Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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PSEO

Springboro, OH

#23240 Jan 31, 2013
Now What wrote:
Now that we all have read the Grading on a Curve document that everyone is pasting on here - what are you suggesting we do? What recommendations are you making to improve Springboro school district? Are the common core standards going to get us where you think we should be?
There has been posting after posting about the cut scores and how bad Springboro is doing but I've seen no specifics from anyone as to how to improve.
Why do I constantly hear from this district that we are only teaching to the test? It looks like we are not doing that well. It is not good to use common core because Obama and the feds pick content. If you don't teach that content you won't score well on these standardized tests. I don't want Obama telling my kids what they have to learn and then testing them on the revisionist history and the socialist ideology. I don't think any of us are looking at the test of the future but, I want to know if the questions are such as.

Identify the bad guy in this story
A. Capitalist that employs 100 employees
B. A nonprofit worker working with government grants
C. A firefighter working to get me reelected
D. A Congressman outlawing all guns to reduce crime.
What is the answer?
This is Common Core. Federal "standards" for what is taught.

Everyone/anyone that write the standardized tests rewrites history because every public school will comply to do "well" on the test. Schools will always teach to the revised test. The current Standardized tests are fine we just need to teach the content contained in them and not use the textbooks that do not comply. Textbooks today have been revised to test on how socialist you child has become. I think we are all doing our teachers a disservice when we test what they have not taught because the content they are teaching does not match the test-course content has been revised but the tests are traditional. Please teach to the test, forget the revisions that have been put in place to indoctrinate our kids, go back to traditional education content and stop trying to make our kids little socialists that tolerate all points of view on history, you are making them confused. We have but one history and one reason for that history. Christianity.
See Hillsdale Charter schools
Think about it

Springboro, OH

#23241 Jan 31, 2013
This government and many before them have been on a power trip to become kings and to do what they have to to convince us that they are our saviors and that we are not responsible for our own behavior. If we "tolerate" all opinions than we really have none of our own, we accept all. There is a clear right and wrong if you read the bible. If we accept/tolerate all, we don't believe that the bible teaches us how to act and how to believe, the government does, right?
Our kids are taught not to bully but that has become more of a technique to tell them that their opinion and stand should not be asserted. They can get detention for standing up to a teacher for what is an opinion taught to them by their parents and church. The teacher can say NO, you have to tolerate the atheist opinion and respect their personhood. Kid gets confused and thinks that maybe they are right I don't want to be a bully, maybe being an atheist is OK and I should think about being one and let Government guide my behavior. After if it is not illegal it is OK, right? Premarital sex is legal. Kids believe they have to tolerate others fro doing it because it is legal and they may be a bully if they tell someone it is not OK.
no budget

Springboro, OH

#23242 Jan 31, 2013
Now What wrote:
Just Watching, you certainly like to write your thoughts but as usual there is actually no plan in what you wrote. No specifics, how is any of this going to be accomplished (especially with no budget).
1) Good ideas – how are they accomplished? Should we have more parent-teacher conferences? Better websites for classes/teachers/subjects? How do you make parents better parents?
2) I don’t know anyone that would say “all teachers are great/excellent” although from your point #1 –“It involves the parents backing up and supporting the teachers at home”. Good point. Whether you like the teacher or not, you need to help your students at home. FYI, bashing the unions isn’t helping the students.
3) How is this done? Do we use different tests? Do we test prior to the State tests to make sure we are doing better? This is a good idea but again, how do you do it? Who will be the one to identify what standards need to be raise and how it can be accomplished. I’m looking for specifics, not generalities.
4) What are you suggesting that the students spend more time on their math tables – maybe a good idea. What else? FYI, 70% of students are not in the Honor Society (it’s closer to about 10%).
5) I agree. What environments are you suggesting? STEM, Arts, Language, hands-on learning? Who identifies these learning environments and how are they funded, taught, etc.?
6) Again – lots of pretty words with absolutely no beef behind it. If you want to use your words for good then come up with specific things that this school can do (with basically no budget to do it).
7) Takes a village!
Someone has a great sense of humor. I will rebut your comments here;
See # 1 Springboro is blessed with the bast of the best parents. Education indoctrination and bullies have taken parent responsibility away and said never mind I will take your child. Examples= the 365 policy, preschool truancy laws.

