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How soon should your daughter start seeing a gynecologist? Earlier than most people think, say Drs.

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#141 Oct 14, 2012
CHRIS wrote:
<quoted text> You should be asking why woman's health care is still using tecknology from one hundred years ago. If a woman feels as though she needs a paps, fine. However, she should be given accurate facts so she can make a true, "informed conscent."
What technology would you suggest replace it? A woman may notice any problems until it's too late - that's the entire point of the procedure. The accurate facts are that regular screening saves lives.

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#142 Oct 14, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
<quoted text>Doctors, by and large, are guided by the empiricism and the scientific method. There are no doubt flaws in practice and mistakes that creep in, but overall, trusting medicine over how your 'amazing body' happens to feel on any given day is a much more sane and rational.
This should say: Doctors, by and large, are guided by empiricism and the scientific method. There are no doubt flaws in practice and mistakes that creep in, but overall, trusting medicine over how your 'amazing body' happens to feel on any given day is a saner and more rational choice to make.

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#143 Oct 14, 2012
pailrider wrote:
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OK my input on this, women are led to believe they have a decease between their legs, in America need annual vaginal inspection for cancer scare and birth control pill.
Does this mean the pill causes cervical cancer, it sounds that way, or is it an excuse to keep private body parts available to doctors, is it to build customer base create wealth at the cost of womens dignity. Does the male doctor get pleasure from this hazardous job lol.
Ps hope you didn't misunderstand my other post, the decease thingy, I was making a point not directing at you. GL......
I was hearing u loud n clear Pailryder.....ofcourse there has to be another non- health agenda...I even asert elsewhere that the paps could be about genetic warfare....biologically developing specific weaponry from the cells they habitually harvest from PAPs - one thing is clear - it isnt about female physical or mental health - I have been threatened physically and psychologically as a direct result of my interactions with "well-woman services.

For my first hospital birth - the midwives were rushing me along to the point of doing a manual push back of my cervix and breaking my waters - I just wanted to sleep. The ended the ordeal by pulling so hard on my umbilical cord to bring out the after birth that the cord actually broke - thankfully not high enough to warrent surgery....because if they lost access to i - I would have had to have it surgically removed...Thank God, I had specified no males - so I didnt go through this pain and humiliation infront of any strange men. They said it was OK for hubby to go home and sleep and started tis nonsense when he was away. I was in such pain - but refused medication until they called him back

For obvious reasons I had the next 2 at home - best births - in under half an hr with no medication.....God is good - and yes, being female is a gift not a disease

As for the mental abuse - if the above isnt enough - there was that pervert Dr who gave me the once over when I simply wanted a pregnancy test for my first baby....the mental scars still with me - but with the help of y'all and this forum...Im managing to turn that experience into strength - with a passion to save other women as I have saved my 2 daughters
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#144 Oct 14, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
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What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.
There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?
Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
If you think it's such a stupid attitude, why don't you find yourself something else to read? I don't recall putting toothpicks under your eyelids and/or a gun to your head insisting that you read my comment.

Have you bothered to ask yourself why Dr. Angela Raffle of the United Kingdom (cancer screening specialist) stated publicly (about 12 years ago) that pap screenings are hurting more women than they are helping? She also said that it takes screening 1,000 women for a 35 year period to save just one of their lives.

Have you bothered to ask yourself why such a concentration on the female groin when 316,000 women die every year from a heart related disease, or lung cancer that kills 160,340.

And those are just the top 2 killers. In fact, the only cancer that has a lower death rate than cervical cancer is thyroid.

Have you bothered to Google "unnecessary pelvic exam", or "unnecessary pap smear", or "convicted PIG" (oops....I mean gynecologist)

fyi, pap screenings leave damaged cells on the cervix. A damaged cell will more easily mutate into a cancer cell than will an undamaged cell. Did you know that?

By any chance are you a gynecologist that's trying to promote your agenda? If yes, you may be in the wrong place my friend.
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#145 Oct 14, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
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What a frankly stupid attitude. Have you bothered to ask yourself why it's only 2.4 per 100,000? It's because of regular screening.
There are only 10.63 fatalities on US roads per 100,000 population. I suppose you think this means the importance of road safety is exaggerated and precautions should not be taken?
Women are not born as a walking disease waiting to happen, but clearly women can get diseases. Regular screening decreases the chance of cancers being caught too late.
And your analogy of the traffic fatalities is lame at best, at least as far as comparing to cancer. Now if you want to compare carelessness on the road to being promiscuity, I'd agree.

