Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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YOU go in every day to a room full of everyone elses children and deal with teaching those young ones who do not get enough sleep, are full of their parents problems. Our children are our future. People want better homes and cars but not better schools. Everyone including alot of the younger parents seem to have their own investments that are far higher on the list than their children. Children today are at a big disadvantage and the schools need more and more daily to cope with educating these children. It takes more than reading, writing and math. There are more special needs, councelors, alot of children do not even get three meals a day unless they go to school. The many single parents out there are scraping badly to make ends meet and even to afford to feed the children and keep them warm. It is the job situation that our goverment put these people into. Yes your schools do need more money. Just like our schools do over here. Forget one cup of coffee a day and pay the taxes to help educate the children in your community. You are as bad as the grinch!!
Wasn't the last levy passed with the slogan "It is only one can of soda per day"? Anyone else remember that? Now it is one cup of coffee per day. All these beverages are really adding up...
Plan to Vote NO March 4

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"Wasn't the last levy passed with the slogan "It is only one can of soda per day"? Anyone else remember that?"

I remember the one can of soda per day slogan well. At that time, my ten year old son told me that in our family we do not consume one can of soad per day. This time around my 13 year old son stated, "Wow Mom we are getting up to a six pack per day for the schools. Before we know it they will be asking for a case!" The insight of youth is thought provoking. The Springboro school board and administration should take the time to really think what a burden they are placing on the school district. They say the school funding system is broken, but then immediately stick their hand out for more money.

I find it amazing that Lebanon Public Schools, one of Springboro's neighbors also has a levy on the ballot for March 4th, but only a renewal. Their WISE administration and school board have stated that the economy does not support asking for more money. What thoughtful public servants, thinking of their constituents, instead of themselves. Springboro, with all its arrogance, could learn something from Lebanon as well as a 13 year old.

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Plan to Vote NO March 4 wrote:
"Wasn't the last levy passed with the slogan "It is only one can of soda per day"? Anyone else remember that?"
I remember the one can of soda per day slogan well. At that time, my ten year old son told me that in our family we do not consume one can of soad per day. This time around my 13 year old son stated, "Wow Mom we are getting up to a six pack per day for the schools. Before we know it they will be asking for a case!" The insight of youth is thought provoking. The Springboro school board and administration should take the time to really think what a burden they are placing on the school district. They say the school funding system is broken, but then immediately stick their hand out for more money.
I find it amazing that Lebanon Public Schools, one of Springboro's neighbors also has a levy on the ballot for March 4th, but only a renewal. Their WISE administration and school board have stated that the economy does not support asking for more money. What thoughtful public servants, thinking of their constituents, instead of themselves. Springboro, with all its arrogance, could learn something from Lebanon as well as a 13 year old.
Well said. Thank you.
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WE HAVE A SERIES OF NEW GRINCHES. THE GRINCHES WHO STOLE SCHOOLS. GO AHEAD VOTE "NO" AND STEAL
WHAT LITTLE THE CHILDREN OF TODAY HAVE LEFT. OUR MIDDLE/LOW CLASS HAS DEALT WITH GOVERMENT GREED, COMPANY GREED, AND NOW TAX PAYERS GREED. NO MATTER HOW OLD I GET, HOW MANY TAXES I HAVE TO PAY, OR HOW POOR I MAY BE, MY CHILDREN HAD GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION AND I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR OTHERS. IT IS SO SAD THERE IS SO MUCH DISCONCERN FOR THE CHILDREN OF TODAY. I HOPE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GETS ALL THEY NEED. AND I HOPE THEY STICK THEIR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS AND TAKE WHAT IS NEEDED TO EDUCATE THE CHILDREN IN YOUR AREA. I HOPE THEY DO IT TEN TIMES OVER. SHAME ON SCHOOL GRINCHES.

