When It Comes To Guns, How Young Is T...

When It Comes To Guns, How Young Is Too Young?

There are 190 comments on the National Public Radio story from May 2, 2013, titled When It Comes To Guns, How Young Is Too Young?. In it, National Public Radio reports that:

The shooting death of a 2-year-old girl in Kentucky at the hands of her 5-year-old brother has opened up yet another debate about gun control.

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#23 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
I was talking about educating about safety. What if your child found a gun outside of your home?
Why not join the real world: guns are found in the home, not outside in the bushes.

TAMPA — A 3-year-old boy who found a gun in a backpack and shot himself died Tuesday night, authorities said, a local addition to this month's spate of child shootings nationwide.

The boy, identified by the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office as Jadarrius Speights, was with his mother, father and uncle in Apartment 109 of the Avesta apartments at 13144 N 22nd St., just west of the University of South Florida.

The uncle, Jeffrey D. Walker, 29, had bought the 9mm gun at a gun shop and had left it in a backpack in a bedroom he shared with the boy, said sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter.

Carter said investigators believe the child found the gun and accidentally shot himself.

Walker was arrested late Tuesday and faces a culpable negligence charge, the Sheriff's Office said. He holds a concealed weapons permit, authorities said.

The boy's parents, Jasmine Bell, 21, and Trentin Speights, 22, were in their bedroom at the time of the shooting.

A 911 call about the shooting came in at 7:10 p.m., Carter said. The boy was transported to Florida Hospital Tampa, where he later died.

Tuesday's shooting came days after accidental shootings of children in South Florida, Alabama and Kentucky.

• On Saturday night, a 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 6-year-old sister in Oakland Park, just north of Fort Lauderdale. The girl, Angela Divin, was hospitalized in critical condition. The brother, whose name was not released, accidently pulled the trigger of a handgun he found while the two were alone at their Oakland Park home around 7 p.m., authorities said.

• On Friday, a 4-year-old boy in Brighton, Ala., was hospitalized in critical condition after being shot. The boy and a 4-year-old girl were in a bedroom when one of them got hold of a gun, authorities said. Police were not sure which child had the gun, and the incident was under investigation.

• On April 30, 2-year-old Caroline Sparks died after her 5-year-old brother accidentally shot her with his gun, authorities said — a weapon marketed for children as "My First Rifle."

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#24 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
Of course all firearms should be secure from children. I didn't imply they shouldn't.
When someone is trying to sell firearms in the home to protect the family, the equation should include the fact that many times more people are killed in the family that the gun was bought to protect.

These kinds of killings should not be seen as accidents but crimes.
FormerParatroope r

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#25 May 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Why not join the real world: guns are found in the home, not outside in the bushes.
TAMPA — A 3-year-old boy who found a gun in a backpack and shot himself died Tuesday night, authorities said, a local addition to this month's spate of child shootings nationwide.
The boy, identified by the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office as Jadarrius Speights, was with his mother, father and uncle in Apartment 109 of the Avesta apartments at 13144 N 22nd St., just west of the University of South Florida.
The uncle, Jeffrey D. Walker, 29, had bought the 9mm gun at a gun shop and had left it in a backpack in a bedroom he shared with the boy, said sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter.
Carter said investigators believe the child found the gun and accidentally shot himself.
Walker was arrested late Tuesday and faces a culpable negligence charge, the Sheriff's Office said. He holds a concealed weapons permit, authorities said.
The boy's parents, Jasmine Bell, 21, and Trentin Speights, 22, were in their bedroom at the time of the shooting.
A 911 call about the shooting came in at 7:10 p.m., Carter said. The boy was transported to Florida Hospital Tampa, where he later died.
Tuesday's shooting came days after accidental shootings of children in South Florida, Alabama and Kentucky.
• On Saturday night, a 13-year-old boy accidentally shot his 6-year-old sister in Oakland Park, just north of Fort Lauderdale. The girl, Angela Divin, was hospitalized in critical condition. The brother, whose name was not released, accidently pulled the trigger of a handgun he found while the two were alone at their Oakland Park home around 7 p.m., authorities said.
• On Friday, a 4-year-old boy in Brighton, Ala., was hospitalized in critical condition after being shot. The boy and a 4-year-old girl were in a bedroom when one of them got hold of a gun, authorities said. Police were not sure which child had the gun, and the incident was under investigation.
• On April 30, 2-year-old Caroline Sparks died after her 5-year-old brother accidentally shot her with his gun, authorities said — a weapon marketed for children as "My First Rifle."
In the real world children have come across firearms in the bushes as you state, also on playgrounds, and anywhere a criminal may quickly dispose a firearm.

