The Girl Scout murders revisited

The Girl Scout murders revisited

There are 254 comments on the KFOR-TV Oklahoma City story from May 23, 2007, titled The Girl Scout murders revisited. In it, KFOR-TV Oklahoma City reports that:

“I couldn't wait to write. Love, Lori.”

There is new information on a haunting event that changed our state. It was a stormy June night thirty years ago at Camp Scott near Locust Grove. via KFOR-TV Oklahoma City

Join the discussion below, or Read more at KFOR-TV Oklahoma City.

BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#241 Mar 29, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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Okay, first you know where I live and you're going to track me down. Then you admit you don't have a clue. Thanks for proving me right. Also, your constant inane postings on these forums just prove what I and many others have said.
Now you sound like you're scared. If I don't leave the forum, you're going to attempt to ban me? What happened to you were going to pound me with replies? You're full of crap! Anyway, I've got better things to do and I don't want people mad at me for making the tard look bad when he can do that all by himself.
I give you permission to get the last word in since I know that's what you'll have to do. Depending on what you say though, I retain the option to come back and flame your butt if necessary. Later, tater!
You have a few responces to catch up on friend. Now if you don,t rspond any further i will go on a long cruise on the carnival cruiseship and take me a sunny vaction./
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#242 Mar 29, 2013
Goodby you have lost the battle. I have defeated you once again on this forum and anytime your ready for another battle on another forum i,am ready to challenge..As for me i,am going on a sunny vacation..
Grammar Police

Muskogee, OK

#243 Mar 30, 2013
BIG BAD JOHN wrote:
Goodby you have lost the battle. I have defeated you once again on this forum and anytime your ready for another battle on another forum i,am ready to challenge..As for me i,am going on a sunny vacation..
Really? You defeated me again? When have you ever defeated me before? When have you even met me before on here? You really are a legend in your own mind! LOL!

What battle did I lose? You haven't even presented a challenge. You've made it too easy. I've gotten bored with you. I'm not the one who can't spell or present a coherent thought on here. That's you. I don't need to respond to every post you make. Most of them are not worth responding to. I do enjoy seeing you running around this forum like a dancing monkey though.

I think you've already gone on a sunny vacation. I think you've been on a vacation for quite some time. Now go take your meds. The last dose looks like it has worn off. I give you permission to keep dancing on here for my amusement.
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#244 Mar 30, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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Really? You defeated me again? When have you ever defeated me before? When have you even met me before on here? You really are a legend in your own mind! LOL!
What battle did I lose? You haven't even presented a challenge. You've made it too easy. I've gotten bored with you. I'm not the one who can't spell or present a coherent thought on here. That's you. I don't need to respond to every post you make. Most of them are not worth responding to. I do enjoy seeing you running around this forum like a dancing monkey though.
I think you've already gone on a sunny vacation. I think you've been on a vacation for quite some time. Now go take your meds. The last dose looks like it has worn off. I give you permission to keep dancing on here for my amusement.
I figured i could get you to respond. Yeaaa not that bright are you? Sorry i don,t take meds are drugs its not my stlye. Actaully i don,t see anything that is considered crazy about kicking your butt all over this forum. I enjoy this as i know you are going to keep responding right? i have all the time in the wrold to keep replying to your messages right?Now so long friend i have other forums to dance on.
Grammar Police

Muskogee, OK

#245 Mar 30, 2013
BIG BAD JOHN wrote:
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I figured i could get you to respond. Yeaaa not that bright are you? Sorry i don,t take meds are drugs its not my stlye. Actaully i don,t see anything that is considered crazy about kicking your butt all over this forum. I enjoy this as i know you are going to keep responding right? i have all the time in the wrold to keep replying to your messages right?Now so long friend i have other forums to dance on.
Not that bright? Smarter than you'll ever be. If making yourself look like an idiot and then agreeing with me when I say that you are an idiot equates to kicking my butt all over this forum, then please continue! LMAO!

You enjoy being the resident monkey-boy on here? Again, please continue. You're doing a great job! Please continue dancing little monkey. I give you permission to dance and be our little monkey on here! Carry on.
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#246 Mar 31, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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Not that bright? Smarter than you'll ever be. If making yourself look like an idiot and then agreeing with me when I say that you are an idiot equates to kicking my butt all over this forum, then please continue! LMAO!
You enjoy being the resident monkey-boy on here? Again, please continue. You're doing a great job! Please continue dancing little monkey. I give you permission to dance and be our little monkey on here! Carry on.

