'Romeo and Juliet' law starts

'Romeo and Juliet' law starts

There are 182 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jul 9, 2007, titled 'Romeo and Juliet' law starts. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Journal & Courier For years in Indiana, the age at which a person could legally consent to have sex was 16.

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Tokin42

Union, KY

#1 Jul 9, 2007
This is going to kill the hamilton county prosecutors conviction rate. It seems the only crimes they can find are teens having sex with each other.
Citizen One

Fort Thomas, KY

#2 Jul 9, 2007
It's long overdue. Kids do not deserve to be labeled as sex criminals for doing what they've done for centuries. Of course, the nannies out there will scream their heads off over this one. My answer? Raise you own kids.
Reality Check

Bloomington, IN

#3 Jul 9, 2007
This is certainly a step in the right direction, but it needs to be carried further. There are many boys who have touched a girl out of curiosity and are arrested for it. This also has gone on for centuries, but these boys are crucified. This is a family problem,not a legal one.

Also, there are children who do sexual things they shouldn't because they have been molested themselves. Instead of getting treatment as a victim, they are locked up as predators.

I pray for the day to come when every juvenile institution that "treats" sex offenders is forced to go out of business. They are truly halls of horror for children.
JoAnn

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Jul 9, 2007
This is a step in the right direction. However, if a person is charged for having sex with a minor, that minor should also be charged. The minor knows they are under age and should not walk away from this untouched.
Bitter old Bitch

United States

#5 Jul 9, 2007
JoAnn wrote:
This is a step in the right direction. However, if a person is charged for having sex with a minor, that minor should also be charged. The minor knows they are under age and should not walk away from this untouched.
I agree. I'm tired of the "young and dumb" BS. A teen damn well knows what they're doing.

Teens shouldn't be having sex period. And the state is now an accessory.
Teacher

AOL

#6 Jul 9, 2007
Now how about the law that puts teachers in jail for having a relationship (not sex) with a 17 year old student? It's not illegal if you're her boss at the fast food restaurant, only if you're a teacher. These teachers should have their teaching licenses revoked FOR SURE, but prison? For a consentual relationship with a 17 year old?
hopefull

United States

#7 Jul 10, 2007
this law should have been active 12 years ago when my husband got into trouble for having sex with the teenage girl that he got a sex charge for hopefully this can help us and our family to live without all the b.s. labels that he gets not to mention our property getting destroyed.
Playing Doctor

Blue Springs, MO

#8 Jul 10, 2007
Sanity Check wrote:
It doesn't matter what laws are on the books, it a parents job to keep a handle on their kids. Even the under 14 law is being abused by county prosecutors. They are prosecuting a boy for playing doctor with a girl when he was 12 and she was 10.
This is only 1 step in the right direction. It shouldn't be a CRIME for any under 18 teenager to have concenting sex with another under 18 teenager.
You can't legislate morality, only try and teach it to your children.
It looks like you actually read part of the law, good job!

Yes it should be extended below age 13 when both kids are within a couple years of each other. I read about the same case you mentioned. Some 17 year old boy shouldn't be on the sex offender list because the 15 year old girl told a counselor that 5 years ago she played doctor when she was 10 with the 12 year old boy next door. That law makes any kid 13 & under who plays spin the bottle a child molester even years later. They need to put some sanity check in that law too!
tspo

Evansville, IN

#9 Jul 11, 2007
Who sponsored the legislation that changed the law?
Lee

Blum, TX

#10 Jul 11, 2007
I am so thankful Indiana lawmakers are taking this step to correct their mistakes at convicting consensual sex matters as registrable offenses. However, I believe if teh girl is under fourteen then the boy is still going to be convicted of a horrendous crime. Federal Law stated victim of age 13 but each state writes their own age into the state laws and sadly this could leave alot of young men still as lifetime offenders.

I like to share my son's story:

ttp://www.ethicaltreatment.org /mary.htm

Look at this site read all these children's stories this Romeo and Juliet law merely touches the surface of a major crisis in our country all in the name of protecting our children but tragically our children are geing entangled into these webs of lifetime ruination.

Also, everyone know who Mark Lunsford is? Father of Jessica the little Florida girl who tragically was raped and buried alive to die by John coohey? Well now little Jessi brother Joshua, age 18, is facing a sex crime of unlawful misconduct with a minor for fondling his fourteen year old girlfriend and since he is 18 he could face if convicted ten to fifteen years as a lifetime offender.

had hoped young JOsh case bring to light what is happening his father is always in the news talking of toughening sex offender laws and says his son's case is Romeo and Juliet but few states carry Romeo and Juliet laws for teen consensual sex.

Hope you all will read my son's story please feel free to write me if your willing to write a letter on his behalf so we can get Iowa/Oklahoma to change their laws so he can ahve his life back and not be a lifetime RSO for consensual sex at age sixteen tehn charged as a adult.
Lee

Blum, TX

#11 Jul 11, 2007
I had my pc crash lost my research but I think it was a Senator/Rep named Foley maybe? You can google it should find teh article.
tspo wrote:
Who sponsored the legislation that changed the law?
Lee

Blum, TX

#12 Jul 11, 2007
Amen sex offender treatment is horrirble. Some states do a test where a ring put around the boy/man private anatomy then they are to watch films/clips and it monitors their reaction. Its horrible and scary they do this to teens and children who may just pinch a girl buttok or some college kid who moons friends.

