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Fly Swat

Piqua, OH

#23341 Feb 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
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You don't speak for me!
pesky little flies, nasty little droppings,
swat, swat.
reality

Girard, OH

#23342 Feb 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
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You don't speak for me!
(note to self)..."Get Real" elects to sympathize with the words and actions of union activists, and bullies.
right back at ya

Girard, OH

#23343 Feb 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
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This is an old article, and not really worth repeating. But a question remains. If the board is truly looking out for the students' best interest then they would identify what needs there are and then try to fill those needs with the conversion school (or come up with some other approach). However, this board is looking first at the financial end of things, figuring out if we can afford the converstion school and then if we can't scrapping the whole idea. So I ask you, how is that putting children's education first?
Are you making the assumption that the prime motivator for our board's request to enter into contract negotiations with the union is to free up money in order to begin a conversion school in Springboro?
No OEA Indoctrination

Piqua, OH

#23344 Feb 4, 2013
no budget wrote:
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Someone has a great sense of humor. I will rebut your comments here;
See # 1 Springboro is blessed with the bast of the best parents. Education indoctrination and bullies have taken parent responsibility away and said never mind I will take your child. Examples= the 365 policy, preschool truancy laws.
#2 Bashing the union isn't helping the students", yes it does because we can identify the problem and that is the first step toward fixing education.
3. Keep the test we have now just make sure it is traditional math, traditional History, Traditional science and so on. We have revised all of these faster than we have revised the tests.
5. Yes funded with the $50 million we currently have. We have the money to teach we don't have the money to waste. Teaching kids is why we all pay property taxes State taxes and federal taxes, not to make some adults more comfortable.
#6 basically, no budget". Funny. So the $50 million or so is "no budget". I think this community has been enormously generous.
7. That "Village" is part of the let me raise your kid government spouts. This village is not raising my kids, I am. "It takes a Village" is a union stand so they can be the village taking responsibility away from parents. The village needs to get out of our home, they are just creepy.
Where is education? Education is a business that is paid well to educate kids it is not a charity, the complaints are that they are not doing what they are being paid to do. What happens in business if the client or customer does not like the job the business they hired is doing? They get fired and the client chooses another business. Parents need to be able to chose another business of education. There I just solved the whole problem of uninvolved parents. If the business they chose does not preform it is their duty to pick another. If the child does not learn than it is the fault of the parent because they did not pick the right school for their kid.
Just say No to the village.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23345 Feb 4, 2013
Get Real wrote:
<quoted text>
This is an old article, and not really worth repeating. But a question remains. If the board is truly looking out for the students' best interest then they would identify what needs there are and then try to fill those needs with the conversion school (or come up with some other approach). However, this board is looking first at the financial end of things, figuring out if we can afford the converstion school and then if we can't scrapping the whole idea. So I ask you, how is that putting children's education first?
One only has so many resources at their disposal. Not having enough to make it work correctly would seem to doom the concept. Unlike the Feds, we can't just print more money, we have to work within the constraints of the budget we have.

A private tutor for every child for every subject would be ideal, unfortunately we don't have that kind of money to expend.

You simply must live within your means and maximize every resource you can afford.
longhauler

Girard, OH

#23346 Feb 4, 2013
How about saying yes to David Petroni's leadership as president of the Springboro BOE?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23347 Feb 4, 2013
Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test

Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.

Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.

Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
Genius

Girard, OH

#23348 Feb 4, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test
Reading
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Reading.
Springboro had 88 students out of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
Math
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%
If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in Math.
Springboro had 40 students our of 380 students taking the Ohio Graduation test fall in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.
They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
Mark Witsken is my hero! Sycammore Trails is the place to be ladies and gents! All the righteous ones hang here. And Kudos to lady Hurley too.
GED

Girard, OH

#23349 Feb 4, 2013
Genius wrote:
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Mark Witsken is my hero! Sycammore Trails is the place to be ladies and gents! All the righteous ones hang here. And Kudos to lady Hurley too.
Unlike you, I'm thinking either one of those people are capable of accurately spelling the name of the street on which they live.
OH NO

Yellow Springs, OH

#23350 Feb 5, 2013
reality wrote:
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Tiff, It's good to have you back. You are 100% correct in one regard. No one in their right mind takes down someone else's children as part of an overall ad hominem attack on one of their parents.
Regarding your perception of "bully" and /or "union activist", I'm quite confident I can speak for the majority of Springboro when I state that you most certainly are in need of a check-up from the neck-up.
Hey reality, you don't speak for me and you really don't speak for the majority of Springboro. Keep dreaming!!! I love your post Tiffany! Your comments are right on!! Your children are wonderful!

