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Yawn

Xenia, OH

#20269 May 28, 2012
Keep Talking wrote:
@Im Listening...asking "How can we educate them?"
THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT DESERVES AN "A" for Educating Springboro!
"Change" is not a four-letter word. And, despite what many seem to believe, it’s not always bad either.
Change is especially important when it comes to K-12 education. Reformers often appropriately use the term "kids first" when it comes to our educational priorities. Too many times, however, "adults first" is the prevailing philosophy. That has to change (there’s that magic word again) and it is in one Ohio school district.
Check out the excerpts from an excellent report by the Education Action Group:
Springboro’s old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual “step” raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district’s budget or not. If the district couldn’t afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old “adults first” approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees, and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new “children first” philosophy began to emerge.
Kohls’ approach of challenging the “business as usual” mindset has proven very effective. The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher “step” raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
The results are evident in the school’s financial trajectory. A few years ago the district was projecting a $30 million deficit. Today it’s projecting a $4 million surplus, even though the community is still reeling from the weak economy, which has caused a 400 percent increase in the number of people needing assistance from the local food bank, according to Kohls.
Be careful there, Ms. Kohls. You are going to strain your arm trying to pat yourself on the back like that. LOL
FYI

Youngstown, OH

#20270 May 28, 2012
Keep Talking wrote:
where to go from here....? I believe the best we can do is elect and fully support our school board representatives who are strong minded enough to buck the system and speak honestly. We can all express our appreciate to politicians who are willing to start talking about the reality of public employee uunions today and the unreasonable costs they are imposing on our society.
All politics are local.... During the month of June our "school politics" will focus on two "huge-cost" issues in our Springboro Schools Board of Education meetings:(1) Pay-to-Play Fees For Our Students Participation in sports/extra-curriculars and (2) how to meet the challenge of continued safe bus transportation for school children (with No New Taxes).
Our "teachers first" union coalition continues to distract, discredit, and personally attack our BOE majority "Children First
Budgeting" while using the public school board meetings to bully the deamnds of our severly weakened Springboro Education Association.
Facts vs Opinions

Youngstown, OH

#20271 May 28, 2012
Yawn wrote:
<quoted text>
Be careful there, Ms. Kohls. You are going to strain your arm trying to pat yourself on the back like that. LOL
That's just YOUR opinion; but So Silly!

Why ever would Ms. Kohls do that when news articles like this one are spreading the facts?

http://indianachamberblogs.com/education/this...
Worth Repeating

Youngstown, OH

#20272 May 28, 2012
Keep Talking wrote:
@Im Listening...asking "How can we educate them?"
THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT DESERVES AN "A" for Educating Springboro!
"Change" is not a four-letter word. And, despite what many seem to believe, it’s not always bad either.
Change is especially important when it comes to K-12 education. Reformers often appropriately use the term "kids first" when it comes to our educational priorities. Too many times, however, "adults first" is the prevailing philosophy. That has to change (there’s that magic word again) and it is in one Ohio school district.
Check out the excerpts from an excellent report by the Education Action Group:
Springboro’s old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual “step” raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district’s budget or not. If the district couldn’t afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old “adults first” approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees, and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new “children first” philosophy began to emerge.
Kohls’ approach of challenging the “business as usual” mindset has proven very effective. The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher “step” raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
The results are evident in the school’s financial trajectory. A few years ago the district was projecting a $30 million deficit. Today it’s projecting a $4 million surplus, even though the community is still reeling from the weak economy, which has caused a 400 percent increase in the number of people needing assistance from the local food bank, according to Kohls.
Totally agree with the Children First Budgeting philosophy and fully support Dr. Kohls' leadership as our school board representative!
Here Come Da Judge

Youngstown, OH

#20273 May 28, 2012
Yawn wrote:
<quoted text>
Be careful there, Ms. Kohls. You are going to strain your arm trying to pat yourself on the back like that. LOL
Isn't it true that all YOUR criticism is really about YOUR envy of Ms. Kohls' success and popularity as an "effective" elected official in our school district? Ms. Kohls demonstates that rare "quality of character" of a professional who is truly educated to "serve the public" doing what's right to improve our schools and community; instead of "pro-union self-interest" in "controlling" status quo school government.