Yeaaaa that is what i plan to do. Thanks for your help as well you may not relize this but with your great responces it is making you and i look bad. When they read your messages and mine also they will not want to post on this topic. Yeaaa leave the forum i,am tired of winning these battles with you.
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#247 Mar 31, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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Not that bright? Smarter than you'll ever be. If making yourself look like an idiot and then agreeing with me when I say that you are an idiot equates to kicking my butt all over this forum, then please continue! LMAO!
You enjoy being the resident monkey-boy on here? Again, please continue. You're doing a great job! Please continue dancing little monkey. I give you permission to dance and be our little monkey on here! Carry on.

You can not defeat the ole mighty big bad john. I have been known to destroy many topic forums and chew snuff and eat and kick butt on a topix forum at the same time. Money trees grow in my backyard and free time for me is 24 hours a day. Shall i leave 200 replys to your messages???
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#248 Mar 31, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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Not that bright? Smarter than you'll ever be. If making yourself look like an idiot and then agreeing with me when I say that you are an idiot equates to kicking my butt all over this forum, then please continue! LMAO!
You enjoy being the resident monkey-boy on here? Again, please continue. You're doing a great job! Please continue dancing little monkey. I give you permission to dance and be our little monkey on here! Carry on.

you have been banned from the forum sorry to tell you that.
Grammar Police

Coweta, OK

#249 Mar 31, 2013
BIG BAD JOHN wrote:
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you have been banned from the forum sorry to tell you that.
I can see that I misjudged you. Going by your attempts at writing, I had figured you to be about 7 years old. Now I can see that I estimated rather high. You have to be about 2 or less. At least, that's about your mental capacity. Your last 3 posts just proved it.

I've been banned? By whom? And yet, here I am. You might want to get those meds adjusted there. The only thing big and bad about you is your smell. I'm pretty much done with you. Have been for a while. I'm going to let you talk to yourself on here for a little while. I give you permission to continue making a butt of yourself on here.
Big bad john

Fort Worth, TX

#250 Mar 31, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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I can see that I misjudged you. Going by your attempts at writing, I had figured you to be about 7 years old. Now I can see that I estimated rather high. You have to be about 2 or less. At least, that's about your mental capacity. Your last 3 posts just proved it.
I've been banned? By whom? And yet, here I am. You might want to get those meds adjusted there. The only thing big and bad about you is your smell. I'm pretty much done with you. Have been for a while. I'm going to let you talk to yourself on here for a little while. I give you permission to continue making a butt of yourself on here.
My fellow friend it would be to easy for me to make you respond. I myself is going to take a break from here. But as always when you do respond i will be here to reply. I could say all kinds of things to force you to respond but since you have decided to take a long break i won,t have fun on here talking to myself right? Yeaaa you started this hole mess right? Also you are backing down right? Never mind i have won another long battle with you on this forum.
Big bad john

Fort Worth, TX

#251 Mar 31, 2013
Grammar Police wrote:
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I can see that I misjudged you. Going by your attempts at writing, I had figured you to be about 7 years old. Now I can see that I estimated rather high. You have to be about 2 or less. At least, that's about your mental capacity. Your last 3 posts just proved it.
I've been banned? By whom? And yet, here I am. You might want to get those meds adjusted there. The only thing big and bad about you is your smell. I'm pretty much done with you. Have been for a while. I'm going to let you talk to yourself on here for a little while. I give you permission to continue making a butt of yourself on here.
My fellow friend don,t believe everything i tell you no you have not been banned but consider yourself banned because when you post i,am going to stomp on each message you write. Now go to bed and get ready for work tommorow....
watcher

New Zealand

#252 Apr 20, 2013
I read all 231 posts on this forum, this is a very interesting case. It is a pity 2 people squabbling turned what was interesting discussion into complete and utter drivel. Well I hope they figure this one out and get a definite answer for the families involved.

From reading around it seems to me the Bill Stevens lead should be investigated more thoroughly... being found with bloody shoes in a cafe and all.

