gay marriage.

[rdg1234]

Resist Ignorance wrote:

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I agree. I watched the campaign of lies unfold in Maine just as it did in California and wondered, "Where is the campaign to counter the anti-gay lies"? Where was the ad that asked Maine voters how the felt being lied to? I believe that they did have a commercial using the attorney generals assurances but the "taught in schools" ads ran on. The marriage equality people should have been on to of this and countered with, "Maine voters, how does it feel to be lied to"? Will there be any backlash from NPR because NOM pieced together portions of a documentary (taken out of context) to use in their ads without permission? Will the Maine Ethics Commission really look into allegations of money laundering by Maggie Gallagher? Will the IRS ever look into the use of funds by the Mormons and Catholics?

It's just how I deal with things in life. I am fair-minded even where it does not benefit me. If I am being lied about or two, I up the ante *tremendously*, random example: I would go to *the feared head of a corporation* to set things straight. I do not f***ing take no for an answer. If I lost my job for doing that,*THERE'S PROOF* that I didn't want to be in an organization that spreads lies.

I've never once lost a single job or opportunity for being very up-front like that. Know what? People like it.

This "taught in schools" thing is a *GAR-GAN-TU-AN* problem for the pro-gay. I will never, never, never waver from the conviction that they should be upping the ante tremendously on it, talking about how *kids of gay parents* are damaged by the failure to pass marriage legislation, and bringing lawsuits *because it's defamatory and untrue*, and rests in *various social perceptions that are untrue*.

Vaughn Walker's case in California "promises" to begin looking into societal anti-gay animus in a widespread way. All the people who can't seem to hear what I'm saying may start changing their minds once his court case begins to unfold. Let us hope.

[rdg1234]

See?

Look at this thread.

See?

When will you be convinced?

EVERY time "gay" comes up, "sex" comes up. It's a misrepresentation and a lie *which is leading to gay rights being lost again and again*. It needs to be addressed much,

much,

much more forcefully than it's being addressed now.

[Desya]

Starilae wrote:

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I agree with this, young kids shouldnt be learning anything but their ABC's

So then I guess we should get rid of all of those fairytales and story books. Because they are EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Hearing about little susies two mommies is not about sex anymore than cinderella is.

[Desya]

Children need, NEED, NEED, sex education as soon as they can comprehend!
Basic education about bodies, differences between the two, what parts are for, etc should begin at age 5 or 6. Facts about puberty, attraction, changes in the body and emotions, and basic sex ed(how babies are made, etc.) should be WELL before puberty so that kids can be prepared for what will come (not at age 14 when things have already begun). Full sex education (how sex can be pleasurable, is a choice all people can make, safe sex practices, std's, difference ways one can have sex, abuse related things, etc.) should be at the end of middle school/beginning of high school (around age 13-15).

The lack of education we have today is a large part of why kids are having unsafe sex so much, we need to tackle this long before they hear it from their friends. Sheltering them from all mentions of sex just leaves them unprepared when the situation presents itself.