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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23481 Feb 17, 2013
Lurker wrote:
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Of course parents are very important in learning. I think we can all agree on that point. I have a partnership with my kids teachers! If I believed it was only parents, I would homeschool. But I realize teachers are key to my kids success!
Lurker you need to visit a teacher and learn again how to read actual content rather than your imagination.

Parents first and foremost have more influence on a child's development and growth than any teacher will.

A teacher faced one hour per day with a child that comes from an unloved home, is not properly fed, not clothed in a reasonable manner, has no permanent shelter, has not been socialized to any degree by the parents, has no respect for education, displays no respect for any authority, no respect for other people's property, and is burdened by societal vices will most likely not be the reason this child succeeds or fails.

Parents who provide a hint of a loving environment at home ( not all will be great, but just being together means the world to a child ), who shelter, feed, and clothe that child in a reasonable manner ( you don't have to live in a mansion, or eat steak every night, or wear the latest designer fashions ), teach their children the value of education, follow up with homework, not tolerate attitude nor behavior problems in school, set an example of industriousness, respect other people's person and property, and provide them with a solid foundation of morals and values that benefit society as a whole, will in all probability provide the schools with a child they can successfully educate.

Ask any teacher which child they would prefer to teach, the child from the parents who don't care or the child from parents that do care.

I don't think the answer will be all that surprising.

The foundation which is provided that makes the greatest amount of difference.

PARENTS provide that foundation.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23482 Feb 17, 2013
Lurker do you ever have anything besides simple questions that offer nothing to the 2000 plus children in this district that are not getting the education they deserve?

How about a thought or two about the 3/8 of our kids who are being left behind without a thought?

Seriously, nothing?
can ya prove it

Springboro, OH

#23483 Feb 17, 2013
Free Speech wrote:
I believe the BOE sent an email to the staff through Mr. Petry that the staff can not speak on any decisions that are made by the BOE, not positive but I think this is what people are speaking of when referring to Free Speech
This is one more of the Babb, Bowman, Greenburg pure lies. I am staff and never got such a letter.
can ya prove it

Springboro, OH

#23484 Feb 17, 2013
Lurker wrote:
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I believe 2 current board members took plenty of time speaking to the previous board before they were elected.
Yes they spoke and gave plenty of great ideas to save money but they never bashed with such disrespect, they never did it just to get on camera they both gave many specific ideas.
seal show

Springboro, OH

#23485 Feb 17, 2013
Lurker wrote:
Sure seemed like the crowd was clapping for Mr Bowman. Were we at the same meeting?
The crowd of 20 teachers and 5 union boot lickers. So what those are the same people that come to every meeting to kiss up and to swear we need more money when we do not. These are the same bunch that worked their butts off to get a levy passed and now have egg on their face. They have clapped like that for years. I heard someone call then seals in a seal show.
seal show

Springboro, OH

#23486 Feb 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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I believe that was the teacher's union and its misguided supporters. Mr. Bowman went silent, as did that supportive crowd, when after Mr. Bowman claimed teachers are the primary reason for a student's success he was challenged from the crowd about the parent's primacy in his assertion. Mr. Bowman never did respond to that and the issue dropped rather quickly.
Apparently, the union and its supporters never really considered that parents might just be a little more important.
I know I was in opposition to what Bowman said and I heard many in the audience bad mouth him during his speech and afterwards. His words made the audience angry. Many were shouting at him.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#23487 Feb 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Lurker do you ever have anything besides simple questions that offer nothing to the 2000 plus children in this district that are not getting the education they deserve?
How about a thought or two about the 3/8 of our kids who are being left behind without a thought?
Seriously, nothing?
No, I am just a questioner. I don't feel the need to repost the statistics everyday!
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23488 Feb 17, 2013
Lurker wrote:
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No, I am just a questioner. I don't feel the need to repost the statistics everyday!
Have you no thoughts of your own?

Perhaps you could either verify or provide an alternate reading to children scoring 32% on a test and being deemed Proficient.

2000 plus children in this district are scoring failing grades according to Dr. Malone's definition of grades A-F on our state achievement tests.

