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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23707 Mar 3, 2013
Just A Lapdog wrote:
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Do not let all the post that reference DOING trick you, they are all from Just Watching trying to legitimize the nonsenses and fear mongering that they thrive off of. We all know that its one of two BOE members posting this nonsense. If not Just A Lapdog of theirs.
Woof.

Once again, refute my statements on the school district's actual performance. Show the reading public where my analysis is wrong.

Provide the concerned parents why they should rejoice that their child is labeled "Proficient".

Tell those parents how getting less than half of the material is really okay for their children.

Twelve years of "Proficient" education will prepare these 2000+ children well for their future.

Let them also know the address of the Unemployment Office, they will need that in the future as well.
Miller vs Kids First

Piqua, OH

#23708 Mar 3, 2013
Just A Lapdog wrote:
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Do not let all the post that reference DOING trick you, they are all from Just Watching trying to legitimize the nonsenses and fear mongering that they thrive off of. We all know that its one of two BOE members posting this nonsense. If not Just A Lapdog of theirs.
We all know that Don Miller is the only one of our BOE members doing NOTHING for our school children first. Don't be fooled by the fearful and failed tunnel vision no-leadership of long time "sitting on the board" member Don Miller.
Don Miller is the only one of our BOE members, who for seven years now, has proven himself to be JUST A LAPDOG for the SEA union masters; protecting the public schools teachers union "adults first" old status quo philosophy; and voting against our school districts' new winning philosophy of children first budgeting.
We only have one "business as usual" board member, Don Miller, who is JUST A LAPDOG for the SEA's "union thugs" politics of "taking out" reform-minded elected officials, in the 2013 Miller vs Kids First campaign.
Don't be fooled by this long-running, ongoing-campaign of BOE member Don Miller vs Kids First, being promoted throughout our schools and community by the Springboro Education Association's "union thugs" politics of personal destruction to
"take out" and vote for revenge against common sense reform minded children first budgeting BOE elected officials.
Excuse Me

Piqua, OH

#23709 Mar 3, 2013
Do something wrote:
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I'm curious, the test scores have not changed that much over the past decade per your comparison of school funding and test scores so where are all of those Springboro graduates that were only proficient? How many went on to college anyways even though you would have called them failures. How many are successful adults?
How about, instead of constantly complaining how bad we are doing YOU come up with some ideas that can help this district.
So, Where were you on January 10?

Our reform-minded school board members brought to Boro parents' attention a proposed study to "Do something" to come up with some ideas that can help this district.

Our status quo board member, Don Miller, who is the only board member still sitting on the board as "JUST A LAPDOG" protecting the teachers union "business as usual" empowerment over our children's future, joined with the bad babb for boro babblers and the bitter bowman bloggers, in opposition to our school district pursuing goals of higher academic achievement for all our students.

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Haters is this fair

Milford, OH

#23710 Mar 3, 2013
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23711 Mar 3, 2013
Haters is this fair wrote:
http://www.trelease-on-reading .com/no-dentist.html
I disputed the nonsense when it was proposed to the BOE that the teachers were the primary and most important component of a child's education. The teacher's in the audience were in full throated agreement when that statement was made by a young man during the public participation portion of the evening's affairs.

If one is going to claim all the credit for the success of certain students, one should also be prepared to claim all the credit for the students who aren't doing so well.

The truth of the matter is that education is a cooperative affair that depends on everyone doing their part in the program. Parents hold the high position because they have more influence over a child than anyone else. That position comes with both duty and responsibility to foster a sense of value for education in their child.

The taxpayers provide the funds for everything, without them we have nothing.

The teachers can only do so much, without the support of the community, and most importantly the parents, the teachers job becomes much more difficult.

It is in the best interest of everyone to realize the times in which we live, the sacrifices all are making, and how ultimately we all have the same goal in mind, that of a well educated, productive citizen at the end of the journey.
Higher Ground

Piqua, OH

#23712 Mar 3, 2013
Isn't it time to rise above the silly pettiness of "who is more important: parents or teachers?"