#2 Bashing the union isn't helping the students", yes it does because we can identify the problem and that is the first step toward fixing education.

3. Keep the test we have now just make sure it is traditional math, traditional History, Traditional science and so on. We have revised all of these faster than we have revised the tests.

5. Yes funded with the $50 million we currently have. We have the money to teach we don't have the money to waste. Teaching kids is why we all pay property taxes State taxes and federal taxes, not to make some adults more comfortable.

#6 basically, no budget". Funny. So the $50 million or so is "no budget". I think this community has been enormously generous.

7. That "Village" is part of the let me raise your kid government spouts. This village is not raising my kids, I am. "It takes a Village" is a union stand so they can be the village taking responsibility away from parents. The village needs to get out of our home, they are just creepy.
Where is education? Education is a business that is paid well to educate kids it is not a charity, the complaints are that they are not doing what they are being paid to do. What happens in business if the client or customer does not like the job the business they hired is doing? They get fired and the client chooses another business. Parents need to be able to chose another business of education. There I just solved the whole problem of uninvolved parents. If the business they chose does not preform it is their duty to pick another. If the child does not learn than it is the fault of the parent because they did not pick the right school for their kid.
seek Truth

Springboro, OH

#23243 Jan 31, 2013
Inquiring Minds wrote:
The worst part of this indoctrination dictate is that it involves a captive audience that lacks the knowledge and power to challenge what they are being brainwashed to believe. The OEA does not even attempt to be responsible about its desire to create a Union Youth---they encourage teachers to aim this message at children as young as the 4th grade. The OEA approvingly recommends a website that “aims to inform children (grades 4-7) on current news and world events from a progressive perspective, and to inspire a passion for social justice and learning.
Sounds like the "FREE" Channel one. Channel One programing was 100% socialist indoctrination. This was brought to Springboro by one of its union reps and bought hook line and sinker. Thank GOD the BOE got rid of it.
Seek and you shall find more people. Many employees are in on it.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23244 Jan 31, 2013
Eye on the prize folks.

2000 plus kids not getting it in Springboro Schools as demonstrated by their test scores on the state achievement tests

That amounts to 37% of the children enrolled are getting failing grades on the dumbed down state assessment test.

If we cannot provide 3/8 of the students flowing through our system the basics in reading and math, what does that say about that system?

Might be time to retool.
Waste Watchers

Piqua, OH

#23245 Jan 31, 2013
hey Don wrote:
<quoted text>
All members of this community were given equal opportunity to voice their opinions either pre-planned or in response to agenda items. A list of 15 pre-planned speakers had been completely filled up by mid-morning of that day, so many, that each speaker was limited to 2 minutes. Put yourself in the shoes of the board members. There was NO WAY Kohls could allow that meeting to dissolve into an incomprehensible two-way argument.
If you are a parent and you're not getting the answers you're looking for regarding conversion schools, first of all I suggest that you separate yourself from those within this district who attach themselves to a collective agenda that doesn't wholly and equally support the futures of...ALL...Springboro school students.
Mr. Miller has now attached himself to Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council whose members (including levy ladies Babb, Carlisle, Jobe) embrace Mr. Miller's tunnel vision of a collective agenda that doesn't wholly and equally support the futures of All Springboro school students. Mr. Miller and the levy ladies of Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council oppose and protest against our BOE majority elected officials who were chosen by our school district voters to implement our children first budgeting plan; which Mr. Miller continues to oppose and votes against our children's first best interest.
Isn't it time for board member Don Miller to step aside (due to his personal conflict of interests with our BOE majority's new philosophy of "children first budgeting" which is adopted by our school board's five-year budget forecast approval?)
Isn't it time for the levy ladies of Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council members to stop wasting the time of our highly paid school superintendent with their continuing Babb for Boro failed political campaign against the winning agenda of our children first budgeting school board representatives?
Worth Repeating

