An infantile spectacle

An infantile spectacle

There are 303 comments on the Politico story from Jan 16, 2013, titled An infantile spectacle. In it, Politico reports that:

President Barack Obama set a new standard Wednesday for stupidly exploitative White House events by appearing onstage with children to unveil his gun control proposals.

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#128 Jan 19, 2013
Squach wrote:
Not having been there and not knowing anything to the contrary, what should I do? Make up a story?
You did when you said he stole the weapons.

You know nothing of the kind.

We certain know his mother made these weapons available to him, and the NRA made them available to his mother.

And there are 27 dead in Connecticut for it.

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#129 Jan 19, 2013
Squach wrote:
Cars and hammers can and have been used as weapons though, haven't they?
27 were killed in Connecticut from a single assault weapon.

Call me when someone kills 27 with a hammer.

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Salt Lake City, UT

#130 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So what?
She had not only given him permission to use these assault weapons before, she went shooting with him.
Consent is implied.
Here you go with your implied consent again. That just doesn't fly at all.

Your theory has been debunked by several people on other forums. It falls back to "he knew or should have known." He needed express consent to take them firearms.

If I let you borrow my hammer 5 times and even use it on the same project that does NOT give you implied consent to take it whenever you want to. If you can show case law that shows otherwise I would love to read it. But since you probably can't you'll either fall back on your 3rd grade tactics, ignore the post, say it isn't your job to prove your statements or duck dodge & swirl.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#131 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So what?
She had not only given him permission to use these assault weapons before, she went shooting with him.
Consent is implied.
No, consent is NOT implied. I teach young folks hunting and firearms safety and just because I take them to the range to shoot and learn in NO WAY implies that they have consent to touch those firearms without instructor supervision. I suppose you think she gave him permission to kill her too? The POS psycho committed murder, robbed the person he murdered, then went and committed a mass murder. This psycho POS was an individual, he acted as an individual, and is individually responsible for his actions. Stop blaming society in general for the actions of an individual. That attitude is a red herring. Until we find a way of dealing with the psycho killer individuals in our society we will not be free of their random violence. It's convenient to blame it on guns, blame it on "the gun culture", blame it on the parents, blame it on the politicians, ect... but until the blame is placed where it belongs, on the individual, we are doing NOTHING to solve the problem.

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#132 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>No, consent is NOT implied.
It is implied, but I use what the law says, and certainly you have absolutely no proof that he STOLE the weapons that his mother allowed him to use.

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#133 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
I teach young folks hunting and firearms safety and just because I take them to the range
Apples and oranges.

They aren't your kids. And if you let your kids borrow your rifles or your car or your lawn mower unless you specifically tell them otherwise, consent is implied.

And I see you have no proof that the killer did not have permission to use those weapons, you have already stated that you "heard" that he stole them.

I "heard" you had unnatural desires in those kids you take to the range.

How 'bout that?

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#134 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
The POS psycho committed murder
If he was a psycho, he would not have been responsible for the murder.

And we have already established you have absolutely no proof he stole the weapons.

And if he was a pyscho, his mother knew him better than any other person on the face of the earth yet she had a gun collection and clearly gave him access to the weapons.

It isn't hard to see how Sandy Hook could have been avoided if the killer had not had access to the assault weapon that was designed to do exactly what he used it for: to kill many people in quickly and efficiently.

This weapon and similar weapons have no place in our society. Had the ban been in place: there would not have been a Sandy Hook.

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#135 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
It's convenient to blame it on guns, blame it on "the gun culture",
The blame lies at the feet of the NRA who fought so hard to make assault weapons like the one used by the killer so easy to obtain.

There are thousands of psychos like this killer out there right now.

It will happen again.

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Salt Lake City, UT

#136 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It will happen again.
Even with a gun ban. Just like Columbine did...