And regarding precautions...good idea, but getting internal organs scraped to the point that they BLEED, is not a precaution. A precaution is (in this case) not being promiscuous.
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#146 Oct 14, 2012
That should have said:

Now if you want to compare carelessness on the road to promiscuity, I'd agree.
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#147 Oct 14, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
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Well, of course promiscuity increases the chances of contracting STDs, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying.
Also, abstinence only education fails in the long term because it is impractical.
It has everything to do with what you were saying!

That WAS you that said that women get diseases, wasn't it?

Well Chris is offering a good suggestion on how disease (cervical cancer in this case) can be avoided. What's wrong with that? Oh yeah,.....I guess avoiding a disease (like cervical cancer) when you've got a perfectly capable PIG (oops....I mean gyno) that can check to see if you ALREADY have it would be counterproductive wouldn't it.
I mean why avoid something that the medical people MIGHT be able to fix for you with L.E.E.P. chemotherapy, radiation, and maybe throw in a complete hysterectomy just for fun.

(Did the sarcasm get the point across?)

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#148 Oct 15, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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If you think it's such a stupid attitude, why don't you find yourself something else to read? I don't recall putting toothpicks under your eyelids and/or a gun to your head insisting that you read my comment.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Dr. Angela Raffle of the United Kingdom (cancer screening specialist) stated publicly (about 12 years ago) that pap screenings are hurting more women than they are helping? She also said that it takes screening 1,000 women for a 35 year period to save just one of their lives.
Have you bothered to ask yourself why such a concentration on the female groin when 316,000 women die every year from a heart related disease, or lung cancer that kills 160,340.
And those are just the top 2 killers. In fact, the only cancer that has a lower death rate than cervical cancer is thyroid.
Have you bothered to Google "unnecessary pelvic exam", or "unnecessary pap smear", or "convicted PIG" (oops....I mean gynecologist)
fyi, pap screenings leave damaged cells on the cervix. A damaged cell will more easily mutate into a cancer cell than will an undamaged cell. Did you know that?
By any chance are you a gynecologist that's trying to promote your agenda? If yes, you may be in the wrong place my friend.
Like the succinct way you address the issues here
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#149 Oct 15, 2012
Bootz65 wrote:
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Like the succinct way you address the issues here
Thanks Bootz65 (Debz). I appreciate the compliment.
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#153 Oct 15, 2012
pailrider wrote:
NWMLYD--Forgot to include the link. Debz will hate this.
http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx...
Well it appears that this 14 year old has been sexually active for a couple of months now according to the last sentence. But having 4 people present during an exam like that is unforgivable imo. The mother and the female dr should have been enough! They turned this into a side show.

One positive thing that may have come from all this is that when this 14 year old becomes an adult, she'll probably stay clear of invasive, disrespectful, vile examinations.

And that male dr. should have had no involvement imo.

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#154 Oct 16, 2012
pailrider wrote:
NWMLYD--Forgot to include the link. Debz will hate this.
http://www.saipantribune.com/newsstory.aspx...
you know how vile this comes across

It's so twisted - I can't decifer a clear story....she was molested by these Dr's since she was 8 yrs old?

They BOTH claim to have hd sex with her hence she's now pregnant?

They both internally examined her untill she became too stressed and they then brought in a combined audience of 4?

I mean, am I missing something - or does it state hat all of this is alledged.......and where was her mother during that crucial 8 - 14yr period?

How did these Dr'sget to access her so freely as a plaything?

Was her mother brining her in for these bogus gyno visits - if so, why?

Maybe the fact that she had asocial worker - indicates some family issues - or maybe that's just for this trauma?

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#155 Oct 16, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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Well it appears that this 14 year old has been sexually active for a couple of months now according to the last sentence. But having 4 people present during an exam like that is unforgivable imo. The mother and the female dr should have been enough! They turned this into a side show.
One positive thing that may have come from all this is that when this 14 year old becomes an adult, she'll probably stay clear of invasive, disrespectful, vile examinations.
And that male dr. should have had no involvement imo.
Some mothers never get it - and this inflicts their daughters next

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-chapman...

