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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Cleveland, OH

#23405 Feb 12, 2013
Happy 5th Birthday, thread!(one day late)
Divided or Determined

Cincinnati, OH

#23406 Feb 12, 2013
Sunday brunch wrote:
Do not blame guns.
Guns are not the problem.
The real problem is what drives people to want to kill in the first place.
Anger and envy are being encouraged by the entertainment and news media.
Video games teach foolish people that death isn't even permanent because the victim gets up and walks away.
Our real societal problem is a lack of self discipline or self control.
The real blame for any kiling goes to the psychologists who told us to express our anger and all of our emotions: "Let it all hang out". So today we have mass shootings, road rage, and muffin tops.
The ugliest truth is the fact that we don't care much about our children. We'll have them killed before they are born if they are viewed as inconvenient in our lives. After we allow them to be born we warehouse them in human kennels a.k.a. daycare centers. Then we send them to government run indoctrination centers where they are taught to hate and envy because there is no god. Before kids hit puberty, schools are teaching them sexual propaganda and we stand around sratching our heads wondering why our adult children are developing into such awful dysfunctional parents.
Meantime the schools continue to teach reading with methods they have known do not work for more than 50 years.
Again, do not blame guns.
A gun can not make a conscious decision.
A gun cannot pull its own trigger.
The key to ending this kind of violence is as an entire society, gradually changing the way we treat and view ourselves.
For the past year, we have seen the results of our "Let It All Hang Out" indoctrination of our students by the trickle-down-leadership of the Springboro Education Association and president Mr. Scott Maney. Mr. Maney has led our students in all-out rebellion against the authority of our newly elected reform minded Springboro Board of Education elected officials; and the will of the voters in our school district by filing this latest law suit against all hard working Springboro families and taxpaying hoeowners, in Mr.Maney's legal efforts to take more money out of our household budgets and add more to the pockets of the Springbroo Education Association.
The voters of our community stand determined, through five failed unnecessary school levy requests from Mr. Maney; AND two cycles of free elections of new reform-minded board representatives; in the voter's determination to break the financially-dysfunctional cycle of continuous streams of levies, while reforming our budget and problem solving levy alternatives for our children's future; which by-the-way, IS the real REASON for the DIVISION of "union activists vs common sense voters" that we are seeing played out in some blogs and in our public school board meetings; spreading lies and false accusations against our hard working reform-minded BOE elected officials.
Stay Alert Voters! We cannot allow the status quo mantra of board member Don Miller and the Babb and Bowman babblers drown out the GOOD NEWS of our fiscally responsible reform-minded BOE members! It is time to celebrate the Achievements of our Successful children first budgeting board respresentatives, after just one year of hard work prioritizing our kids in every decision!
Isn't it time for our status quo board member Don Miller and his status quo community union activists to get on board with determined common sense voters? Isn't it time for SEA president, Mr. Maney, to stop wasting our money and time with his continuing season of "Silly Politics?"
Our Schools Our Money

Cincinnati, OH

#23407 Feb 12, 2013
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners need to speak up in appreciation of our reform-minded school board representatives and offer special thanks for their good work being accomplished by "accelerating student achievement through innovation and policy."

Should concerned citizens not speak up against the status quo leadership of SEA president Mr. Maney, respectfully asking Mr. Maney to offer due respect to Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners; who are committed to ensuring that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education, while keeping costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending?
Why doesn't Mr. Maney stop wasting taxpayers time and money and drop this law suit; and just respect the will of the people by cooperating with Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners,
who are faced with this big expense of school renewal levy coming up this November?

Before reform-minded board member Kelly Kohls was elected to the board, our district projected a $30 million deficit. Now, our district projects a $5 million surplus after replacing many things taken from the children during the levy campaigns.
Under the leadership of our current school board president, Kelly Kohls, our school district has now added many curriculum and safety measures for the children of our district. AND all of this without new money. WHAT CHANGED?
Our BOE president and reform minded board representatives have become much more efficient, our new board is holding people accountable and
making ALL decisions using what is good for education and ALL our children as FIRST priority.
Bad to the Core

Cincinnati, OH

#23408 Feb 12, 2013
Who wrote the article in the February 7, 2013, Star Press:
-Teachers union say no to beginning
contract negotitions?
-Without renegotiation, district will pay additional $11.3 million in costs
-The board's current financial forecast presents a balanced budget; however, it assumes no overall increases in payroll and no overall increase in medical insurance costs for the next five years.

