Parent upset over field trip costs

Parent upset over field trip costs

There are 94 comments on the Vallejo Times-Herald story from Oct 25, 2008, titled Parent upset over field trip costs. In it, Vallejo Times-Herald reports that:

Students from Steffan Manor Elementary School in Vallejo board a bus for a field trip Thursday morning.

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Slider On The Black

Vallejo, CA

#1 Oct 25, 2008
Geez lady. Life is short. Give it a rest.
Yosemite Sam

Bethel Island, CA

#2 Oct 25, 2008
Good post Slider on the Block. I wonder how many times these kids have gone to 6 Flags amusement park, or wear designer shoes or shirts?
jrt

Benicia, CA

#3 Oct 25, 2008
First of all was the bus VCUSD or Michaels???

When they put in the Field Trip the district either has enough buses to do the trip or farm it out.

Secondly, VCUSD charges a fee for out of city vs in City. Last year out of city trips were 600.00 ---if there is only 1 class going the burden is on the student more.

Our SIte has pretty much opted out of doing field trips.

SO was it a class of 32 or a class of 20???? What Museum was it??? Did parents opt to make sure they had the car insuarance coverage for the day etc and offer to drive than do the BUS!

There are options but Teachers and Office Personnel do not have the time to do the research.

But parents can drive if they get the rider for the day and it meets the districts standards.
Lioness

Vallejo, CA

#4 Oct 25, 2008
If an $80 - 100 dollar fee comes up related to a field trip or school expense, my kiddos and I will give up some extras (i.e., going out for lunch/dinner, movies, saving up). Schools everywhere are feeling the money pinch! Wait until your kiddos want to play sports in high school or something else! That's when the costs can easily reach $2K!
Stefffan Manor parent

San Jose, CA

#5 Oct 25, 2008
Stop your griping!!! First: the fundraisers they do is to give families who do not have money the opportunity to RAISE the money! Kids who can't afford it CAN get assistance! Second: if you don't want to fundraise, you do NOT HAVE TO FUNDRAISE! I don't like to participate in fundraisers, and I inform the teacher at the start of each school year that I will be paying full price for my child's field trips and excursions. I also DONATE EXTRA to the school to pay for children who have problems affording to go. Regarding extra $ for non-students to attend, it is a field trip for the KIDS - not the parents, and not for kids who don't go to the school.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Elle

San Leandro, CA

#6 Oct 25, 2008
Instead of declaring at the start of school the school year that you will not be participating in any fundraising activities for your children, why not see if you can maybe assist in helping the parents who ARE interested and rely on those fundraisers get started who might not know where to begin.

Not everyone is as fortunate as what you come across to be. Maybe you should see how to spread some of that goodness around instead of standing on your soap box telling everyone to stop griping and asking for a break.
Steffan Manor parent

San Jose, CA

#8 Oct 25, 2008
Check it out: I don't participate in fundraisers because I work full time, my job does not allow us to sell fundraiser stuff at work, and I will not allow my children to sell or solicit from anyone but family - and all of our family lives in another state. SO - I tell teachers ahead of time that I will just pay. To afford this, I do it the old fashioned way - I SAVE MY MONEY. I'm not rich as you seem to imply. I'm not even well to do. But I take responsibility for my own children.

AND I DO help. I take off a few hours of work every couple of weeks to volunteer with the reading program. I buy supplies for the teachers' classrooms when I see a good deal. And yes, I donate extra money WHEN I HAVE IT in order to help others who are struggling to raise funds.

It has nothing to do with being "fortunate", Elle. It has to do with a personal approach that works for MY family. We aren't rich - not even close! We make do as best we can. But we will always make sure our kids can go on field trips and that they have what they need for school - maybe we don't eat out or maybe we don't go to the movies or maybe we get another season's wear out of our shoes to make that happen - but we DO make it happen, and we don't gripe.