Share with us your thoughts on how to reverse this unfortunate happenstance.
Big Questions

Piqua, OH

#23489 Feb 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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How much confidence do you think the community will have in its schools if the present poisonous atmosphere continues? How much hard earned, scarce money do you think people want to pour down that rat hole?
Given the way the negotiations have started, a divisive union contract negotiation could turn into a long drawn out affair. This will probably effect the climate in which this renewal is being voted upon. Even if it is put out there, will it pass?
If it doesn't pass, who will pay the ultimate price?
So why in the world is our school superintendent proposing approval from the board to develop an early childhood center
that "provides a continuum of services based on the developmental needs of young learners?"

Exactly what is "continuum of services" and how much is this going to cost taxpayers, somewhere down the road, when our school superintendent comes to the voters for more money to pay increased salaries and benefits to our union teachers (who are sacrificing themselves to teach)? Can you imagine the distorted emotional manipulation by the union activists?

Why not simplify meeting the special needs of our preschoolers
(which our school outsources to ESC) by sponsoring a conversion school, instead of bringing the early childhood education business into the public schools tent?
The JW building would be a good facility for our special needs school for our little ones; and the K-12 public schools budget would save that $5000 increase in administrative salary for the Clearcreek elementary principal.
reality

Girard, OH

#23490 Feb 17, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Have you no thoughts of your own?
Perhaps you could either verify or provide an alternate reading to children scoring 32% on a test and being deemed Proficient.
2000 plus children in this district are scoring failing grades according to Dr. Malone's definition of grades A-F on our state achievement tests.
Share with us your thoughts on how to reverse this unfortunate happenstance.
Approximately 90% of any given Boro grade achieving "Proficient" or above, by hurdling over those OAA minimum cut-off scores that are as low as 32%!

This is how Lurker and his gang define Springboro Schools "Excellence with Distinction"
Big Questions

Piqua, OH

#23491 Feb 17, 2013
BORO look in the mirror wrote:
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I agree wholehearedly that many of Jan 10's participants displayed an incredible amount of pretentiousness. Teachers in the audience thinking of nothing but THEMSELVES collectively shouted down further conversion school discussion. Certain parents chimed in with these teachers. That was nothing less than a union on union orgy. If you see parents from the 1/10 speakers list in and around town, you may still notice a strange brown substance smeared in and around their nose and inside their nostrils.
What happened Jan 10th is a gross injustice to parents in this district who have students who are struggling in one or more academic areas. Many have problems at home, sometimes with parents that aren't parents. These are the kids that sometimes get so discouraged that they drop out of school. A lot of them would tell you for various reasons they have trouble keeping up with the rest of the class. Some of these struggling students might tell you they're being completely left behind by a school district's omnipresent subliminal standard....
"Excellent with Distinction...with NO exception"
What happened Jan 10th is a gross injustice to many district parents of gifted children. Ask some of these kids. Many of them will tell you they reach a point where they feel they are no longer being challenged. They'll tell you in certain classes they get held back to the "rest of the pack" because there's not enough people or resources for them, or the TYPE of resourses they need at their level.
....held back to the rest of the pack?...not enough people?.....or resources?

Why is our district not pursuing conversion schools to address these student's unmet needs?

Why does our school district allow this same group of union/community activists dictate what their insiders want, at the expense of what our students need?

And why is our school superintendent ignoring these "unmet needs" of students; and proposing going into the preschool early development business?

Why not focus on building up resources and people to meet our K-12 students "unmet needs" before bringing the expenses of preschool learning centers into the Tent of taxpayer-funded public schools?
Boro Mom

Loveland, OH

#23492 Feb 17, 2013
Would you like the district to cast aside a rating that the State of Ohio gave it? I think everyone can agree that the scores and system is wrong, but don't cast aside the hard work that some students put into getting our schools that rating. From my understanding, which I'll admit isn't much, the OAA and OGT are comprehensive exams. Both my kids were proficient on the OGT and scored 24 and 27 on the ACT. I'm happy they scored well enough to get into the schools they chose and are doing fine. It's ridiculous that a single test can mean so much to a school.
reality