Piqua, OH

#23246 Jan 31, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
I thought Mr. Webber gave a fine speech, he presents well to the public and made some impassioned pleas that seemed to resonate with the home crowd.
The one thing that appeared to be lacking in all of the pro Babb speakers was any concern for the 2000 plus kids in our district who just aren't getting it academically as well as the speakers' children.
I never heard word one from anyone that their child who wasn't getting everything from their education in our school district. All of the men and women who spoke had children in the gifted program that were doing great.
They expounded relentlessly how wonderful their children were doing and what great teachers their kids have enjoyed.
But not a word for the 2000 plus children who are struggling academically in this school district each year. Get out the school report card and do the math, 2000 plus kids would nearly fill our gym at a basketball game.
Where were the pleas for those 2000 plus children?
Instead we have a group of speakers imploring the district to maintain the status quo, a place where their children get the attention.
Self serving?
Perhaps just a bit.
Concern about others?
Not in the least.
hey don, will you please concede to the people's will and admit that your Babb for Boro November 2011 campaign failed; and will you please stop wasting taxpayers time and money with your continued protests against a free election;
Will you please resign your status quo leadership position of just "sitting" on the board, year after year, protesting all changes for the good of all our students;
offering nothing in service to our schools and community except your time and money wasting protests against doing what's right; and offering only your whines and longings for keeping our kids left behind, just like during the long ago forgotten glory days of the good ole boys BOE pro-union rule in our schools and community.
Will you step up to honor the voter's trust in you as a board representative to finally do the right thing?
Will you please resign and join our former "has been a BOE president" as one who simply does not agree with the new direction of our BOE majority; in whom our school district voters have placed our trust to assure every child in our community a quality education, while living within our community financial resources.
you are kidding

Dayton, OH

#23247 Jan 31, 2013
Waste Watchers wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Miller has now attached himself to Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council whose members (including levy ladies Babb, Carlisle, Jobe) embrace Mr. Miller's tunnel vision of a collective agenda that doesn't wholly and equally support the futures of All Springboro school students. Mr. Miller and the levy ladies of Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council oppose and protest against our BOE majority elected officials who were chosen by our school district voters to implement our children first budgeting plan; which Mr. Miller continues to oppose and votes against our children's first best interest.
Isn't it time for board member Don Miller to step aside (due to his personal conflict of interests with our BOE majority's new philosophy of "children first budgeting" which is adopted by our school board's five-year budget forecast approval?)
Isn't it time for the levy ladies of Mr. Petrey's District Parent Council members to stop wasting the time of our highly paid school superintendent with their continuing Babb for Boro failed political campaign against the winning agenda of our children first budgeting school board representatives?
levy "ladies" ? Babb, Carlisle, Jobe ?....you must have low standards..they are not ladies, but B*****S.
Why no answers

Brunswick, OH

#23248 Jan 31, 2013
How Many kids took the college courses in 2012?
Open your eyes

Chicago, IL

#23249 Jan 31, 2013
PSEO wrote:
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Is this why the high school never pushed PSEO?
Never mind the kids needs we have staff to keep employed.
The school started notifying everyone via the daily updates online as of Tuesday. The meeting will be Wednesday February 13, consider yourself informed.
First Time

Lebanon, OH

#23250 Jan 31, 2013
Open your eyes wrote:
<quoted text>The school started notifying everyone via the daily updates online as of Tuesday. The meeting will be Wednesday February 13, consider yourself informed.
First time I even ever heard of the program. I talked to a few friends with kids in high school and junior high and they said they had never heard of it either. If you can save that kind of money you would think they would be all over it letting the parents know. If the meeting is in two weeks where is it to be held? Who is speaking about what? Thanks for letting us know, but do you have any more information?
Check your facts