Since: Feb 08

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WE HAVE A SERIES OF NEW GRINCHES. THE GRINCHES WHO STOLE SCHOOLS. GO AHEAD VOTE "NO" AND STEAL
WHAT LITTLE THE CHILDREN OF TODAY HAVE LEFT. OUR MIDDLE/LOW CLASS HAS DEALT WITH GOVERMENT GREED, COMPANY GREED, AND NOW TAX PAYERS GREED. NO MATTER HOW OLD I GET, HOW MANY TAXES I HAVE TO PAY, OR HOW POOR I MAY BE, MY CHILDREN HAD GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION AND I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR OTHERS. IT IS SO SAD THERE IS SO MUCH DISCONCERN FOR THE CHILDREN OF TODAY. I HOPE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GETS ALL THEY NEED. AND I HOPE THEY STICK THEIR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS AND TAKE WHAT IS NEEDED TO EDUCATE THE CHILDREN IN YOUR AREA. I HOPE THEY DO IT TEN TIMES OVER. SHAME ON SCHOOL GRINCHES.
Taxpayer greed? Now that's a good one. Bee, do you even know what you are talking about? Have you ever been to Springboro? Did you know that the taxpayers just built, opened and are currently PAYING for two new schools in the past two years? That is hardly "stealing schools" as you so eloquently put it... According to your line of misinformed thought, we should just open our wallets and let them take whatever they want without question. Nice of you to make that choice for the rest of us.
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It is obvious that the above person from Zanesville, Ohio has absolutely no knowledge about the affairs of the Springboro School system or even the town of Springboro. Springboro residents have overwhelmingly supported the schools in every area. We have opened our wallets, donated our time to the schools and supported the children of this district in all their activities. The children of Springboro attend some of the most state of the art schools in the state. The problem is the schools do not know when to stop asking for more. Contrary to Dr. Baker's analysis, families are moving out of Springboro or at least attempting to at an alarming rate. As I drove less than two miles to the grocery store today I counted 21 houses up for sale and some have been for sale for months. The district tries to appear transparent, inviting the community in to "look at the books", but in reality the administrators only form the committees with like-minded supportors who will give the view the district wants.

Another point is Springboro Schools over emphasizes sports over academics, which is sad. The majority of the athletes will never play at the college or professional level and they are given false hopes by playing in facilities that would rival many small colleges. Ironically Dr. Baker gloats that when the doctor's office building is completed it will provide convenient healthcare to the students. However, as a parent of the district, my children and I have been made to feel like criminals if my child has a doctor or orthodonist appointment during school time. I guess the money speaks to Baker and not the voters.

Give the students the real tools that will make them successful, not spending hours on tedious tests so the school can say "we are Excellent again". Most citizens have come to realize the Excellence rating means little to the students, but rather a lot to the administrators. Please vote NO to this hippocracy.

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You know, it is alot easier to come to the tax payers and ask (or demmand) more money than it is to come up with cost cutting measures. Plus it seems much of what they are siting for the increase could be predicted (inflation, health care increases, pupil increases, etc). Is most of this just poor planning? Would not surprise me.

Can they promise they will not be back next year asking for more?

We have decided to vote no for both levies until they can prove the district came prove they know what they are doing. Sorry.

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Feb 28, 2008
 
Bee wrote:
WE HAVE A SERIES OF NEW GRINCHES. THE GRINCHES WHO STOLE SCHOOLS. GO AHEAD VOTE "NO" AND STEAL
WHAT LITTLE THE CHILDREN OF TODAY HAVE LEFT. OUR MIDDLE/LOW CLASS HAS DEALT WITH GOVERMENT GREED, COMPANY GREED, AND NOW TAX PAYERS GREED. NO MATTER HOW OLD I GET, HOW MANY TAXES I HAVE TO PAY, OR HOW POOR I MAY BE, MY CHILDREN HAD GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION AND I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR OTHERS. IT IS SO SAD THERE IS SO MUCH DISCONCERN FOR THE CHILDREN OF TODAY. I HOPE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GETS ALL THEY NEED. AND I HOPE THEY STICK THEIR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS AND TAKE WHAT IS NEEDED TO EDUCATE THE CHILDREN IN YOUR AREA. I HOPE THEY DO IT TEN TIMES OVER. SHAME ON SCHOOL GRINCHES.
We do not support the levy this go around. However, we were planning to be out of town on the 4th and could not vote. You post has inspired us, for the first time, to seek to vote absentee before we leave. Two votes no for both levies. We have just lost faith in the management of the disctrict. This post along with the fact that we just can not afford springboro anymore is worth the time and trouble to vote asentee.