Don't know much about legal rights of the Springboro Education Association; but based on this Star Press article, is it correct the SEA is suing already heavily tax-burdened Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners (who already pay generous salaries and great benefits to our school employees) for $11.3 million worth of increased taxes, so that our school employees can financially benefit?
Or, does this lawsuit against our Springboro community suggest that SEA president Mr. Maney is so reform-minded challenged, that he thinks the SEA can legally force down the throats of community wide voters, the union's out-dated tunnel vision of status quo for our children's education?
No More Status Quo

Cincinnati, OH

#23409 Feb 12, 2013
Bestowing the label of excellence on districts that do little to provide for students beyond basic proficiency helps no one. Even in elite, affluent suburbs, communities are lulled into complacent acceptance of the status quo even as their children perform at a level nowhere near excellent. This phenomenon is nicely explained by Jay Greene, coauthor of
When the Best Is Mediocre:

State accountability systems and the desire to rationalize the lack of quality options have encouraged the elites to compare their affluent suburban districts to the large urban ones in their state. These inappropriate comparisons have falsely reassured them that their own school districts are doing well. This false reassurance has also perhaps undermined the desire among the elites to engage in dramatic education reform. As long as the elites hold onto the belief that their own school districts are excellent, they have little desire to push for the kinds of significant systemic reforms that might improve their districts as well as the large urban districts. They may wish the urban districts well and hope matters improve, but their taste for bold reform is limited by a false contentment with their own situation.

Radio audiences laugh at the imaginary Lake Wobegon, where ALL students are above average, but Ohio has taken things to a level that some have described as Lake Wobegon on steroids, and the damage to the educational system is becoming evident. It is Time to take an honest look at state standards and to see how these “excellent” districts are truly performing. Parents, policymakers, and the general public no longer can afford to pretend that the emperor is clothed. It is time to take a look at the ugly, naked truth about the accountability system in Ohio.– www.oagc.com

Springfield, OH

#23410 Feb 12, 2013
start using ginkgo biloba wrote:
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Your memory isn't very good. The evening of Jan 10, there were speakers who spoke in favor of the concept of a conversion school for struggling and/or gifted students, ultimately for the benefit of this ENTIRE district.
Most of the rest of that 1/10 docket was filled with "those" parents whose concerns by and large are limited to that of the everyday welfare of their OWN children. It is unfortunate there are children in this district who are forced to have to deal with such myopic, closed-minded parents.
..."MY gifted child will NEVER set foot in any school that's run by NON-union teachers!"...
Funnier, was that so many people or should I say sheeple clapped like fools to that statement. So we know exactly who was in the audience, don't we. A room full of union thugs acting like thugs does not make for "the whole community". DUHHHH
I was there and I saw who they were they were union reps. clapping with their whole bodies, disgusting.

Springfield, OH

#23411 Feb 12, 2013
Wow this one is so cool.

Look at spending and then look at math, English, Science , SAT scores. OMG. Why didn't someone tell me we were being lied to? Someone was taking all the money and telling us lies about how well our kids were doing.Oh ya they did and the whole Community" shouted them down. The whole community should shut, up and sit down and get schooled.

Here is the chart: http://www.cato.org/blog/public-school-spendi...

Springfield, OH

#23412 Feb 12, 2013
I bet you won't see these charts on D Bowmans blog. He is only going to be a cheerleader for mediocrity.

Cleveland, OH

#23413 Feb 12, 2013
No More Status Quo wrote:
Radio audiences laugh at the imaginary Lake Wobegon, where ALL students are above average, but Ohio has taken things to a level that some have described as Lake Wobegon on steroids, and the damage to the educational system is becoming evident.
Even the quite liberal, quite funny Mr. Garrison Keillor probably wouldn't see much sanity in the current state of Ohio's public schools where 60%+ of the school districts are rated "above average" (a.k.a. excellent / excellent w/distiction). At the same time Ohio can't keep it's businesses from closing or being offshored, so it's tougher to keep young people from moving to up-and-coming places, like Minnesota.

Dayton, OH

#23414 Feb 12, 2013
So much gloom and doom on this thread...