"Our leaders must remember that education doesn't begin with some isolated bureaucrat in Washington. It doesn't even begin with state of local officials. Education begins in the home."
-Ronald Reagan
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23714 Mar 3, 2013
You are correct, notify the local union and notify them as such.
Signals

Youngstown, OH

#23715 Mar 5, 2013

http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/03/05/tea-par...

Dr. Kelly Kohls once again in the news!
Copy and paste the link above and enjoy! Explain this one Just Watching!:)
Hey There Signals

Piqua, OH

#23716 Mar 5, 2013
Thanks for bringing that great news article to the attention of bloggers on this discussion -- Meant to copy and paste web address on this blog the first time I read it; Just wanted to shout out applause! applause! for our good neighbor, Dr. Kelly Kohls, who works so tirelessly on behalf of our individual freedom to question and change the established way of doing things!
We Love Kelly!

"Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuous revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows us to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions."
-Ronald Reagan
Just Watching

Lebanon, OH

#23717 Mar 5, 2013
Signals wrote:
http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/03/05/tea-par...
Dr. Kelly Kohls once again in the news!
Copy and paste the link above and enjoy! Explain this one Just Watching!:)
Not exactly AP or Reuters reporting going on here.
Plunderbund - Merriam-Webster Online
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plunderbun...
plunderbund. noun. Definition of PLUNDERBUND.: a league of commercial, political, or financial interests that exploits the public.
A rather apt description of a politically motivated group and the one sided hit pieces they like to pass off as "news".
What the Superintendent did in Franklin was against the law. You can tell that by his actions after he was contacted by the prosecutors office, rather than face charges, he agreed to reimburse the district for the cost of his folly.
Should Ms Kohls have looked the other way? Would that have been a preferable course of action?
Franklin's Superintendent is upset because they are getting no more money than they get today in Mr. Kasichs new funding plan. The Franklin Superintendent never complained when he was getting more money per student than Springboro, that situation was fine as far as he was concerned. Mr. Kasich's plan to level the playing field for everyone meant that districts like Springboro would no longer beforced to subsidize other school districts throughout the state.
Under the new program every district gets basically the same amount per student. In the past some so called "wealthier" districts received a fraction of what they sent to the state in property taxes and were expected to make up the difference by raising taxes on its residents. In effect the people of Springboro were funding not just our district but others as well, because everybody knows that everyone is Springboro is rich, so they can afford to pay extra.
Poppycock.
Dredging up the financial misfortunes of an individual that fought for two years before succumbing to the economic climate that has pervaded our land these past four years shows just how classless the writer of this piece is. How many of us have stared into the abyss and wondered if tomorrow we too might be sucked into the sinkhole? I know personally more people than I care to count that have been to the edge, some have fallen in and are clawing their way back out. Others have teetered near the precipice and the fear it engendered was not a pleasant experience. These have not been glowing economic times for many in the private sector and I decry those who make hay of other people's misfortune.
Mrs. Kohls believes in fiscal responsibility, her own experience has been a stern taskmaster. Mrs. Kohls message of conservative financial management is one which we should heed when looking at the public financing of our institutions. The citizens of Springboro should be in no rush to join hundreds of other communities that have extended their finances well beyond their means. Cities from Detroit, MI to San Bernadino, CA are all feeling the crushing burden of crony capitalism and crony unionism.
Transparency in government is a good thing for all citizens. Contracts let in the friendly confines of a dark back room among "friends" are ultimately paid for by the hardworking taxpayer who is forced to do with less while supporting more unnecessary expenditures made in their name.
The time of the back room deals are done, let the public know what you are spending their money upon.
Just Watching

Dayton, OH

#23718 Mar 5, 2013
Signals wrote:
http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/03/05/tea-par...
Dr. Kelly Kohls once again in the news!
Copy and paste the link above and enjoy! Explain this one Just Watching!:)
Just watching one of the biggest hypocrites in our community. Wish I would have run up close to 1 million in debt and walked away. Then have the gall to take it out on educators. It would take a beginning teacher 25 years to make that amount. Wonder how long it took her to spend that much money.
Just Watching

Lebanon, OH

#23719 Mar 6, 2013
Petty attacks on Mrs. Kohls reveal the dearth of ideas that exist on the other side.