Excert:

"So I had my annual OB/GYN pap and boob check yesterday -- fun stuff, I know -- and my beloved gynecologist (who actually reminds me of my dad, which makes me adore him that much more) gave me some sobering food for thought. He said he was reviewing my medical history and he was concerned about the fact that my husband's mother died of breast cancer and his aunt passed from ovarian cancer. With this high incidence of these types of cancer in the family, there is a possibility that my husband is a carrier of the BRCA1 gene, which means my daughter could be at a higher risk to develop these cancers.

Just hearing that, my heart went straight into my throat. To think that my daughter -- a girl I've painstakingly raised from the size of a pea, watching, hovering, feeding, worrying over and protecting -- can be threatened by the one thing that is out of my control, her biology, is terrifying."

Next thing u know mummys taking daughter to this Dr whose manipulations will give him full access and liscence to give the youngen a "medical overhaul"

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#156 Oct 16, 2012
GYFF...OMV!!

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#157 Oct 16, 2012
Not With My Lady You Dont wrote:
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JuliaT1997, may I ask what your age is now? I'm guessing somewhere around 14?
The fact that you mention that it is weird (and you are correct) means that something inside you is telling you not to do it!
Have you asked mom WHY it is necessary, especially at such a young age of 11. If you ask her why it's necessary and she only tells you something like "because it is", or "because I said so", then she is not giving you a good informed answer.
I told her I would rather not go this year but she said I had to!
John

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#158 Oct 16, 2012
JuliaT1997 wrote:
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I told her I would rather not go this year but she said I had to!
I took me a moment to catch up, I had to go back to the very first page on this thread to find where you had ever posted to catch up with the back story on this post.

Well, I can only say I am disgusted for you. I am a father and I have a 9 year old daughter. First of all, any gynecologist visits will be her decision, probably after she is 18 and is an independant woman. If she, for some reason, chooses to go while still a minor, under our care that will be her call. We have absolutely no reason to "make her" have an intimate nude exam as a child or early teen.

Now, if she actually develops some kind of problem down there the literally needs some medical check we would make 100% sure no man ever did the exam. Certain things are appropriate and certain things are not. If a young girl is going to be examined in the nude, a lady should do that exam not a man. I believe you said your mom is making you go and that it is a man examining you. How did you feel about that? Did she give you the option of going to a woman and you just said you'd rather have a man do it or did she give you no say in the matter?

I know my daughter will have a lot of people in the medical community "pressure" her and "coarse" her into having lots of stuff done that may not be necassary and I'm trying to install in her a sense of "strength" and "power" that it is her body and she doesn't EVER have to do anything she doesn't want to. So if she is at the doctor (at an older age in which she is alone) to have some basic checkup and they try and tell her she needs to disrobe (for something it is not needed for) or they try to bring up all of these invasive exams that she didn't come in for I'm hoping she'll stand up for herself and say no or just walk out. It's her body. They aren't going to hold you down and forcefully strip you.

It's tough that your own mom is doing this at the age of 11. Is that right? She made you have a nude pelvic exam with a man at the age of 11? Why on earth why?

This current society will try and scare you with diseases. I'll be truthful with you. If you've not had sex your chances of having "womenly" diseases or cancer is basically nill and even when you are sexually active it is still almost nill if you are in an exclusive relationship. I don't know your belief system but what I'm getting at is if you are virgin and only have sex with your husband and your husband does the same than you really don't have anything to worry about. If you have lots of partners and so do the men you are with then your chances start going up. Look up the numbers on ovarian cancer and cervical cancer, those are two extremely rare cancers and lifestyle effects that a lot.