I wanted to check out topix due to a co-worker mentioning it. It seems like four or five people relentlessly bickering.
Blah vs Common Sense

Cincinnati, OH

#23415 Feb 12, 2013
So exactly why are the Boro Blah blabbers so strongly oppossing the leadership of our BOE
majority's common sense agenda of children first budgeting?
As stated in an earlier post on this blog, before Kelly Kohls got on this school board our district projected a $30 million deficit. Now, we project a $5 million surplus after replacing many things taken from the children during the levy campaigns. We have now added many curriculum and safety measures for the children of our district. All of this without new money. What changed? Our new BOE majority have become much more efficient, holding people accountable, and making all decisions using what is good for education and our children as first priority.

Now, WHY would anyone oppose the board's decisions doing what is good for education and our children first?

There are embedded organized units that desperately need to prove that our reform-minded board members are wrong and that more money is imperative, because they see a collapse of their SYSTEM if it is proven that it is not about the
money after all. IF the money stops, then this organized opposition is no longer necessary and no longer maintains control of education and more importantly, THE MONEY. Do you understand?
Blah vs Common Sense

Cincinnati, OH

#23416 Feb 12, 2013
It is very important that common sense voters fully understand the “Three Fold Purpose” of those who oppose the leadership of our reform minded BOE majority representatives.

FIRST – Their hope is that if they fill you with enough negative sound bites, vastly untrue, you will think of this board as ineffective and will not vote to maintain the kids first philosophy.(Now we all know that WE are smarter than that).

SECOND – Maintain the appearance of the necessity to membership. They must prove their worth to membership.(I certainly would no longer pay for a membership if I did not see the value.)

THIRD – An unprofessional need to discredit comes from a lack of facts to back their positions. A need to portray a VICTIM so that citizens can feel empowered to be “Hero” and vote against their common sense convictions. Keep the pressure on so your opponents give up. All play on emotion rather than providing proof or data on positions. A good distraction to be sure, but hopefully, ineffective in Springboro.

PLEASE read the real truth and not some paid blogger bad mouthing this board because, clearly, they think of the kids first. Our adults have representation with their unions. This board IS making sure there are
no victims here as there were in the past, OUR KIDS!

In the past, if districts ran short of money a cookbook of pressure techniques were used to get the levy passed. This board has proven that these tactics hurt the kids and they were unnecessary. That can’t stand if the agenda is control and money driven. Do you understand?
Grapevine Schooling

Cincinnati, OH

#23417 Feb 13, 2013
Schooling wrote:
I bet you won't see these charts on D Bowmans blog. He is only going to be a cheerleader for mediocrity.
At least on this blog, all have rights to post comments or state personal opinions; however, we all have responsibility of presenting a fair and balanced view. Fair and Balanced are two common sense "personal opinions" that bad Babb for Boro, and her bitter Bowman paid community union activist, do not allow in the bully pulpit of the SEA pep squad rallying for status quo.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners are desperate for our SEA community activists to show cooperation and mutual respect for all school board representatives and school district voters. Contrary to this,(even after the voters sent a clear message in the 2011 local BOE elections) our SEA president Mr. Maney, is relentless in pursuing his smear campaign against those who oppose his continuing bad Babb for Boro campaign for greater union empowerment, over our children first budgeting BOE majority and our kids' classroom teachers.

Our new board has effectively proved that it does not take more money; it takes accountability. Today our schools enjoy Excellent with Distrinction, Blue Ribbon award, Increased ACT scores, Reduced Remedial rates. This should be celebrated! And we should celebrate that we, as a school district working together, CAN and WILL do more for our children's future; by standing firm in support of our school board representatives and school district leaders district who cooperate with and respect the "Winning Formula" of our children first budgeting philosophy. Our school district and our kids are Winners when every child in our community has opportunity to become all that individual potential allows; NOT because we have the highest "head count for dollars" sitting in our public schools classrooms receiving OEA indoctrination by "a union teacher."
Worth Remembering

Cincinnati, OH

#23418 Feb 13, 2013
Due U Know wrote:
During 2012 property values in our school district went down; but our personal property taxes increased because of a MRDD levy; Clearcreek Twp government collected MORE taxes from homewoners than the government needed; but refused to give homeowners a tax holiday in 2013; but instead spent over $10,000 to conduct a community survey of "customer satisfaction" with the manner in which the Clearcreek Twp government spends our tax dollars; so that the customer satisfaction survey could be promoted to prove that voters in Springboro/Clearcreek Twp wants a fire levy on the 2013 ballot.
Due U Know that the only thing proven by our local government actions is EXCESSIVE SPENDING and we all know that EXCESSIVE SPENDING proves the words of Ronald Reagan to be true:
"Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
Again, isn't the only thing proven by this silly SEA legal action against Springboro board representatives/community members is the EXCESSIVE SPENDING of our hard earned tax dollars that the union collects from our classroom teachers; and then uses our kids school tax dollars to line the pockets of teachers union lawyers, like Mr. Doll, who is both a union lawyer and a Centerville school board representative.
tit for tat