The opposition once again fails to take the opportunity to define their disagreement with Mrs. Kohls.

Rather, we are entertained with a personal smear campaign as opposed to actual ideas that may benefit the 2000 plus children mired in a system that is failing to provide them the education they were promised.

Taxpayers are hoodwinked into thinking everything is wonderful in Candyland by the careful use of semantics to paper over failure. Much like George Orwell's "1984", a classic tome against the socialist mentality, the public has been fed news the schools believe they want to hear. The truth is much more taxing, thus a new form of communication, DOUBLESPEAK emerges. The definition from the official party manual in the book reads as such:

" The keyword here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts. Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. But it means also the ability to believe that black is white, and more, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary. This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made possible by the system of thought which really embraces all the rest, and which is known in Newspeak as doublethink. Doublethink is basically the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. "

The message of fiscal conservatism or fiscal responsibility cannot be allowed to stand if those who put themselves before our children are to prevail.

The messenger of such tidings must be destroyed if the true edict of strength through wanton spending is to reign. How else can the public be expected to accept failure as success? Irresponsible spending as husbanding of resources for the greater good? Or the desire for more personal wealth for altruism?

2000 plus children are failing in this district year in and year out.

No amount of petty attacks on proponents of reform will change that salient point.

Our children deserve better.

We demand better.
Worth Repeating

Piqua, OH

#23720 Mar 6, 2013
Job Well Done wrote:
http://www.wmfd.com/local-news /single.asp?story=53425
Thank you, Dr. Kohls, for a job well done.
Because of your continuing good efforts to bring about much needed changes in our school district, Springboro is growing stronger as a great community in which to live, work, and go to school!
We Love Good Neighbors with great civic pride in our schools and community!
Thank you, Kelly, for your continuing public service, and forgive us for boasting a bit, but we are just so Boro Proud of your leadership doing what's right for our school children and community! Absolutely Amazingly Awesome!
Think on Good Things

Piqua, OH

#23721 Mar 6, 2013
Finding ways to methodically advance student achievement should always be everyone’s goal. Implementing academic reforms will, for example, reduce the present need for so many of our students needing to take college remediation courses. This, of course, will immediately translate into money saved for parents whose students attend Ohio’s colleges. And, in order to meet this challenge of higher academic quality, the current school Board of Education and District are, or already have plans to, invest heavily in technology, professional development for teachers, new textbooks, as well as new computers for every teacher, plus much more.

All this being said, there is a lot of work yet to be done to assure you (parents) that we will strive to do more than meet the minimum state requirements. The current Board of Education is dedicated to being advocates for every student striving to push the bar higher than other districts.

Some say there’s no need to change because our district achieved an “excellent with Distinction” rating for our most recent school year. But we live in a world that is dynamic, a world of ever-evolving expectations and realities that require our constant attention. What once was an acceptable level of achievement is now a relic of the past that will ill serve our children and our taxpayers in the future.

As parents, we all desire that our children be provided the best we can afford. We constantly challenge our children with the hope that doing so will help prepare them for the world and better lives than we ourselves enjoy. We are also highly cognizant of the importance of true learning and greatly value education and the promise of what it may bring.

Everyone in the school community has more in common than they have differences. Let us meld that commonality to push forth a better school system than we enjoy today. We owe it to our children. Let us come together to push for real achievement and higher standards that we currently demand.

http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
Why no answers

Columbus, OH

#23722 Mar 6, 2013
Signals wrote:
http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/03/05/tea-par...
Dr. Kelly Kohls once again in the news!
Copy and paste the link above and enjoy! Explain this one Just Watching!:)
I agree with Just Watching he makes a few good points. Why doesn't Signals tell us what he doesn't like about Kohl's speaking points? She seems to be getting lots of chances to talk around the state. It must sound good to somebody or they wouldn't invite her to talk.
A little honesty please

Piqua, OH

#23723 Mar 6, 2013
Why no answers wrote:
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I agree with Just Watching he makes a few good points. Why doesn't Signals tell us what he doesn't like about Kohl's speaking points? She seems to be getting lots of chances to talk around the state. It must sound good to somebody or they wouldn't invite her to talk.
Of course it sounds good to everyone - no one wants to pay more taxes - pretty simple to figure out.