Have you ever tried to "enlighten" yourself and better understand WHY the success of our winning school board respresentatives makes you so mean spirited and jealous? Your "teachers first" agenda has been "judged" unfit for service by the majority of our school district voters and, whether you accept it or not, the children first budgeting plan is being implemented successfully, and is fully supported by the majority of voters.
Judge Barbara Gorman

Loveland, OH

#20274 May 28, 2012
Here Come Da Judge wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't it true that all YOUR criticism is really about YOUR envy of Ms. Kohls' success and popularity as an "effective" elected official in our school district? Ms. Kohls demonstates that rare "quality of character" of a professional who is truly educated to "serve the public" doing what's right to improve our schools and community; instead of "pro-union self-interest" in "controlling" status quo school government.
Have you ever tried to "enlighten" yourself and better understand WHY the success of our winning school board respresentatives makes you so mean spirited and jealous? Your "teachers first" agenda has been "judged" unfit for service by the majority of our school district voters and, whether you accept it or not, the children first budgeting plan is being implemented successfully, and is fully supported by the majority of voters.
Here I am, did you call?
Keeping Quite

Youngstown, OH

#20275 May 28, 2012
Judge Barbara Gorman wrote:
<quoted text>
Here I am, did you call?
No.

"There's nothing wrong with having nothing to say --unless you insist on saying it."
Good News

Youngstown, OH

#20276 May 28, 2012
Keep Talking wrote:
@Im Listening...asking "How can we educate them?"
THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT DESERVES AN "A" for Educating Springboro!
"Change" is not a four-letter word. And, despite what many seem to believe, it’s not always bad either.
Change is especially important when it comes to K-12 education. Reformers often appropriately use the term "kids first" when it comes to our educational priorities. Too many times, however, "adults first" is the prevailing philosophy. That has to change (there’s that magic word again) and it is in one Ohio school district.
Check out the excerpts from an excellent report by the Education Action Group:
Springboro’s old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual “step” raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district’s budget or not. If the district couldn’t afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old “adults first” approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees, and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new “children first” philosophy began to emerge.
Kohls’ approach of challenging the “business as usual” mindset has proven very effective. The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher “step” raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
The results are evident in the school’s financial trajectory. A few years ago the district was projecting a $30 million deficit. Today it’s projecting a $4 million surplus, even though the community is still reeling from the weak economy, which has caused a 400 percent increase in the number of people needing assistance from the local food bank, according to Kohls.
Keep Talking About Good News Worth Repeating!

http://indianachamberblogs.com/education/this...
Listen Up

Youngstown, OH

#20277 May 29, 2012
What people need and what they want may be very different. Teachers are those who educate the people to appreciate the things they NEED!
-Elbert Hubbard

Remember in past times the "teachers" (including the SEA treasurer/media director Ms. Thornbury) grandstanding from the bully pulpit how much money from their own pockets they had to spend to provide for "needs" in their classrooms just because of levy failures?

Well, children first budgeting provides all the classroom needs requested by the teachers; but strangely enough, there was not one word of "appreciation" from our SEA friends and union-first supporters..... at last week's board meeting when the Budget/Finance committee presented this to the board for approval, and furthermore,

our really weakened-union bully school board president, Scott Anderson, refused to show up for the vote for budgeting for the teachers' classroom needs for children first;

and board member Don Miller caved in to the NFSS union activists' status quo agenda of distracting, discrediting and personally attacking the BOE majority members who are supporting the children first budgeting plan.

Finally, Mr. Miller, actually made the motion to AMEND the "work that has been accomplished by the board's budget/finance committee during the past five months!" And another "nail" was driven into the "coffin of the weakened SEA" as the "gavel" firmly pounded into the silence... "the motions dies!"

And still, throughout the meeting, NO word of appreciation for teachers receiving all their requested classroom "needs." But, it was NO surprise that only the same old mantra was heard from the bully pulpit: we need a levy to guarantee increased salaries and benefits for our union school employees!