Many are more fortunate than we, many are less fortunate. I figure that in a community, you do what you can for yourself and if you can, you help others who need a hand. Why is that a bad thing?

This woman was griping, pure and simple. She wanted to take her whole family on a school outing and objected when they asked her to pay. That's ridiculous.

No one else is griping. Money IS available from the school to help parents who can't afford to pay for field trips. Maybe YOU need to step back and get off YOUR high horse.
CasualObserver

Palo Alto, CA

#9 Oct 25, 2008
Who don't ghetto parents want to pay a little extra.
Yeah Right

Benicia, CA

#10 Oct 25, 2008
whaaaaaaaa!

PS:
who would take a field trip to the Richmond courthouse? Isn't there enough ghetto stuff to look at in Vallejo?
Grow Up People

Vallejo, CA

#11 Oct 25, 2008
Times are tough everywhere. As an active parent in my community-we know not ALL parents participate and it's their children who suffer. Most of us give 110% for the benefit of our individual children, classrooms and favorite teachers.
For the near future..the bottom line will be exactly that..the bottom line.
Complaining benefits NO ONE. Harness that energy and do something positive for ALL the children in the ENTIRE school and community. Some of the comments here are immature, irrelevant and selfish.
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens

Menifee, CA

#12 Oct 25, 2008
The teachers are clearing $70 an hour on averagemake them pay for it.
Vallejo Mom

San Jose, CA

#13 Oct 25, 2008
Next time I get mad at someone, can I call the TH and have them write a front page story too?

Sounds like the parent was more upset that the school was asking them to pay $20 for all the rest of the family to come too. whatever.
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens

Menifee, CA

#14 Oct 25, 2008
Vallejo Mom wrote:
Next time I get mad at someone, can I call the TH and have them write a front page story too?
Why not, the PSU weflare queens do it every single day.
Oh please

San Jose, CA

#15 Oct 25, 2008
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens wrote:
The teachers are clearing $70 an hour on averagemake them pay for it.
What a ridiculous thing to say.

According to the VCUSD certificated employee salary schedule, the starting salary for teachers is 37K. The most any teacher can make is 73K, and they need to be with the District 23+ years and have PhD to make that top salary.

Are you expected to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket to do YOUR job??
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens

Menifee, CA

#16 Oct 25, 2008
Oh please wrote:
<quoted text>
What a ridiculous thing to say.
According to the VCUSD certificated employee salary schedule, the starting salary for teachers is 37K. The most any teacher can make is 73K, and they need to be with the District 23+ years and have PhD to make that top salary.
Are you expected to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket to do YOUR job??
Hey Einstein, NO teacher starts at the lowest position on the salary schedule, and if you read my post I said AVERAGE, NOT the LOWEST paid.

You also left out the benefits-including STRS pensions, which add in $25 anhour onto the AVERAGE pay of $45 an hour.

Here it is in black and white for morons like you;
How Much Are Public School Teachers Paid?

According to the BLS, the average public school teacher in the United States earned $34.06 per hour in 2005.(See Table 1.) The average white-collar worker (excluding sales) earned $25.08 per hour, and the average professional specialty and technical worker earned $30.66 per hour. The average public school teacher was paid 36% more per hour than the average non-sales white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty and technical worker. Nationwide, public school teachers earn more than the average workers with whom they are grouped into categories by the BLS.

The Detroit metropolitan area has the highest average public school teacher pay among metropolitan areas for which data are available, at $47.28 per hour.(See Table 1A.) The average public school teacher in the San Francisco metropolitan area is not far behind, at $46.70 per hour. The third-highest average public school teacher pay is in the New York metropolitan area ($45.79). The top ten metro areas in terms of average public school teacher pay can all be found in California, Michigan, or the Northeast.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_50...
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens

Menifee, CA

#17 Oct 25, 2008
Oh please wrote:
<quoted text>

The most any teacher can make is 73K, and they need to be with the District 23+ years and have PhD to make that top salary.