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I can't even imagine voting yes for this. Voting no for however many issues Springboro has on the ballot this time and probably next time - and there will be a next time for sure, no doubt. Too tax-charged for me taste.
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Feb 28, 2008
 
I would encourage anyone planning to vote no on March 4 to vote early if they will not be able to make it to the polls on Tuesday. Springboro residents can either request or download an absentee ballot request or vote early at municipal complex in Lebanon. Early voting can be done Friday 8am-4:30pm, Saturday 9:00am-12pm, or Monday 8am-4:30pm. Let your voice be heard! I too agree that much of the school districts increases could of been planned for and failure to do so indicates poor management. Originally I had planned to vote for the renewal, but now I am leaning towards a no for both. Springboro Schools needs to wake up and realize Ohio ranks 5th in amount of taxes in the nation and we citizens have had enough. Please join me in voting NO on Tuesday.
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Feb 29, 2008
 
The Springboro schools sent an email out tonight stating the following:
" Over and over again we have explained that the need for two levies is the result of a bad state school funding plan. The state forces us to have levies rather than fixing the problem. Over and over people email us telling us is it a local problem. If we are going to continue to tax people with school levies, they are going to have to leave their homes and move elsewhere. Our question is where? Below, please find the other schools on the ballot this coming Tuesday. This is NOT a Springboro problem, this is a statewide problem. Contact your state representative and the governor. Tell them to fix school funding now."
They followed with a long list of other school districts in Ohio with levy issues on the March 4th ballow. I found it condesending, sounding like this over-tax situation occurs everywhere so just put up with it. I have contacted my state representatives, but I will still vote NO because no action to change the illegal school funding method will happen if we, the tax payers continue to accept more school levies. If more schools are placed on probation for lack of funds and not meeting Ohio codes then finally a resolution will come. VOTE NO to SPRINGBORO LEVIES and send a message to local and state government. Believe me the children will not suffer, this is only a ploy. As far as pay-to-play, parents should pay for their children to participate and not the taxpayers. Sports are not a neccessity.

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Feb 29, 2008
 
I am from just up the road in Miamisburg. We're facing the same type of situation with our school districts. As much as I want to support the schools, I can't keep voting yes to let them take money from my wallet. Regardless of if I have enough money, it is my money to chose what to do with. Until the schools can convince me that they deserve for me to choose to give them my money and know and understand the responsibility of making smart decisions with it, I will continue to vote no. How much of your income is already taken each month by some taxing authority - Federal, state, local, real estate taxes (city, county, schools), sales tax? How much does this add up to? 20%? 30%? 40%? 50%? How much is enough? Those taxing authorities need to make tough choices and prioritize their spending. What is more important repaving roads, community water parks, social services, flu shots, new city hallsm etc etc etc or public schools. Get money from somewhere else, but no more from my pockets.

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I know this is probably going to draw some strong criticism, but people need to realize where things are headed. Below is an excerpt from the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx -(pay close attention to numbers 1, 2, & 10)
10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

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BurgCitizen212 wrote:
I am from just up the road in Miamisburg. We're facing the same type of situation with our school districts. As much as I want to support the schools, I can't keep voting yes to let them take money from my wallet. Regardless of if I have enough money, it is my money to chose what to do with. Until the schools can convince me that they deserve for me to choose to give them my money and know and understand the responsibility of making smart decisions with it, I will continue to vote no. How much of your income is already taken each month by some taxing authority - Federal, state, local, real estate taxes (city, county, schools), sales tax? How much does this add up to? 20%? 30%? 40%? 50%? How much is enough? Those taxing authorities need to make tough choices and prioritize their spending. What is more important repaving roads, community water parks, social services, flu shots, new city hallsm etc etc etc or public schools. Get money from somewhere else, but no more from my pockets.
Yes, I know well that Miamisburg is in a similar situation as far as an onslaught of levies. Voting no is really the only recourse we have and the only way we can get a message sent. So many of these school districts believe we should just blindly vote yes without question. Ohioans across the state are over taxed - 5th highest in the nation I believe and something needs to change. Good luck with your endeavors "up the road"...:-)

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Took advantage of the early voting today (Saturday). It took about 45 minutes but well worth it. I am afraid the polls will be a mess on Tuesday as well and wanted to make sure I got my NO votes in, in case something happens Tuesday and I can't make it in.