Stay alert, voter! keep your eyes and your ears wide open to the truth so that the lies of our schoolyard/community bullies do not deceive!
Get your story straight

Springboro, OH

#20278 May 29, 2012
Here Come Da Judge wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't it true that all YOUR criticism is really about YOUR envy of Ms. Kohls' success and popularity as an "effective" elected official in our school district? Ms. Kohls demonstates that rare "quality of character" of a professional who is truly educated to "serve the public" doing what's right to improve our schools and community; instead of "pro-union self-interest" in "controlling" status quo school government.
Have you ever tried to "enlighten" yourself and better understand WHY the success of our winning school board respresentatives makes you so mean spirited and jealous? Your "teachers first" agenda has been "judged" unfit for service by the majority of our school district voters and, whether you accept it or not, the children first budgeting plan is being implemented successfully, and is fully supported by the majority of voters.
Everyone really needs to stop saying a "majority" of voters elected the current BOE. You need to check the results. A majority of the voters actually voted for the other candidates this past time around. 52%-48%. Each one only got 24% of the vote. While it was close - they did not get a majroty of the votes.
Reality Check

Youngstown, OH

#20279 May 29, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone really needs to stop saying a "majority" of voters elected the current BOE. You need to check the results. A majority of the voters actually voted for the other candidates this past time around. 52%-48%. Each one only got 24% of the vote. While it was close - they did not get a majroty of the votes.
Our pro-union anti-education school board president, Scott Anderson, and board member Don Miller, along with about 200
"union activists" really need to stop trying to over-rule the November 2011 school board election. In the real world, we know that elections have results, and three conservative common sense school board members are the MAJORITY rule of the five elected officials. That fact is not going to change; regardless of the opinions of the weakened SEA schoolyard bullies and NFSS community drama queens and hecklers that continue show up at every public meeting with their tired old status quo performances. Just as responsible and mature parents understand their 2 year olds'
whining for attention; so it is that responsible and mature citizens must be understanding (and patient) with the pro-union activists' whining for attention! Let's just humor them ....one meeting at a time ..... they know we love them; but we will NEVER conced to their politics of personal destruction.
Straight to the Point

Youngstown, OH

#20280 May 29, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone really needs to stop saying a "majority" of voters elected the current BOE. You need to check the results. A majority of the voters actually voted for the other candidates this past time around. 52%-48%. Each one only got 24% of the vote. While it was close - they did not get a majroty of the votes.
Point is: David Petroni and Jim Rigano proved that they were "Winners" by earning the confidence and trust of Springboro voters by their voluntary service to our community, even before they became the two (out of six) school board candidates, who received the largest number of votes, which were needed to win the only two school board positions available. Therfore, the real winners of the November 2011 school board election are our school children and community members.

Another point to get your story straight:
Although Issue 2 did not prevail throughout the State with the "majority" of votes; the majority of voters throughout Warren County voted yes. Does anybody know the percentage by which Issue 2 won in Warren County?
Im listening

Tipp City, OH

#20281 May 29, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone really needs to stop saying a "majority" of voters elected the current BOE. You need to check the results. A majority of the voters actually voted for the other candidates this past time around. 52%-48%. Each one only got 24% of the vote. While it was close - they did not get a majroty of the votes.
Each voter voted for three. You can't add the votes for four people and compare them to the votes for two. The majority of the voters voted for Petroni and Rigano. None of the other candidates got 24% alone. Your comparison is like adding up all the yes votes for four failed levy request and comparing it to only two no voters for the levy. Of course you will get a larger # of votes if you count the votes 4 times compared to counting them twice. Duh.
Yawn

Xenia, OH

#20282 May 29, 2012
Im listening wrote:
<quoted text>
Each voter voted for three. You can't add the votes for four people and compare them to the votes for two. The majority of the voters voted for Petroni and Rigano. None of the other candidates got 24% alone. Your comparison is like adding up all the yes votes for four failed levy request and comparing it to only two no voters for the levy. Of course you will get a larger # of votes if you count the votes 4 times compared to counting them twice. Duh.
Wrong--each voter got TWO votes! So your entire argument gets thrown out.
Straight to the Point

Youngstown, OH

#20283 May 29, 2012
Yawn wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong--each voter got TWO votes! So your entire argument gets thrown out.
Point is: Neither one of the four union school board candidates received enough votes to win one of the two positions on the school board; so their entire pro-union campaign gets thrown out, not only at the polls in November; but in the board room as well.
Get your story straight

Springboro, OH

#20284 May 30, 2012
Straight to the Point wrote:
<quoted text>
Point is: Neither one of the four union school board candidates received enough votes to win one of the two positions on the school board; so their entire pro-union campaign gets thrown out, not only at the polls in November; but in the board room as well.
Actually the point is - the majority of voters, as people keep saying, did not vote for Petroni and Rigano. The majority voted for the other 4 candidates.
Reality Check

Youngstown, OH

#20285 May 30, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the point is - the majority of voters, as people keep saying, did not vote for Petroni and Rigano. The majority voted for the other 4 candidates.
This agenda of the two board representatives "doing what's right for our school children and community" is the same winning agenda that our failed and severely weakened "other 4 candidates" fully supported by the union masters fought against, and lost their argument, during the November campaign.