Also, outside the home refers to other peoples homes as well.

So my original post stating education about firearms and NOT touching them is better than not educating them for the worst case. I know children will do thing you tell them not to do, but failing safety is not an option in the the world.

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#26 May 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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When someone is trying to sell firearms in the home to protect the family, the equation should include the fact that many times more people are killed in the family that the gun was bought to protect.
These kinds of killings should not be seen as accidents but crimes.
PROVE that which you assert.
FormerParatroope r

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#27 May 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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When someone is trying to sell firearms in the home to protect the family, the equation should include the fact that many times more people are killed in the family that the gun was bought to protect.
These kinds of killings should not be seen as accidents but crimes.
I can agree with your post here.

You can also add that having bleach and ammonia in your home increases the possibilty of chlorine poisoning. Having medications increases the chances of overdose. Having knives increases odds of cuts. Having a gas appliance increasing the chance of carbon monoxide poisoning, fire and explosion.

GunShow1

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#28 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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I can agree with your post here.
You can also add that having bleach and ammonia in your home increases the possibilty of chlorine poisoning. Having medications increases the chances of overdose. Having knives increases odds of cuts. Having a gas appliance increasing the chance of carbon monoxide poisoning, fire and explosion.
Don't forget the water in bath tubs and swimming pools. As that causes 52 times the amount of deaths as guns do.
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#29 May 19, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
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Don't forget the water in bath tubs and swimming pools. As that causes 52 times the amount of deaths as guns do.
True. All of these things can be mitigated with educating your children and take prudent actions to protect them.

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#30 May 19, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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True. All of these things can be mitigated with educating your children and take prudent actions to protect them.
PRECISELY.

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#31 May 20, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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In the real world children have come across firearms in the bushes as you state, also on playgrounds, and anywhere a criminal may quickly dispose a firearm.
No, they don't, statistically.

They are killed in the home with daddy's gun.

And if they don't kill themselves, they kill their brother or their best friend.

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#32 May 20, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
Having knives increases odds of cuts.
So you are saying that having a firearm in the house increases the possibility that a child is going to kill himself or the friend or the next door neighbor.

Compared to not having a firearm eliminates entirely the possibility of a child accidentally killing himself or a friend unless he gets the gun from his friend who gets it from someone like you who leaves the firearm unlocked.

GunShow1

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#33 May 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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No, they don't, statistically.
They are killed in the home with daddy's gun.
And if they don't kill themselves, they kill their brother or their best friend.
"Blackstone says: "The principle aim of society is to protect individuals in the enjoyment of those absolute rights which were vested in them by the immutable laws of nature." That those absolute rights are the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right of private property; that these are "usually summed up in one general appellation, and denominated the natural liberty of mankind," liberty "more generally talked of," he says, "than thoroughly understood." "auxiliary" and "subordinate" to these, he continues, are certain other rights, which serve principally as outworks, or barriers, to protect and maintain inviolate the three great and primary rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: 1 Blackstone Com. 141.

"Among these auxiliary rights and outworks of natural liberty, the distinguished commentator ranks, along with the "regular adminstration of justice" and the "right of petition," the co-equal "right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." The context leaves no doubt of the author's meaning, that the people's right to keep and use arms, was a barrier against the encroachments of rulers as well as others. For he says, referring to the absolute rights of personal security, personal liberty, and private property: "So long as these remain inviolate, the subject is perfectly free, for every species of compulsive tyranny and oppression must act in oppostion to one or other of these rights, having no other object on which it can possibly be employed." ..."

- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
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#34 May 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So you are saying that having a firearm in the house increases the possibility that a child is going to kill himself or the friend or the next door neighbor.
Compared to not having a firearm eliminates entirely the possibility of a child accidentally killing himself or a friend unless he gets the gun from his friend who gets it from someone like you who leaves the firearm unlocked.
"If, then, the arms-bearing right of the people is, as Blackstone says, an integral and inseparable part of their absolute rights as individuals, it follows that any and every constitution which assumes to protect life, liberty and property, necessarily insures the right of all the people to keep and bear arms, unless the contrary intention is clearly expressed, Hence the right is in nowise dependent upon the clause asserting that a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The right exists whether the constitution contains that clause or not...."

"...But "these instruments," he says, "measure the power of the rulers; they do not measure the rights of the governed:" Cooley's Constitutional Limitations 37. "Neither military nor civil law," says the same high authority, "can take from the citizen the right to bear arms for the common defence. This is an inherited and traditionary right, guaranteed, also, by state and federal constitutions...."

"....... For all these repugnances of our statute to the acts of congress, I must pronounce the former unauthorized legislation in all its parts. Let the relator be discharged."