Also, they keep talking about all of this being for the children, it's for the children, it's our children's future, etc. What I have read seems like the increase is more for the teachers and administrators future. Increase in health insurance, more payment into retirement accounts, across the board 4.65% pay increase, etc. Whose best interest are these levies really in?
Not Again Baker

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I also voted today and it was very easy and convenient. The board of election employees kept the voters moving through fairly quickly. They even provide a lobby with comfortable chairs; on Tuesday I would of stood in a long line! Anyone wanting to vote early can do so on Monday from 8:00am-4:30am in Lebanon at the municipal building on Justice Drive. I was glad to give them my No votes also. I actually believe the school board hurt their case by not only asking for a renewal, but also more money. I agree it is not for "the childrens' future" but self-serving. They say they need to pass this levy now, or they will not be able to hire 26 of the best teachers by June. Being a teacher myself I know that the teachers designated as "the best teachers" based on college class standing are not always the best. It's not all able the teaching methods taught in college, but rather who has the passion, creativity and desire to reach each student. Also, "the best" teachers often turn down higher pay to go where their heart leads them. Also, as a teacher I do think Springboro does need to place more of the healthcare costs onto the employees and not the taxpayers. Why should taxpayers have to pay our benefits and their own? I pray this election will should local schools and the state legislature that finally change must come to the illegal Ohio State school funding. I encourage everyone to vote NO Monday and Tuesday for the Springboro School levies.
David Newman

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I suspect that you are as out of touch with reality as our school board. If the school district was forced to address spending and costs like most of the companies that these tax payers work for there would be personnel cuts, reductions or elimination of annual raises, and a feeling of hoping simply to maintain a job.

My company in particular has been issuing 3% annual raises on average for the past 2 years, pays only 75% of medical benefits for a policy that I am sure is not as good as our teachers and provides a maximum of 4% match for our 401k. Please note that most of us are salaried so we regularly work more than 8hrs per day and we work 12 months out of the year. I know life is rough.

To be clear I am thankful to have this job and feel that I am being reasonably taken care of by my employer. Further, I understand if my performance as measured by my work result drops off my job could be at risk.

The idea that after spending so much so recently that we should vote in a permanent levy that apparently the majority of spending is to ensure a 4.75% annual raise, 10% retirement match, and 90% of medical benefits and then to conceal it behind pay to play and busing is just plain silly AGAIN.

I would like the school board to know that I was born at night but it wasn't last night.

I will continue to fund a school budget that makes sense. I will review each levy on the facts. A permanent levy for pay raises and retirement is a bit of a stretch.

Lets vote NO now and see if we can gain some additional perspective after the current temporary levies fall off and a clearer idea of actual costs (not big raises) is evident.

When I don't have enough money in my personal budget to buy something I can't. I think that the school board has lost site of this basic reality because they don't have to operate for profit. The money tree is empty right now. Come back later.

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From daytondailynews.com this morning:

"Springboro Schools

Voters in the school district will see on their ballots a five-year emergency renewal for 10.05 mills and a continuing 5.99 mill levy to fund operating expenses.

Owners of $200,000 homes would pay about $262 more a year in property taxes for the new money and continue to pay about $616 a year to fund the renewal, according to county estimates."

Figure out how much this levy and renewal will cost you. Man, that renewal is huge. This was sold to us three years ago as a temporary levy and supposed to roll off now. Now they not only want use to renew it but want to add on more. There is very poor planning going on someplace. It is very easy to go to the taxpayers and ask for more money - it is much harder to manage, plan and implement cut backs which the rest of us have to do along with any business. Which is our school district doing? The easy route of course.

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David - love the line "The money tree is empty right now." :-)

Because that is what the school board thinks of us; one big, unending, ever-producing, money tree... That line of thinking needs to stop.
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Today I paid my semi-annual property taxes and realized they have increase almost 50% since 2003! Most of the increase has been for the Springboro Schools! I am angry that in this economy and after how much they already receive that they are asking for more. I believe this levy will fail and rightly so. Even many parents with children in the system are opposed, which says alot. I just hope that finally Springboro residents stand up and refuse to take on more taxes, taxes that never go down! Last time I checked Springboro is not a nanny state yet, and just because the school administration and school board "feel" we are wealthy enough to support their increase whims, WE the PEOPLE, have the finally say. Don't be conned by "it's for the children.." Please remember to vote NO in march.
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I just paid my 2008 property tax bill. My taxes for the Springboro schools went DOWN nearly $85 per half -$170 per year over what I paid in 2007. That's because so many people have moved into the district. The school collects "x" amount of dollars on the levies. When new people move in our taxes go DOWN because the schools can't collect more than the amount of money the levies raise. So, when I vote YES for both levies on Tuesday, my taxes for 2009 will be back to what they were in 2007. Did you all hear that - no tax increase! Really!! And even that will go down when new people keep moving in. Please people, understand how schools are funded. Please vote yes and keep our schools and community in great shape!

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