The one thing no one is talking about is what is happening to our school district. Teachers are leaving and they are not hiring any replacements. The opportunities that once were great for students like the various electives, and the after school clubs such as Teen Mentoring are/might be going away with no hope for replacement. Students involved in these after school clubs have that much more to include on their college applications, does no one care about that? How about our HS students scheduling for next year - there were a lot of electives still on the list but if you do the math, there are not enough teachers to teach all of those clases - and from what Mr. Petrey said "the plan is to hire 4-5 new teachers but all of those new teachers will be for the lower grades - not the high school". What classes should the older students take?

I know the push is to send our students to college early so the state/district will pay - but what if your student is not ready emotionally for a college class or the college environment, what about the risks of driving on the highway, possibly during rush-hour, what about the added peer pressure of older college kids? There are a lot of advantages for sending students to college early but let's not forget the disadvantages. And as a side note, if the state is paying for the PSEO, isn't that similar to Welfare - how is that helping the state to be fiscally responsible? Or do you only care about fiscal responsibility when it affects your own wallet?
And Another Why

Piqua, OH

#23724 Mar 6, 2013
Why no answers wrote:
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I agree with Just Watching he makes a few good points. Why doesn't Signals tell us what he doesn't like about Kohl's speaking points? She seems to be getting lots of chances to talk around the state. It must sound good to somebody or they wouldn't invite her to talk.
Sounds good to me...I agree with Kohl's speaking points; and question WHY signals and others like signals appear to be almost stalking Kohls,(in the news articles, blogs, and all public meetings) as Kohls goes about doing good, exercisng her Great American rights of free speech.

Why all this silly pettiness of signals (attacking character instead of issues) in attempts to demonize a good Springboro citizen by "tattling" on Kohls to Just Watching on this blog?
Individual Responsibility

Piqua, OH

#23725 Mar 6, 2013
A little honesty please wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it sounds good to everyone - no one wants to pay more taxes - pretty simple to figure out.
The one thing no one is talking about is what is happening to our school district. Teachers are leaving and they are not hiring any replacements. The opportunities that once were great for students like the various electives, and the after school clubs such as Teen Mentoring are/might be going away with no hope for replacement. Students involved in these after school clubs have that much more to include on their college applications, does no one care about that? How about our HS students scheduling for next year - there were a lot of electives still on the list but if you do the math, there are not enough teachers to teach all of those clases - and from what Mr. Petrey said "the plan is to hire 4-5 new teachers but all of those new teachers will be for the lower grades - not the high school". What classes should the older students take?
I know the push is to send our students to college early so the state/district will pay - but what if your student is not ready emotionally for a college class or the college environment, what about the risks of driving on the highway, possibly during rush-hour, what about the added peer pressure of older college kids? There are a lot of advantages for sending students to college early but let's not forget the disadvantages. And as a side note, if the state is paying for the PSEO, isn't that similar to Welfare - how is that helping the state to be fiscally responsible? Or do you only care about fiscal responsibility when it affects your own wallet?
The mission of our schools is not to help the state be fiscally responsible; but to produce good citizens and life long learners
who must never forget it is individual responsibility (not collective bargaining) that strengthens our country by empasizing personal freedom, believing in liberty and responsibility, and letting people prosper, grow, and follow their individual dreams.