- Judge William Henry Barnum,[People, Ex. Rel. Bielfeld, v. Affelt. Illinois--Cook County Circuit Court. 1879.]
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#35 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1879.
GunShow1 wrote:
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GunShow1 wrote:
Why were there NO 'gun control laws' from 1791 all the way up to 1934?
Kentucky enacted the first carrying concealed weapon statute in the United States in 1813.

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#36 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
"If, then, the arms-bearing right of the people is
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#37 May 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

"There is an important distinction between firearms and fireworks. Some general knowledge of firearms is important to the public welfare; because it would be impossible, in case of war to organize promptly an efficient force of volunteers unless the people had some familiarity with weapons of war. The Constitution secures the right of the people to keep and bear arms. No doubt, a citizen who keeps a gun or pistol under judicious precautions practises in safe places the use of it, and in due time teaches his sons to do the same, exercises his individual right. No doubt a person whose residence or duties involve peculiar peril may keep a pistol for prudent self-defence...."

"...As to guns and pistols, then the citizen who practises with them is in the exercise of a constitutional right; and to mulct him for any unfortunate consequences, proof is needed that he was careless. He must exercise due care to avoid doing mischief. Sic utere tuo ut alienum non loedas--use your gun so as not to hurt another man--is a time honored maxim."

- Benjamin Vaughan Abbott, Judge and Jury: A Popular Explanation of Leading Topics in the Law of the Land. NEW YORK HARPER & BROTHERS, FRANKLIN SQUARE [1880](Mr. Abbott graduated from New York University in 1850, and Harvard Law School in 1851. He was the secretary of the New York Code Commission, which drew up the state's penal code in 1864. He also served on a commission created to revise the statutes of the United States from 1870-1872).

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#38 May 20, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1864.
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_Dirty Hungarian Phrasebook_, 1970.

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#39 May 20, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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1970.
"In regard to the third allegation: it is indeed a strange state of civil society, when the very basis upon which all associations of men are formed, is imputed to a man as a crime. If self-defence which is so much an axiom: so commanding the instinctive approbation of all men and times as to be known as the "first law of nature," has to be defended, I might as well quit the field in despair. But if it was not a virtue of the highest order, to resist mobs, which are violators of the peace, and in derogation of the dignity and safety of the commonwealth, I need but bring the National and state Constitutions to my defence, which place the right of the citizen "to bear arms in self-defence," beyond the power of legislation, higher and more sacred than the Constitution itself."

- Cassius Marcellus Clay,[The writings of Cassius Marcellus Clay: Including Speeches and Addresses. Edited, With a Preface and Memoir, By Horace Greeley. New York: Harper & Brothers, Publishers, No. 82 Cliff Street. 1848.](Mr. Clay served three times as Kentucky state representative, and was one of the founders of the Republican Party. Clay accepted the post of Minister to the Russian court, but the Civil War started before his departure. There were no Federal troops in Washington at the time, so Mr. Clay organized a group of 300 volunteers to protect the White House and U.S. Naval Yard from possible Confederate attack. These men became known as Cassius M. Clay's Washington Guards. This caused President Lincoln to give Clay a presentation Colt revolver).

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#40 May 21, 2013
GunShow1 wrote:
1848
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#43 May 21, 2013
Back in the day, when a man regularly had to hunt food for his family, it was very appropriate for him to begin taking his sons with him at around age 5 to 8 years old. Back then,,, young boys and girls was taught at a very young age to respect the one-gun that always stayed in the kitchen-corner.

While growing-up, I didn't remember hearing about kids going-off and killing just for the sake of killing,, like we do today. I believe some of the reasons is because many children are misdiagnosed and prescribed the wrong psychiatrist medications. This might be a factor. Children don't have chores today etc. Divorce, one-parent working. We have spoiled our children. But, what do-I know.

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#44 May 21, 2013
hellodear wrote:
Back in the day, when a man regularly had to hunt food for his family, it was very appropriate for him to begin taking his sons with him at around age 5 to 8 years old. Back then,,, young boys and girls was taught at a very young age to respect the one-gun that always stayed in the kitchen-corner.
While growing-up, I didn't remember hearing about kids going-off and killing just for the sake of killing,, like we do today. I believe some of the reasons is because many children are misdiagnosed and prescribed the wrong psychiatrist medications. This might be a factor. Children don't have chores today etc. Divorce, one-parent working. We have spoiled our children. But, what do-I know.
Your post actually makes sense. And not only that, but has FACT in it as well. For the vast majority of the mass shootings that have taken place. Are done by those that are taking some form of psychotropic drugs:

Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns

Tuesday, April 02, 2013
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more then a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior....
http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_shooti...

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