Girard, OH

#23251 Jan 31, 2013
First Time wrote:
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First time I even ever heard of the program. I talked to a few friends with kids in high school and junior high and they said they had never heard of it either. If you can save that kind of money you would think they would be all over it letting the parents know. If the meeting is in two weeks where is it to be held? Who is speaking about what? Thanks for letting us know, but do you have any more information?
It's in board policy, it's in the student handbook, there is a meeting held annually. Take responsibility for your kid's education and don't expect that the district should spoon feed you information.
Open your eyes

Chicago, IL

#23252 Jan 31, 2013
First Time wrote:
<quoted text>
First time I even ever heard of the program. I talked to a few friends with kids in high school and junior high and they said they had never heard of it either. If you can save that kind of money you would think they would be all over it letting the parents know. If the meeting is in two weeks where is it to be held? Who is speaking about what? Thanks for letting us know, but do you have any more information?
Do you have high schoolers? Do you subscribe to the high school principals updates that are sent out daily? That is the only place that I have seen it, other than having friends with kids that have already gone through it. February 13 6 pm in the hs auditorium.
Just Because

Piqua, OH

#23253 Jan 31, 2013
It's time for our fearful ones to stop clinging to "status quo" failed practices of the past; just because we've always practiced past failures. We have a new practice of doing education in the best interest of each individual student under new elected-leadership majority of reform-minded BOE representatives.
Hooray for us! Our school district voters have broken that OSBA/OEA tunnel vision which promotes continuous streams of new school taxes; holding parents hostage over things like increased fees and threats of "brain drain" caused our community by our classroom teachers "walking out” on our Springboro students; IF self-interest demands of grand-standing union activists aren't met.
School districts voters have failed five new money school levy requests;and have voted into elected office school board representatives who support "Levy Alternatives/Budget Reform"... FIRST, before coming to heavily-taxed-burdened homeowners for new money. Our new BOE majority is doing what’s right for our school children and our community! How fortunate are we to hear at the January 22 public school board meeting, from our school district CFO report, that our school finances are in good shape and right where we expected to be! How grateful we are to our BOE budget and finance committee for their amazing achievements during 2012, as we offer continued support throughout greater challenges of the new year.
Our school district’s new philosophy of our reform-minded BOE majority is the right choice for our children's future;and the right way to keep Our Springboro Schools and Our Springboro Community as a whole ...GROWING STRONG.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#23254 Jan 31, 2013
Just Because wrote:
It's time for our fearful ones to stop clinging to "status quo" failed practices of the past; just because we've always practiced past failures. We have a new practice of doing education in the best interest of each individual student under new elected-leadership majority of reform-minded BOE representatives.
Hooray for us! Our school district voters have broken that OSBA/OEA tunnel vision which promotes continuous streams of new school taxes; holding parents hostage over things like increased fees and threats of "brain drain" caused our community by our classroom teachers "walking out” on our Springboro students; IF self-interest demands of grand-standing union activists aren't met.
School districts voters have failed five new money school levy requests;and have voted into elected office school board representatives who support "Levy Alternatives/Budget Reform"... FIRST, before coming to heavily-taxed-burdened homeowners for new money. Our new BOE majority is doing what’s right for our school children and our community! How fortunate are we to hear at the January 22 public school board meeting, from our school district CFO report, that our school finances are in good shape and right where we expected to be! How grateful we are to our BOE budget and finance committee for their amazing achievements during 2012, as we offer continued support throughout greater challenges of the new year.
Our school district’s new philosophy of our reform-minded BOE majority is the right choice for our children's future;and the right way to keep Our Springboro Schools and Our Springboro Community as a whole ...GROWING STRONG.
You do realize that even this BOE is going to have to ask for a renewal levy
First Time