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Salt Lake City, UT

#137 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Apples and oranges.
They aren't your kids. And if you let your kids borrow your rifles or your car or your lawn mower unless you specifically tell them otherwise, consent is implied.
And I see you have no proof that the killer did not have permission to use those weapons, you have already stated that you "heard" that he stole them.
I "heard" you had unnatural desires in those kids you take to the range.
How 'bout that?
So if I let my son fire one of my firearms at the range with me he can take them whenever he wants? How many times can I let him use them before he rates "implied consent" and can take them whenever he wants?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#138 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It is implied, but I use what the law says, and certainly you have absolutely no proof that he STOLE the weapons that his mother allowed him to use.
She obviously didn't give him permission to kill her in her sleep. After he killed her he took the guns from the house. You imply consent from a deceased murder victim? I don't think you apply the law very well. The law would classify that as a murder/robbery. If you're my neighbor and I allow you use my rifle to go hunting, does that imply that later after hunting season you can walk in and take it again without asking? It does not. Try again. When you finally get around to placing the blame where it belongs, on the individual who committed this heinous act, you'll be on the right track to doing something about it.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#139 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The blame lies at the feet of the NRA who fought so hard to make assault weapons like the one used by the killer so easy to obtain.
There are thousands of psychos like this killer out there right now.
It will happen again.
No, the blame lies directly and completely on the individual who pulled the trigger. Plain and simple. Stop trying to blame society for the actions of an individual. We are each responsible for our own actions as individuals both morally and under the law.

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#140 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>No, the blame lies directly and completely on the individual who pulled the trigger.
The blame lies with the people that put this assault weapon into the hands of the killer.

Funny how you can blame video games in one breath and then say in the next the blame lies entirely with the killer.

Eh?

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#141 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
Stop trying to blame society for the actions of an individual..
Stop making up things I did not say.

I know: it's part of the NRA code.

But it makes you look like a m/f c/s liar.
NRA

Huntsville, AL

#142 Jan 20, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>No, the blame lies directly and completely on the individual who pulled the trigger. Plain and simple. Stop trying to blame society for the actions of an individual. We are each responsible for our own actions as individuals both morally and under the law.
isn't society. It is an industry lobby promoting a deadly product produc that it doesn't want regulated.

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#143 Jan 20, 2013
duzitreallymatter wrote:
So if I let my son fire one of my firearms at the range with me he can take them whenever he wants?
If you tell him he can use your shotgun when he wants, you cannot come back later and say he stole your weapon when you find out that dropped it over the side of the boat.

There is implied consent when you load out anything. If someone want to borrow your pickup truck to move a couch across town, you can say he can borrow your truck, your you can say he can borrow your truck to move the couch across town and he is to go straight from your house to his house to his new house and back, and he has an hour to do it, that is a conditional consent.

If you tell your friend that you are at work and don't use the truck and the key is on the pegboard next to the stove: he can pretty much do whatever he wants, you cannot come back and say he stole the truck if he ends up driving it into a tree.

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#144 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The blame lies with the people that put this assault weapon into the hands of the killer.
Funny how you can blame video games in one breath and then say in the next the blame lies entirely with the killer.
Eh?
Based on your interpretation (as skewed as it seems) of implied consent his mother is responsible. Everyone else is free and clear.

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#145 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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If you tell him he can use your shotgun when he wants, you cannot come back later and say he stole your weapon when you find out that dropped it over the side of the boat.
There is implied consent when you load out anything. If someone want to borrow your pickup truck to move a couch across town, you can say he can borrow your truck, your you can say he can borrow your truck to move the couch across town and he is to go straight from your house to his house to his new house and back, and he has an hour to do it, that is a conditional consent.
If you tell your friend that you are at work and don't use the truck and the key is on the pegboard next to the stove: he can pretty much do whatever he wants, you cannot come back and say he stole the truck if he ends up driving it into a tree.
When you loan something out there is EXPRESS consent.

Go back to the post you are responding to.

If I take my son to the range and let him shoot my firearms, are you saying he has unfettered access to those weapons anytime he wants with no further permission? Just a yes or no will work.

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#146 Jan 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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If you tell him he can use your shotgun when he wants, you cannot come back later and say he stole your weapon when you find out that dropped it over the side of the boat.
Are you saying you have knowledge that the mother told him he could use the firearms whenever he wanted? If you do have that knowledge please share where you found it. If so that is not implied consent but express consent.

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#147 Jan 20, 2013
duzitreallymatter wrote:
Based on your interpretation
I cannot help you no speakie the English.

You keep working on the GED, though.

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