Cleveland, OH

#23419 Feb 13, 2013
Blah wrote:
So much gloom and doom on this thread...
I wanted to check out topix due to a co-worker mentioning it. It seems like four or five people relentlessly bickering.
This is the yin for the yang we all get to witness every two weeks in the form of bad for boro union b####ches in the boardroom selfishness.
The Duke of Hazard

Bryan, OH

#23420 Feb 13, 2013
I'd give a tat for a tit!
Good News

Cincinnati, OH

#23421 Feb 13, 2013
tit for tat wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the yin for the yang we all get to witness every two weeks in the form of bad for boro union b####ches in the boardroom selfishness.
Those attending school board meetings and watching the TV broadcasts can be encouraged that our BOE does listen to what we have to say! Check on the school website to find BOE briefings on changing the structure of our board meetings, now holding the business meeting first in the LGI room; and the work session in the media room afterwards. The public will still get to participate in both sessions. But, the work sessions may not be so drawn out; since the agenda items presented will not be voted on the same night; but two weeks later at following regularly scheduled business meeting.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23422 Feb 13, 2013

We watched high school principal Dennis Prager of Colorado, along with Sara Palin and Tom Brokaw, on TV a couple of weeks ago....what a dynamic, down to earth speaker. Even though Palin and Brokaw were also guest speakers they did little but nod and agree with him. This is the guy that should be running for President in 2016!

A Speech Every American High School Principal Should Give.
By Dennis Prager .

To the students and faculty of our high school:

I am your new principal, and honored to be so.
There is no greater calling than to teach young people.

I would like to apprise you of some important changes coming to our school. I am making these changes because I am convinced that most of the ideas that have dominated public education in America have worked against you, against your teachers and against our country.

First, this school will no longer honor race or ethnicity.
I could not care less if your racial makeup is black, brown, red, yellow or white. I could not care less if your origins are African, Latin American, Asian or European, or if your ancestors arrived here on the Mayflower or on slave ships. The only identity I care about, the only one this school will recognize, is your individual identity -- your character, your scholarship, your humanity. And the only national identity this school will care about is American.

This is an American public school, and American public schools were created to make better Americans. If you wish to affirm an ethnic, racial or religious identity through school, you will have to go elsewhere. We will end all ethnicity, race and non-American nationality-based celebrations. They undermine the motto of America, one of its three central values -- epluribus Unum, "from many, one."
And this school will be guided by America's values. This includes all after-school clubs. I will not authorize clubs that divide students based on any identities. This includes race, language, religion, sexual orientation or whatever else may become in vogue in a society divided by political correctness.

Your clubs will be based on interests and passions, not blood, ethnic, racial or other physically defined ties. Those clubs just cultivate narcissism -- an unhealthy preoccupation with the self -- while the purpose of education is to get you to think beyond yourself. So we will have clubs that transport you to the wonders and glories of art, music, astronomy, languages you do not already speak, carpentry and more. If the only extracurricular activities you can imagine being interested in are those based on ethnic, racial or sexual identity, that means that little outside of yourself really interests you.

Second, I am uninterested in whether English is your native language.
My only interest in terms of language is that you leave this school speaking and writing English as fluently as possible. The English language has united America's citizens for over 200 years, and it will unite us at this school. It is one of the indispensable reasons this country of immigrants has always come to be one country. And if you leave this school without excellent English language skills, I would be remiss in my duty to ensure that you will be prepared to successfully compete in the American job market. We will learn other languages here -- it is deplorable that most Americans only speak English -- but if you want classes taught in your native language rather than in English, this is not your school.

Third, because I regard learning as a sacred endeavor, everything in this school will reflect learning's elevated status. This means, among other things, that you and your teachers will dress accordingly. Many people in our society dress more formally for Hollywood events than for church or school. These people have their priorities backward. Therefore, there will be a formal dress code at this school.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23423 Feb 13, 2013
Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f -word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "N...gger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "B...tch," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.

Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight.

Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue... There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately fortunate -- to be alive and to be an American.
Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23424 Feb 13, 2013
Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host suggesting a few things for Americans.
Common sense stuff, but seemingly lost today.

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