Also everyone seems to ignoring this Bob guy who goes on about the Bryans family... Rupert Bryan, Jimmy Bryan and the dead dad who was apparently to take a stand against his own sons for commitng this crime.. where does this information come from? Bob..? I can't really see the link from anything you have given.

Then there is another guy called Terry Martin whose own family thinks he is the killer after molesting his own family.. taking them to the site of the Girl Scout murders and laughing about it... and also living right outside the gate to this place... hmm they say killers like to be close to the scene of their crime don't they.

Well anyway i don't know anything just summing up what i read over the last 4 hours, last thing i have to say is I have to say that the trailer for the movie "candles" looks absolutely terrible and is probably just a guy trying to make a quick buck on something that has been pulling on people's heart strings for years.

Good luck with this i hope that possibly they can get a real DNA profile one day.
watcher

New Zealand

#253 Apr 20, 2013
watcher

New Zealand

#254 Apr 21, 2013
Hmmm.... Gene Leroy Hart does look pretty guilty 1987 results revealed 99.88% likelihood 12 in 100,000 could have that DNA.... having the glasses... his hair on the duck tape that bound one of the girls... proof his vasectomy had not worked.. Also I don't see why people think he couldn't have done it alone. They were small children, a football star would hardly have trouble moving them... having sleeping bags would have made it easier to move them as well and he had hours while people slept. Can't believe the victims family's were treated so badly by the community.
Sad story all in all.
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#256 Apr 22, 2013
watcher wrote:
Hmmm.... Gene Leroy Hart does look pretty guilty 1987 results revealed 99.88% likelihood 12 in 100,000 could have that DNA.... having the glasses... his hair on the duck tape that bound one of the girls... proof his vasectomy had not worked.. Also I don't see why people think he couldn't have done it alone. They were small children, a football star would hardly have trouble moving them... having sleeping bags would have made it easier to move them as well and he had hours while people slept. Can't believe the victims family's were treated so badly by the community.
Sad story all in all.

Mr weight watcher so glad you have joined this topic. This case was flushed down the toolit like a 50 foot turd many years ago. Yes it was more then likely the one but also there are a few loose ends on this case. My mommie was still wiping my snose at age 13 when this all happened and it gave me the creeps for many years after. We all knew more then likely that gene heart was guilty but everyone wanted full proof of that and there never has been up to this date. Alot of things point aganst him and even some indian tribes say he done it but there are are a few loose ends. He was in no doult a awfull person and a rapeist but the history of him indicated he only raped women and had no history of harming children and yes there is always a first time but then again was he set up?? I have heard there was a sex offender that lived close by and knowing that gene was on the loose he would have been the perfect set-up right? In my belief i say there is a good 90 percent chance that it was him that did the crime and there are alot of things that point aganst him. There are a few loose ends that have not yet ever been solved and probly never will. Nevertheless the man is gone now and even if it were actally another man he too is porobly dead by now by old age. This topic is creepy mr weight watcher and gives me the creeps every time i read it recalling those nights at home when i was a kid knowing that gene heart was on the loose.
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#257 Apr 22, 2013
watcher wrote:
I read all 231 posts on this forum, this is a very interesting case. It is a pity 2 people squabbling turned what was interesting discussion into complete and utter drivel. Well I hope they figure this one out and get a definite answer for the families involved.
From reading around it seems to me the Bill Stevens lead should be investigated more thoroughly... being found with bloody shoes in a cafe and all.
Also everyone seems to ignoring this Bob guy who goes on about the Bryans family... Rupert Bryan, Jimmy Bryan and the dead dad who was apparently to take a stand against his own sons for commitng this crime.. where does this information come from? Bob..? I can't really see the link from anything you have given.

Then there is another guy called Terry Martin whose own family thinks he is the killer after molesting his own family.. taking them to the site of the Girl Scout murders and laughing about it... and also living right outside the gate to this place... hmm they say killers like to be close to the scene of their crime don't they.
Well anyway i don't know anything just summing up what i read over the last 4 hours, last thing i have to say is I have to say that the trailer for the movie "candles" looks absolutely terrible and is probably just a guy trying to make a quick buck on something that has been pulling on people's heart strings for years.
Good luck with this i hope that possibly they can get a real DNA profile one day.