If you don't want to do it I want to speak power to you. Just refuse. Just don't go. Tell your mom no. Don't even get in the car to go to the doctor. Unless your mom is going to get 3-4 people to drag you kicking and screaming what can she do? It is your body. I'm not sure why a mom is telling her young daughter to have a man examine her nude. Sounds cruel to me.
Bootz65

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#159 Oct 16, 2012
John wrote:
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I took me a moment to catch up, I had to go back to the very first page on this thread to find where you had ever posted to catch up with the back story on this post.
Well, I can only say I am disgusted for you. I am a father and I have a 9 year old daughter. First of all, any gynecologist visits will be her decision, probably after she is 18 and is an independant woman. If she, for some reason, chooses to go while still a minor, under our care that will be her call. We have absolutely no reason to "make her" have an intimate nude exam as a child or early teen.
Now, if she actually develops some kind of problem down there the literally needs some medical check we would make 100% sure no man ever did the exam. Certain things are appropriate and certain things are not. If a young girl is going to be examined in the nude, a lady should do that exam not a man. I believe you said your mom is making you go and that it is a man examining you. How did you feel about that? Did she give you the option of going to a woman and you just said you'd rather have a man do it or did she give you no say in the matter?
I know my daughter will have a lot of people in the medical community "pressure" her and "coarse" her into having lots of stuff done that may not be necassary and I'm trying to install in her a sense of "strength" and "power" that it is her body and she doesn't EVER have to do anything she doesn't want to. So if she is at the doctor (at an older age in which she is alone) to have some basic checkup and they try and tell her she needs to disrobe (for something it is not needed for) or they try to bring up all of these invasive exams that she didn't come in for I'm hoping she'll stand up for herself and say no or just walk out. It's her body. They aren't going to hold you down and forcefully strip you.
It's tough that your own mom is doing this at the age of 11. Is that right? She made you have a nude pelvic exam with a man at the age of 11? Why on earth why?
This current society will try and scare you with diseases. I'll be truthful with you. If you've not had sex your chances of having "womenly" diseases or cancer is basically nill and even when you are sexually active it is still almost nill if you are in an exclusive relationship. I don't know your belief system but what I'm getting at is if you are virgin and only have sex with your husband and your husband does the same than you really don't have anything to worry about. If you have lots of partners and so do the men you are with then your chances start going up. Look up the numbers on ovarian cancer and cervical cancer, those are two extremely rare cancers and lifestyle effects that a lot.
If you don't want to do it I want to speak power to you. Just refuse. Just don't go. Tell your mom no. Don't even get in the car to go to the doctor. Unless your mom is going to get 3-4 people to drag you kicking and screaming what can she do? It is your body. I'm not sure why a mom is telling her young daughter to have a man examine her nude. Sounds cruel to me.
You put all the main points so clearly here - thank you - I hope Julia taes your advice and refuses

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#160 Oct 17, 2012
Jocasta wrote:
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No one is going to deny that examinations should be conducted with respect. It's so obvious that it hardly bears stating. However, the gender of the doctors or nurses should be down to patient preference. I don't care whether my doctor is male or female.
Well perhaps you should do the research and begin to care:

DO THE RESEARCH - BECOME INFORMED/AWARE.....women like lambs to slaughter....these cases can be found weekly, trust.

case-athens-doctor-accused-rap ing-sedated-patient-drags
Case of Athens doctor accused of raping sedated patient drags on

Pleat, one of the patient’s attorneys, sees Adams as a predator who took advantage of a vulnerable victim.“Dr. Adams felt he was above (the patient), that he was worth more as a human being to treat her as if not deserving human dignity,” Pleat said.“(She) had a significant urological problem, entrusted herself to this guy, and he preyed on her,” the attorney said.“You don’t see guys like Dr. Adams preying on Harvard-educated women who are corporate executives.”

Michelle Adams told attorneys her husband said the sex with his patient had been consensual, according to the transcript.“I said why, why would you do this to your family and he said,‘I did it because I could and I thought I would get away with it,’” the doctor’s wife said during the deposition.“I said,‘Well, what made you think it was consensual?’” and “‘He said she knew what she was coming for.’”

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#161 Oct 17, 2012
I had my Exam today

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#162 Oct 19, 2012
JuliaT1997 wrote:
I had my Exam today
what exam???
and what??
should we celebrate or commiserate?

LOL

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#163 Oct 19, 2012
JuliaT1997 wrote:
I had my Exam today
Ok noe I get it - that forced gyno internal exam your mum took you for.

Sorry you had to go through that

But determine in your head that it will be the last time

Perhaps seek a female school counsillor and tell her how you feel -in order to get some support in refusing next time - oh I didnt note where you are from - if in the UK - call child line and explain

Now is as good a time as any to claim your body as your own.

It wasnt your fault - and you can get past it.

I dont know if it will help you to share how you felt, you may want to remove your profile picture if you do.....to stay anonymous

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