BTW,$73K for 37 weeks of work at the average work week of 36 hours for a teacher is $55 an hour-NOT counting benefits.
Observer

San Francisco, CA

#18 Oct 25, 2008
Stefffan Manor parent wrote:
Stop your griping!!! First: the fundraisers they do is to give families who do not have money the opportunity to RAISE the money! Kids who can't afford it CAN get assistance! Second: if you don't want to fundraise, you do NOT HAVE TO FUNDRAISE! I don't like to participate in fundraisers, and I inform the teacher at the start of each school year that I will be paying full price for my child's field trips and excursions. I also DONATE EXTRA to the school to pay for children who have problems affording to go. Regarding extra $ for non-students to attend, it is a field trip for the KIDS - not the parents, and not for kids who don't go to the school.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Thanks SM parent for stepping up for the school and other schools too. First of all, the field trip is optional. The parent/student does not have to participate if they do not want too. Times are tough for all schools and the site does not have funds allocated to pay for the bus or entrance. It sounds like the transportation to Marin was the most costly. Why attack the school? Why attack the teacher? The school is attempting to provide an opportunity for students to visit a museum and gain a hands-on experience.
Oh please

San Jose, CA

#19 Oct 25, 2008
FF_Queen,

Funny, I could have SWORN you said they CLEAR $70/hour. Most people would interpret that to mean AFTER taxes and other payroll deductions.

In any case, since I'm such a "moron", perhaps you can explain to me whether that "hourly pay" you reference is based on INSTRUCTIONAL hours or actual hours spent doing the job? Most teachers only have 4-6 instructional hours per day, 185 days a year. Teachers are paid an ANNUAL salary. If you take that annual salary and divide it by the number of INSTRUCTIONAL hours, you'll get some ridiculous number that means NOTHING. Why? Because it does not factor in all the work they do for classroom prep, paper grading, etc., which is done outside of instructional time. That can take hours a day, and often extends into the night and weekends, making a teacher's work week push upwards of 60, 70, and even 80 hours per week.

Unless your statistics factor in ALL the time spent by the AVERAGE teacher, they mean nothing, because teachers do not earn HOURLY salaries.
Amazed

Vacaville, CA

#20 Oct 25, 2008
FF-Cops -Welfare Queens wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Einstein, NO teacher starts at the lowest position on the salary schedule, and if you read my post I said AVERAGE, NOT the LOWEST paid.
You also left out the benefits-including STRS pensions, which add in $25 anhour onto the AVERAGE pay of $45 an hour.
Here it is in black and white for morons like you;
How Much Are Public School Teachers Paid?
According to the BLS, the average public school teacher in the United States earned $34.06 per hour in 2005.(See Table 1.) The average white-collar worker (excluding sales) earned $25.08 per hour, and the average professional specialty and technical worker earned $30.66 per hour. The average public school teacher was paid 36% more per hour than the average non-sales white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty and technical worker. Nationwide, public school teachers earn more than the average workers with whom they are grouped into categories by the BLS.
The Detroit metropolitan area has the highest average public school teacher pay among metropolitan areas for which data are available, at $47.28 per hour.(See Table 1A.) The average public school teacher in the San Francisco metropolitan area is not far behind, at $46.70 per hour. The third-highest average public school teacher pay is in the New York metropolitan area ($45.79). The top ten metro areas in terms of average public school teacher pay can all be found in California, Michigan, or the Northeast.
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_50...
You are mistaken. That INCLUDES the benefits. Check your local data...
dave1021

Union City, CA

#21 Oct 25, 2008
"$73K for 37 weeks of work at the average work week of 36 hours for a teacher is $55 an hour-NOT counting benefits."

Aside from the fact that you're, as usual, completely full of sh!t, here's the pertinent question: if these "public" jobs you spend so much time deriding are such cushy gigs, why aren't you riding the gravy train? Or do you really get a sense of fulfillment dropping that fry basket at Jack in the Box 20 hours a week?

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