Lebanon, OH

#23255 Jan 31, 2013
I do take my kid's education seriously, but the holier than though types on here bug me. The stuff that goes on that they slide by in the daily notes is ridiculous. Seems to me that something this important should be sent out as more than a note next to the note that tells us tomorrow is funny hat day.
Who Do You Trust

Piqua, OH

#23256 Jan 31, 2013
Lurker wrote:
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You do realize that even this BOE is going to have to ask for a renewal levy
You do realize that many of our school district voters, and our community as a whole, trust that our BOE majority will bring us the facts, at the right time, with the board's recommendations regarding our school district's needs for community-wide voters to approve the upcoming renewal (no new taxes) levy.
You do realize that some board representatives spoke clearly, at the January 22 public meeting broadcast on TV, on this issue of the right time to ask community-wide voters' approval of the renewal levy.
As for me and my household of voters, we are trusting the leadership and good judgement of the views presented by our school board president and vice president; and we do not trust the tunnel vision of board member Don Miller and CFO Tracy Jarvis, who proved themselves willing at the January 10 public meeting, to waste our school tax dollars by trying to "force" a BOE vote to get the levy on the ballot "right away." So what's the big rush?
Neither do we trust, nor approve, of the Springboro parents performance at the January 22 meeting, using Radical Rules of Ridicule, in efforts to bully their agenda of their chosen few, down the throats of board members who are doing the job for our school children and community as a whole, exactly like they were elected as board representatives to do.
Rarely do we see those elected to public service to get to work for the public doing what was said they would do during their campaigns to get elected. But, that's just the right kind of board representatives that our school district voters have proven themselves wise enough to elect Dr. Kohls, Mr. Petroni, and
Mr. Rigano.
Wannabe

Chicago, IL

#23257 Jan 31, 2013
First Time wrote:
I do take my kid's education seriously, but the holier than though types on here bug me. The stuff that goes on that they slide by in the daily notes is ridiculous. Seems to me that something this important should be sent out as more than a note next to the note that tells us tomorrow is funny hat day.
Perhaps the board majority can hire their favorite "printer" to manufacture signs to be posted all over the city. That should solve the problem!
Now What

Piqua, OH

#23258 Jan 31, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
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Are you in or are you out?
I'm all for doing what's right for the students and trying to come up with specific ideas that will move our students to the top. I'm still a little leary about some of the generalities you posted. So how exactly to you create "classes devoted to learning how to learn"? If we as a group want to improve the school district then we as a group should identify/suggest specific teaching tools for both students and parents.
SOS

Piqua, OH

#23259 Jan 31, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
A few more sites if you want information that is not forthcoming from our schools regarding these programs.
http://www.oagc.com/files/PS_EOpts.pdf
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages...
http://www.sinclair.edu/precollege/pseo/
http://www.units.muohio.edu/lifelonglearning/...
http://www.wright.edu/undergraduate-admission...
http://www.udayton.edu/apply/pseo.php
Call your child's counselor and ask for more information, your family could save tens of thousands of dollars in higher education costs.
Save Our Students, One Child at a Time, by informing ourselves and taking full advantage of All opportunities, available to parents, students and educaters, to better educate one child at a time, focusing on each individual's gift of learning potential for greater achievement and a brighter future education.
No child's future should be left behind by the narrow-minded opinion of parents protesting against hiring with our school tax dollars an outside-the-union educational consulting firm to conduct an informative study in our local school district.
Our Teachers Union does not Own our School Tax Dollars.
Our Teachers Union does not Own our Schools.
Our Teachers Union does not Own our community of children.
Our Parents who protest I don't want my child in a classroom without a union teacher has obviously been severly misguided by harmful OEA indoctrination. On wonders if this severly misguided parent is a school teacher in our public schools.

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