My son when he began his treamtnet was asked have you ever had sex with a dead body? He was horrified and disgusted and his probation officer says they must ask this during his polygraph cause at seventeen he may have skeletons in his closet. Of course then he was asked if he had ever had sex with a animal so his reaction was similar yet he is treated like a rapist for consensual sex.

Sadly the new federal law the Adam Walsh Child Protectin Act which Bush signed last year will make many teens who had sex or contact with a child of twelve or younger a level three predator status with lifetime registration. It won't matter if say the kid was fourteen and pinched a twelve year olds butt in school or something.
Reality Check wrote:
This is certainly a step in the right direction, but it needs to be carried further. There are many boys who have touched a girl out of curiosity and are arrested for it. This also has gone on for centuries, but these boys are crucified. This is a family problem,not a legal one.
Also, there are children who do sexual things they shouldn't because they have been molested themselves. Instead of getting treatment as a victim, they are locked up as predators.
I pray for the day to come when every juvenile institution that "treats" sex offenders is forced to go out of business. They are truly halls of horror for children.
Lee

Blum, TX

#13 Jul 11, 2007
True teens do know what they are doing including having sex. In my son's case ( http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/mary.htm ( we were told by his public defender "she" the girl cannot legally consent to sex period by laws. Therefore he committed a crime. I was furious and posed this question. If this same girl walkedinto class or court with a gun and shot a few folks would the law still say she cannot be held "liable" for her own actions? I dare call these laws a double standard and am sure if a child did this of thirteen or fourteen she/he be held liable for their actions.

Heck many states allow a twelve/thirteen year old to go to health dept and get birth control without parents knowledge yet the states say these kids cannot say yes to sex?
Bitter old Bitch wrote:
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I agree. I'm tired of the "young and dumb" BS. A teen damn well knows what they're doing.
Teens shouldn't be having sex period. And the state is now an accessory.
Lee

Blum, TX

#14 Jul 11, 2007
WE currently passed legislation here where it cannot be a student in high school under age of twenty so even if eighteen and consensual its prison for teachers or anyone who works for the school.
Teacher wrote:
Now how about the law that puts teachers in jail for having a relationship (not sex) with a 17 year old student? It's not illegal if you're her boss at the fast food restaurant, only if you're a teacher. These teachers should have their teaching licenses revoked FOR SURE, but prison? For a consentual relationship with a 17 year old?
Lee

Blum, TX

#15 Jul 11, 2007
I am not sure but I think one can petition court as this law may be grandfathered and one must meet the requirements of the law. Four year age difference etc.
hopefull wrote:
this law should have been active 12 years ago when my husband got into trouble for having sex with the teenage girl that he got a sex charge for hopefully this can help us and our family to live without all the b.s. labels that he gets not to mention our property getting destroyed.
Dan

Dayton, OH

#16 Jul 11, 2007
"Sex with a person younger than 14 is still considered child molesting, regardless of the age of the perpetrator."

So what happens if they are both under 14? Gonna label them both criminals?
Tony

Blue Springs, MO

#17 Jul 12, 2007
Dan wrote:
"Sex with a person younger than 14 is still considered child molesting, regardless of the age of the perpetrator."
So what happens if they are both under 14? Gonna label them both criminals?
Indiana Code 35-42-4-3 (b)
"A person who, with a child under fourteen (14) years of age, performs or submits to any fondling or touching, of either the child or the older person, with intent to arouse or to satisfy the sexual
desires of either the child or the older person, commits child molesting"

The older child is supposed to be punished, but it seems that Majoritivly only if the older child is male that prosecutors have been moving forward. The part with "intent to arouse or to satisfy sexual desires" with no age limit seems to be the main problem with the law. If 2 13 year olds are playing spin the bottle at a party the one that is older by days or weeks is guilty of child molestation. As mentioned by others the Indiana prosecutors even pushed cases against a 12 year old who was playing doctor with a 10 year old. You would think there would be some type of sanity/reality check but prosecutors state "the law is the law" and we must move forward with prosecution. Talk about your Salem witch hunts!
Lee

Blum, TX

#18 Jul 13, 2007
Hi well if both under age of fourteen the oldest one would be the offender and possibly the younger one too much like the case in Utah of the twelve year old boyfriend and girl was thirteen. The Utah supreme court said they are both victims and offenders. Since she is thirteen and he was twelve new federal law will make her automatically a level three predator as the law reads any victim twelve or under.

Its really tragic what politicians are doing to our youth for consensual sex. I have to wonder how they sleep at night?
Dan wrote:
"Sex with a person younger than 14 is still considered child molesting, regardless of the age of the perpetrator."
So what happens if they are both under 14? Gonna label them both criminals?
Lee

Blum, TX

#19 Jul 13, 2007
http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/mary.htm

ead these kids stories. There are tons of kids out htere playing doctor and criminalized for their actions. These children have no second chance and no future as a registered sex offender. Even their families suffer the trauma and heartache as families must comply with the laws if these children live at home and sometimes probation removes them from the home if other siblings live there.
Dayum Fool

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Jul 15, 2007
ooohhh I like this law, maybe now we can get some male juveniles off home detention charged with molest or sexual misconduct with a minor when we all know that the female they was with is loose and willing to do anything....

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