Mr weight watcher your very long winded as it is and not to metion you must have a bad eye strain to read all these messages. That was a very creeppy summer to recall.
watcher

New Zealand

#258 Apr 22, 2013
big bad john lets not forget he raped "pregnant" woman... putting him one step closer to being a pedophile in some ways. A sicko indeed. Thank you i am watching my weight, i look fantabulous!
BIG BAD JOHN

Fort Worth, TX

#259 Apr 23, 2013
watcher wrote:
big bad john lets not forget he raped "pregnant" woman... putting him one step closer to being a pedophile in some ways. A sicko indeed. Thank you i am watching my weight, i look fantabulous!

He is pretty much guilty mr watcher but there are still loose ends on this crime. I have even heard some of his own people say he done this.
LG Born

Slick, OK

#260 Jun 19, 2013
There is so many things that do NOT add up in this crime.

I remember it happening & reading it. I spent the summer before at the same camp.

Gene Leroy Hart had been in jail, but escaped from there & also stopped to take some of his belongings with him when he escaped. That doesn't sound correct. Because if it had been anyone else would they have stopped to collect those personal belongings?

Here is another idea, What happened to the counselor that disappeared, right after this. They never did find her or her boyfriend, to question them, did they.

I have not read the book, but have read several articles. I will be reading the book & soon.

I am so tired of others from around the country, give their opinion & not have all of the facts. Do I have all of the facts, No, I do not, because if I did this case would be solved & closed, so that the families of those girls can have closure to their nightmare.

I am not saying that Gene Hart did or did not do this crime, he could have & if he had he would have had to have some help. It could have been the counselor, boyfriend of the counselor, another resident that has mental problems & so forth.

I feel that the girls had to know or trust the person that did this, why? Because they didn't scream out for help when they were being taken.

I don't doubt that several residents or family members didn't help Hart out. But to find, the same belongings that he was booked into jail with on him when they found him, seems kinda fishy to me.

So I pray & hope that someone will investigate all areas & find the answers that the families deserve to have to finally put it all to rest & have closure for their family.

I feel our community, has had enough terrible exposure over the last several years & decades & enough media exposure that we could all use a Case Solved stamped to our community.
Mayor_Maynot

United States

#261 Jun 23, 2013
Kimberly wrote:
<quoted text> I stayed in that tent with four other girls the January before that happened. We had the tent flaps up during that Saterday because it was such a nice day. Well,as evening fell we lowered the flaps because it was getting cold. Well, one corner we couldn't get the flaps to match up and close. So there was a big gap there where anyone could have put their hand in. We played then as 12 year olds will do. All of a sudden we saw this face looking in at us in that corner. The guy had black framed glasses on. Needless to say we were scared. We wanted to go tell the troop leaders but were afraid to leave the tent at night. So we waited till in the morning. But during that night we slept in the center of the tent. Four of them in the middle and me at the their heads. I woke up later that night with my legs, sleeping bag and all, haning out the side of the tent under the flap. Needless to say I didn't sleep the rest of the night. The next morning we went to the troop leader and told her and she told us it was an owl. I explained about my legs and she just blew me off. I don't know about three of the girls. But I took care of one of the girls daughter at the hospital when she was sick. And the mother and I got to talking and remembered the story. Neither one of us told anyone else out side the troop leader because we were both afraid we would be ignored by them like we were our troop leader.
Wow you said black frame glasses. Some years ago I lived in an apartment complex here in Tulsa. One of my neighbors was a Gary Hart. He said he was the nephew of Gene Leroy Hart. After watching his interaction with a woman that lived in his apartment with him I really began to think that he did it and Gene took the heat to keep his nephew under the radar. I wonder how similar DNA results would be between the two ??? That woman finally was able to leave Gary's apartment and found safe harbor at a home nearby. She had some mental conditions that prevented her from functioning in a normal way. I think her fear kept her from eating causing severe anorexia. Anyway Gary knew that I knew where she moved to. So one day he hatched a scheme called the police and told TPD that I was in collusion with another individual who was allegedly holding her captive.(Gary was trying to recapture her with this scheme). I took the police to the apartment where she was living. TPD talked to her through the door and they were satisfied that she wasn't being held against her will. Double check genes nephew, Gary.

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