Girard, OH

#23493 Feb 18, 2013
Boro Mom wrote:
Would you like the district to cast aside a rating that the State of Ohio gave it? I think everyone can agree that the scores and system is wrong, but don't cast aside the hard work that some students put into getting our schools that rating. From my understanding, which I'll admit isn't much, the OAA and OGT are comprehensive exams. Both my kids were proficient on the OGT and scored 24 and 27 on the ACT. I'm happy they scored well enough to get into the schools they chose and are doing fine. It's ridiculous that a single test can mean so much to a school.
Congrats to you, Boro Mom! You apparently avoided membership to Boro'S 2000 club.
Boro Mom

Cincinnati, OH

#23494 Feb 18, 2013
reality wrote:
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Congrats to you, Boro Mom! You apparently avoided membership to Boro'S 2000 club.
I'm more interested in ACT and SAT scores then a rather meaningless test. I talked to my girls and they laughed when I asked if it was difficult. They said they knew they'd pass and didn't really care about the test. It was very frustrating to hear that answer and realizing that they could have done better. I'm guessing more students feel the same way...maybe some kind of scholarships attached to scores could make students interested in trying hard?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23495 Feb 18, 2013
Boro Mom wrote:
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I'm more interested in ACT and SAT scores then a rather meaningless test. I talked to my girls and they laughed when I asked if it was difficult. They said they knew they'd pass and didn't really care about the test. It was very frustrating to hear that answer and realizing that they could have done better. I'm guessing more students feel the same way...maybe some kind of scholarships attached to scores could make students interested in trying hard?
Scholarships are tied to rigors of coursework, class standing, and ACT and SAT scores.

Reducing the incentive to venture outside the high school campus to a college campus does a disservice to the students and parents when the school downgrades their efforts via grade weighting.

Funny way the high school has of inducing students to participate in a program designed to reduce the cost of higher education while easing our better students into the college environment.

The OAA tests are more about how well your school is performing and identifying deficiencies within the student body. Corrective action is more easily targeted if you have an idea of who knows what.

2000 plus of our children in this school district are by Mr. Malone's definition failing.

I do not take any joy in that fact or number.
reality

Girard, OH

#23496 Feb 18, 2013
Boro Mom wrote:
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I'm more interested in ACT and SAT scores then a rather meaningless test. I talked to my girls and they laughed when I asked if it was difficult. They said they knew they'd pass and didn't really care about the test. It was very frustrating to hear that answer and realizing that they could have done better. I'm guessing more students feel the same way...maybe some kind of scholarships attached to scores could make students interested in trying hard?
I hear what you're saying 100%. However IMO in Springboro as well as most other public schools, there's WAY too much emphasis on test-preparation in order for each respective district to gain that much-coveted state recognition of "Excellent". At the same time there's NOT NEARLY enough emphasis being placed to match what they're learning to job demands they'll see in the real world. This is the area especially where many of their peers around the globe are kicking their American counterparts butts.
Take Germany for example..By the time a typical German child reaches his or her senior year (in addition to their regular schoolwork) they've already chosen a vocational field and have taken great strides to master it.
Please Explain

Piqua, OH

#23497 Feb 18, 2013
Follow the Money wrote:
5) Mr. Malone went on endlessly about the A/P courses in our high school, but failed to make the case why a college course would be weighted 15% less than a course taken in his high school.
How is a college course weighted 15% less than a high school course?
hot off the press

Girard, OH

#23498 Feb 18, 2013
Increased spending and smaller class sizes are not predictors of success in the classroom, according to Springboro Board of Education President.

Kelly Kohls said she has become gravely concerned over education in the past 5 years. "I'm driven to change education in this county". Globally, the U.S. is "losing ground" every year to other countries, despite spending the most per student in the world.

Ohio has increased per-student spending, while test scores have remained flat, Kohls said. In addition to spending, she also said smaller class sizes have not proven to be as effective in student performance. Class sizes in the U.S. have decreased, while performance has remained flat. Other countries are averaging class sizes of 30-38 and outperforming the U.S., which averages 23-28 students.

Kohls said school board members are larely to blame, and parents need to have more initiative when it comes to educating their children. Kohls also said a majority of teachers "are great people, are in for the right reasons, but somehow the system is not working for our kids."

The Ohio Graduation Test grades students using a low standard where a student can answer 43% of the questions on math and reading and still receive a "proficient" grade. "I think just raising the bar isn't going to help us," Kohls said. "We scan't even bring the kids to the standards we have. All it's going to mean is that you have a bar that a greater percentage of your students don't make it to. So it's a system failure, that I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel yet."