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Girard, OH

#23351 Feb 5, 2013
OH NO wrote:
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Hey reality, you don't speak for me and you really don't speak for the majority of Springboro. Keep dreaming!!! I love your post Tiffany! Your comments are right on!! Your children are wonderful!
All hail Tiffany's wonderful children!
Fly Swat

Piqua, OH

#23352 Feb 5, 2013
longhauler wrote:
How about saying yes to David Petroni's leadership as president of the Springboro BOE?
pesky little fly, leaving bitter droppings of ignorant
ridicule. swat, swat.
Proper Perspective

Piqua, OH

#23353 Feb 5, 2013
OH NO wrote:
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Hey reality, you don't speak for me and you really don't speak for the majority of Springboro. Keep dreaming!!! I love your post Tiffany! Your comments are right on!! Your children are wonderful!
"We are all something, but none of us are everything."
Blaise Pascal
Reality

Springboro, OH

#23354 Feb 5, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Let me know when anyone wants to see the 2012 report card?
While all of these little weasel attacks on one another seem to be great fun for none and all, they fail to address the systemic issues we have within our educational system that allows us to pass on 2000 plus students a year who simply aren't getting the education the taxpayer's are funding.
Perhaps some of the union members have solutions to these problems that fit within the constraints of our physical, fiscal, and cultural issues.
Someone on here keeps asking you to identify what groups of students a charter or conversion school would help. Please put up district proficiency scores again and please show how district special ed and gifted students did not make Average Yearly Progress AYP two years ago. Nothing has changed so I'll bet they just barely made progress this year. Show them how poorly this district ranks on the US News report because not enough AP courses and poor scores on them. Go ahead show them again and again. I don't understand the statements "Springboro is already fabulous and perfect and does not need any changes-Ignores the data and the truth."
Those people that stand up at the podium should just get informed first before they grandstand and are embarrassed by their own ignorance. Do they know they have a lot of egg on their faces when the rest of us watch the video? Stephanie Bindemann, Spencer Smith, David Bowman, Linda Bowman, Judy Miller, Jonelle Cripe, Lisa Babb, Tiffany Carlisle, Mike Webber, Amy Walker, Lynn Greenberg. Great performances but no prize. Did any of you ask questions before you got up on stage and camera? I bet not. Did any of you see the data about Springboro before you got your 5 minutes of fame. You are but vessels. Are you denying that Springboro has room to improve?
Please, Just Watching, for these people, print the proficient cut scores and how many of our students get D's and below on the State standardized tests and see if they can still look parents in the face and say "we are so great you don't need to worry". "We need you to stop paying attention because if we are great we don't need to change and lord knows we don't want to rock our gravy train to improve. For a population with 40% gifted students why would this district have one in 7 needing remedial courses to get in to college? If almost half are gifted are the rest just that deficient? If 40% at the top and 45% in the middle that means that at least 15% can't get into college, At Springboro, really?
Go to the facebook postings of these people and see what they are really about. They claim to be at WAR with this board not trying to improve, not trying to make things better for the kids but at war. WHY? See which ones are paid by the teachers union and which ones currently work for and are members of the teachers union. Follow the money.
A concerned parent? Paychecks tell the truth. Let's see yours.
Who helped and funded your campaign? Where does your spouse work now?
redundant but necessary

Girard, OH

#23355 Feb 5, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Please, Just Watching, for these people, print the proficient cut scores and how many of our students get D's and below on the State standardized tests and see if they can still look parents in the face and say "we are so great you don't need to worry". "We need you to stop paying attention because if we are great we don't need to change and lord knows we don't want to rock our gravy train to improve.
See page 12 for key
http://www.oagc.com/files/OAGC_Grading_On_A_C...

6th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(This represents Springboro Class of ’17)

READING
Advanced.......76%-100%
Accelerated.....61%-75%
Proficient.........35%-60%

If a student was able to answer 17 out of 49 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.
In 6th grade READING, Springboro had 172 students out of 502 students (34%) fall in the Proficient or below category
______
MATH
Advanced.......68%-100%
Accelerated....58%-67%
Proficient........40%-57%

If a student was able to answer 20 out of 50 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.
In 6th grade MATH, Springboro had 127 students our of 502 students ( 25%) falling the Proficient or below category

__________

7th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(This is Springboro’s Class of ’16)

READING
Advanced 81%-100%
Accelerated 66%-80%
Proficient 45%-65%(45%=Proficient)

In 7th grade READING, Springboro had 172 students out of 413 students (42%) fall in the Proficient or below category
_____
MATH
Advanced 72%-100%
Accelerated 58%-71%
Proficient 32%-57%(32%=Proficient)

In 7th grade MATH, Springboro had 140 students out of 413 students (34%) fall in the Proficient or below categories.