Actually the point NOW is -- the "election argument is over" and the results of our new board's leadership is NOW a reality;
Now the point is who has the majority vote on what happens in the board room?

Fact is: the majority of elected officials on our Springboro Board of Education VOTED on May 24 for Children First Budgeting, which represents our children first. And the minority of elected officials (the other two), Scott Anderson and Don Miller, did not vote for "our children first."

Scott Anderson and Don Miller, the "minority" board members "argue" against our children's future and fearfully cling to the "status quo" pro-union/anti-education agenda.

The "other 4 candidates" have no role in the new board's leadership since they were not chosen by school district voters to represent our children first with out school tax dollars.
Reality Check

Youngstown, OH

#20286 May 30, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the point is - the majority of voters, as people keep saying, did not vote for Petroni and Rigano. The majority voted for the other 4 candidates.
Actually the point is -- the other 4 union school board candidates
(Lisa Babb, Gentry Ellis, Jane Gregg, and Mike Kruse) along with the help of Scott Anderson and Don Miller have argued your point,
disrespectfully, since the new board took office in January.

Three times now, Scott Anderson has led his union coalition in efforts to REVERSE the "will of the people" who voted for David Petroni and Jim Rigano to be our next two board representatives
(instead of the other four union school board candidates).
Mr. Anderson has consistently abused his authority as presiding officer of the BOE, and lost all credibility, by disrespecting board by-laws and poliicies; even allowing former union school board candidate, Lisa Babb, to take control of his agenda on February 14, March 20, and March 27. Mr. Anderson and his union coalition failed to prevail; but still ignore reality, as they continue bullying their pro-union/anti-education protests and arguments against common sense BOE leadership.
Reality Check

Youngstown, OH

#20287 May 30, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the point is - the majority of voters, as people keep saying, did not vote for Petroni and Rigano. The majority voted for the other 4 candidates.
This agenda of the two board representatives "doing what's right for our school children and community" is the same winning agenda that our failed and severely weakened "other 4 candidates" fully supported by the union masters, fought against and lost, their argument during the November campaign.

Actually the point NOW is -- the "election argument is over" and the results of our new board's leadership is NOW a reality;
Now the point is who has the majority vote on what happens in the board room?

Fact is: the majority of elected officials on our Springboro Board of Education VOTED on May 24 for Children First Budgeting, which represents our children first. And the minority of elected officials (the other two), Scott Anderson and Don Miller, did not vote for "our children first."

Scott Anderson and Don Miller, the "minority" board members "argue" against our children's future and fearfully cling to the "status quo" pro-union/anti-education agenda.

The "other 4 candidates" have no role in the new board's leadership since they were not chosen by school district voters to represent our children first with our school tax dollars. And the two minority school board members, Scott Anderson and Don Miller,
have no role in our children's future, because they chose on March 27 to fall back to their outdated status quo pro-union/anti-education agenda; instead of supporting the board's goals to prepare our students TODAY for future challenges.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#20288 May 30, 2012
Get your story straight wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the point is - the majority of voters, as people keep saying, did not vote for Petroni and Rigano. The majority voted for the other 4 candidates.
Actually the point is - MORE people in this community voted for the 2 individual candidates Petroni and Rigano than did any of the other individual canditates.

You can argue semantics all you want but it will not change the fact that Lisa Babb lost the election. It is her own self absorbtion, self righteousness and spin that has her still believeing she was the choice of the majority of community members. She can annoint herself "The Chosen One", She can go chair to chair at Tamarack Swim Club bothering good people that just want to relax without hearing her blather on about what ever her crisis de jour is. She and her sycophants go to BOE meetings holding their cameras like the Twin Towers of Babbel believing in their heart of hearts that somehow they are being speaking for the majority of the community.

Quite simply, they are not.

That fact has been proven time and time again with levy failures and BOE elections results.

IMHO they (NFSS, et al) are nothing more than a small handuful of desperate housewives of Springboro that thrive on drama and self admiration running around crying the sky is falling. When in fact there is nothing but blue skies ahead. Unfortunatley they dwell on the negative, and never look at the positives...you know for the childrens futures.

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