Kohls said education leaders need to treat education like a business.

Kohls encouraged people to be more involved with the education system, and run for school board. She said schools need help educating both the district employees and the community.

Boro Wise

Piqua, OH

#23499 Feb 18, 2013
reality wrote:
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Congrats to you, Boro Mom! You apparently avoided membership to Boro'S 2000 club.
Finding ways to methodically advance student achievement should always be everyone’s goal. Implementing academic reforms will, for example, reduce the present need for so many of our students needing to take college remediation courses. This, of course, will immediately translate into money saved for parents whose students attend Ohio’s colleges. And, in order to meet this challenge of higher academic quality, the current school Board of Education and District are, or already have plans to, invest heavily in technology, professional development for teachers, new textbooks, as well as new computers for every teacher, plus much more.

All this being said, there is a lot of work yet to be done to assure you (parents) that we will strive to do more than meet the minimum state requirements. The current Board of Education is dedicated to being advocates for every student striving to push the bar higher than other districts.

Some say there’s no need to change because our district achieved an “excellent with Distinction” rating for our most recent school year. But we live in a world that is dynamic, a world of ever-evolving expectations and realities that require our constant attention. What once was an acceptable level of achievement is now a relic of the past that will ill serve our children and our taxpayers in the future.

As parents, we all desire that our children be provided the best we can afford. We constantly challenge our children with the hope that doing so will help prepare them for the world and better lives than we ourselves enjoy. We are also highly cognizant of the importance of true learning and greatly value education and the promise of what it may bring.

Everyone in the school community has more in common than they have differences. Let us meld that commonality to push forth a better school system than we enjoy today. We owe it to our children. Let us come together to push for real achievement and higher standards that we currently demand.

http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
Thank You

Piqua, OH

#23500 Feb 18, 2013
Change is especially important when it comes to
K-12 education. Reformers often appropriately use the term "kids first" when it comes to our educational priorities. Too many times, however, "adults first" is the prevailing philosophy. That has to change, and thanks to Kelly Kohls, it is changing in our Springboro school district.

Springboro's old philosophy was like that of many public school districts: Teachers were given annual "step" raises and administrators received nice salary perks, whether there was money in the district's budget or not. If the district couldn't afford it, voters were expected to approve tax hikes to pay for it all, or accept cuts to student services.
That old "adults first" approach was on full display in 2009, when district officials chose to address their financial woes by eliminating busing for high school students, laying off 30 district employees and raising pay-to-play fees for after school activities.
Not long after that, Kelly Kohls, a mother of five and a former college professor, joined the Springboro school board and a new "children first" philosophy began to emerge.
Kohls' approach of challenging the "business as usual" mindset has proven very effective.
The district now requires employees to contribute more for their health insurance plans. Backdoor bonuses for administrators have been eliminated, annual teacher "step" raises have been frozen, and a variety of spending cuts have been implemented.
Kohls' self-described "kids first" approach has caused a lot of heartburn among Springboro's school establishment. During her tenure on the board, district officials have publicly blamed Kohls for the defeat of a $6 million school levy, the departures of a superintendent, a district treasurer, a school board president and the large turnover in school administrators.
(Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners continue applauding in appreciation and continued support the good work of putting "our kids" first).
Members of the Springboro Education Association - the local teachers union - use public schoool board meetings to excoriate Kohls for opposing teacher pay raises and proposing budget cuts.
Kohls response is that: some people get so entrenched in the old philosophy that it's tough to get them to think whether or not something is going to help the kids.
Voters seem to agree. In November 2011, two additional "fiscal conservatives" were elected and took majority control of the five member school board, with the beginning term January 2012.
Kohls says her approach has been to "ask a lot of question" and to explain the board's spending decisions to the community.
Since January, 2012, the new board has enshrined its "children first" philosophy in a series of 29 goals, which include setting district money aside to help prepare students for the ACT test, among other things.
The board has switched to zero based budgeting, meaning that school budgets will not automatically increase every year. The board is also developing policies that prioritize district spending, to ensure that student-centered spending needs are met before employee benefits and wage increases are considered. Kohls is crafting a point system to determine which employees will receive bonuses from the available funds.....
and this is just the beginning...
Thank you, Mrs. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, Mr. Rigano.

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