8th grade 2011 OAA Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands
(Springboro Class of ’15)

READING
Advanced.......83%-100%
Accelerated.....71%-82%
Proficient.........48%-70%

If a student was able to answer 23 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.
In 8th grade READING, Springboro had 136 students out of 443 students (31%) fall in the Proficient or below category.

MATH
Advanced.......78%-100%
Accelerated....61%-77%
Proficient........35%-60%

If a student was able to answer 16 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.
In 8th grade MATH, Springboro had 203 students out of 443 students (46%) fall the Proficient or below category.
__________

Ohio Graduation Test Cut Scores and Scoring Bands on the 2012 test

READING
Advanced.......79%-100%
Accelerated.....63.5%-78%
Proficient.........40.6%-63.4%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 48 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in READING.

Of the 380 Springboro sophomores who took the READING portion of the Ohio Graduation Test, 88 students (23%) fell in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

MATH
Advanced.......75%-100%
Accelerated....61%-74%
Proficient........42%-60%

If a student was able to answer 19.5 out of 46 questions correctly they were deemed Proficient in MATH.

Of the 380 Springboro sophomores who took the MATH portion of the Ohio Graduation Test, 40 students (10%) fell in the Proficient or below category. This test is taken in the spring of their sophomore year and measures what they have learned in grades 1-9.

They further REDUCED the number of questions correct that you needed to reach the various achievement levels down a question from the 2011 already low levels.
All knowing

Springboro, OH

#23357 Feb 6, 2013
Fly Swat wrote:
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pesky little fly, leaving bitter droppings of ignorant
ridicule. swat, swat.
I don't know what this means.

I think Obama is on here talking to Americans he wants to squash.
All knowing

Springboro, OH

#23358 Feb 6, 2013
Fly Swat wrote:
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pesky little fly, leaving bitter droppings of ignorant
ridicule. swat, swat.
Trying to figure out what all of your fly swatting nonsense means. Maybe you are eating fly droppings and they make you hallucinate?
All knowing

Springboro, OH

#23359 Feb 6, 2013
Get Real wrote:
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This is an old article, and not really worth repeating. But a question remains. If the board is truly looking out for the students' best interest then they would identify what needs there are and then try to fill those needs with the conversion school (or come up with some other approach). However, this board is looking first at the financial end of things, figuring out if we can afford the converstion school and then if we can't scrapping the whole idea. So I ask you, how is that putting children's education first?
Please please join the conversations. Gifted students not getting enough services, special ed not getting enough services, the number of students that are getting D's and below (Proficient) very high. The question is why stop with one school? If it will help why not make all of our schools conversion schools. It appears that all of our students need something other than this traditional system. This system is not working for the smart kids we have here in Springboro and these parents should know it.
Once the parents know what Proficient really means they will be angry and blame the school district. Oh I just now got it, this is why the Babb and group does not want us to talk about it anymore. They know that any investigation will reveal that all of our students would benefit from an alternative or charter school. I get it now.

They don't want parents to know the truth about academics just like they did not want parents to know the truth about not needing the levy money. Good try but Tabling the subject just gave the board more time to educate the public about your big fat lies.
Facts vs Opinions

Piqua, OH

#23360 Feb 6, 2013
The facts have been presented clearly. In the best interest of our children's future, we need strong leadership on the board to bring back basic common sense to our children's classroom education; and no OEA political indoctrination.

The strong opposition to our children first budgeting is coming from a few union activists who are so into their own lives of community activisim for political gain, that they don't see what is going on with others whom they consider "are not one of their own."

The passion of our union/community activists for the status-quo present means embracing our "has been excellent with distinction" rating and trusting that it is enough. The bad news is that if we are in a good place right now, it won't last forever.

The good news to Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners from our common sense BOE majority leadership is "don't let where you are become a prophesy of where you're going to stay." How fortunate our school children and community are to have the leadership expertise and financial resources needed to broaden our vision for our children's future, stretching status quo tunnel vision beyond the union/community activists comfort zone.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23361 Feb 6, 2013
I enjoyed reading in the paper today that the union lawyer, who also happens to be a Centerville School Board member (and you think we have conflicts of interest), says bargaining in public is evil.

If GM and the UAW want to bargain in private that is their business, after all, it is private money they are haggling over (or used to be anyway).

Teacher's unions and School Boards, however, are haggling over PUBLIC MONEY!

I do not wish to see us go down the same road as California. It is in the Golden State that unions elect officials to aid them in pillaging the public coffers. So many municipalities are headed towards unsustainable debt as a result of these "negotiations" being held in private. Years later, when the hens come home to roost, the people of that fine state are learning just how advantageous those negotiations were for the unions. The people paying the tab were kept in the dark and sent the bill.

Only cockroaches and union lawyers like the dark, hold the meetings in the sunshine that everyone around here so fervently supports.

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