"Wouldn't it be better for the human spirit and for the soul of this nation to encourage people to accept more responsibility to care for each other, rather than leaving those tasks to paid bureaucrats." - Ronald Reagan
Just Watching

Lebanon, OH

#23726 Mar 6, 2013
A little honesty please wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it sounds good to everyone - no one wants to pay more taxes - pretty simple to figure out.
The one thing no one is talking about is what is happening to our school district. Teachers are leaving and they are not hiring any replacements. The opportunities that once were great for students like the various electives, and the after school clubs such as Teen Mentoring are/might be going away with no hope for replacement. Students involved in these after school clubs have that much more to include on their college applications, does no one care about that? How about our HS students scheduling for next year - there were a lot of electives still on the list but if you do the math, there are not enough teachers to teach all of those clases - and from what Mr. Petrey said "the plan is to hire 4-5 new teachers but all of those new teachers will be for the lower grades - not the high school". What classes should the older students take?
I know the push is to send our students to college early so the state/district will pay - but what if your student is not ready emotionally for a college class or the college environment, what about the risks of driving on the highway, possibly during rush-hour, what about the added peer pressure of older college kids? There are a lot of advantages for sending students to college early but let's not forget the disadvantages. And as a side note, if the state is paying for the PSEO, isn't that similar to Welfare - how is that helping the state to be fiscally responsible? Or do you only care about fiscal responsibility when it affects your own wallet?
PSEO is paid for by the school district which get its funds from the state. The money follows the child, which is why Mr. Malone sells the high school as the first and foremost option available for higher education. Ultimately it is your tax dollars funding all of the programs coming out of the same defined pot of cash.

PSEO is the perfect vehicle to edge your child into the college environment while still under your tutelage and watchful eye. Most classes are during the day during the off hours, so traffic is not generally the disadvantage you portray. Remember we are driving between Springboro and Miami-Middletown or Wright State. If you feel real adventurous send your child to Sinclair, but even there, rush hour traffic is not like Chicago or Los Angeles. In regards to the peer pressure if you feel you have not done a good enough job teaching your children how to know the difference between right and wrong, then I would worry as well. Regardless of all of the above, the reality is your child will be leaving the nest within the next year or so, at that point you will have a good deal less influence.
Try taking advantage of that positive influence you have now and begin easing your child forward.

As Mr. Malone mentioned at the board meeting a few weeks ago, the offer many electives and then look at filling whichever classes have the most interest. Some classes have only six kids sign up, those are cancelled because they are not cost effective to teach. A quick glance through the program of studies reveals a plethora of actual academic classes and fun classes, the children have no lack of choice. They are free to begin garnering actual college credits or they are free to while away their senior year studying the history of sports in America.. To say we lack electives is simply a false statement.

Given the state of our Ohio Achievement Assessment results, I would highly recommend more concentration on the basics of math and reading. The state of our math scores is absolutely pathetic. We begin third grade with less than 20% obtaining a D or F, by the time they have completed 8th grade that number has ballooned to nearly 80% scoring 75% or less on the test.
You did not read that wrong, 4 out of 5 eighth graders scores 75% and below on the Ohio Achievement Assessment in math.
Just Wondering

Dayton, OH

#23727 Mar 6, 2013
Individual Responsibility wrote:
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The mission of our schools is not to help the state be fiscally responsible; but to produce good citizens and life long learners
who must never forget it is individual responsibility (not collective bargaining) that strengthens our country by empasizing personal freedom, believing in liberty and responsibility, and letting people prosper, grow, and follow their individual dreams.
"Wouldn't it be better for the human spirit and for the soul of this nation to encourage people to accept more responsibility to care for each other, rather than leaving those tasks to paid bureaucrats." - Ronald Reagan
Sounds like the problem is in the Junior High. How come the only attacks seem to be on the high school? I've seen the district report card and the Junior High is like an anchor the high school pretty much carries the rest of the district. I read about Mr. Malone and what he's not doing, do not really see anything negative. How about Ms. Cook? The Junior High is a mess under her "lack" of leadership. Look at the report card the JH has the lowest scores. Why is she not under constant attack? Is it because she is one of the BOE lapdogs? Looks like many of the posters out here thrive on what the high school is not doing. If you really want to see it go down hill maybe we should promote Ms. Cook to replace Mr. Malone.

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