Moms Talk: The Vaccine Debate

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A measles outbreak has hit Minnesota-10 cases have now been confirmed. Before this recent surge, only 10 cases of measles had been reported in the state over the last decade.

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Wow! I am amazed at the obvious bias set forth in the original "debate" information given in this article. NONE of the initial comments came from parents of affected or autistic children. Like Sarah, I am well educated in the REAL side effects of "too much too soon," as well as from the unbelievable amount of toxins added by pharmaceutical companies under the guise of "preservatives!" Here is my 2 cents' worth:
I am the parent of an autistic child. He was my first born, and knowing nothing about anything, I kept a detailed journal every day during my child's first few years. After the fact, it became clear that he onset of symptoms directly coincided with his vaccines. Fast forward through many years of research, therapies and thousands of dollars spent on nutritional modifications which yielded the most solid data concerning my son's recovery. He is now 15 years old and has not been vaccinated since he was 2.5 years old. While he is strictly gluten- and dairy-free due to the onset of food ALLERGIES, he is healthier than most kids as he NEVER gets sick. However, that wasn't the case when he was little. He had horrible colic accompanied by night terrors every night which lasted for SEVERAL months, right after receiving his 6 and 12 month vaccines. He got sick with the whopping cough right after receiving the whopping cough vaccine. The MMR came right before his dramatic decent into his own world. I could go on, but what people need to realize is that it isn't vaccination in and of itself that is harmful, but the insane amount which is being pumped into our infants' bodies (with their immature immune systems) all at once. In addition, they contain substances such as thimerosal (mercury!) and formaldehyde which are also being injected at unhealthy levels.
[On a separate note, since many of these comments are coming from a veterinary doctor, my small dog displayed HUGE adverse reactions immediately after being vaccinated, and is now on very expensive grain-free food (at the advice of our vet) because of immune issues and allergies. Coincidence?]
Look at the amount of children now diagnosed with ADHD, asthma, ASD--all related auto-immune disorders. How many of you parents reading this are educated in these types of disorders? My guess is, only the ones with children affected by the over-immunization schedule set forth by the companies which hold all the cards.

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Since you're self-proclaimed to be more educated than anyone else ever could be, try explaining why the majority who get vaccines have no health issues at all (with their immature immune systems)? Why not all who has had vaccines don't also have autism? Why more boys than girls have autism? Explain why the autism rates never decreased once thimerosal was removed 10 years ago? Explain how your own body creates more formaldehyde daily than you'll ever find in the vaccine schedule? Formaldehyde is found naturally in food as well. Explain how a veterinarian cant also be an educated parent?
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Since you're self-proclaimed to be more educated than anyone else ever could be, try explaining why the majority who get vaccines have no health issues at all (with their immature immune systems)? Why not all who has had vaccines don't also have autism? Why more boys than girls have autism? Explain why the autism rates never decreased once thimerosal was removed 10 years ago? Explain how your own body creates more formaldehyde daily than you'll ever find in the vaccine schedule? Formaldehyde is found naturally in food as well. Explain how a veterinarian cant also be an educated parent?
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Lori wrote:
Wow! I am amazed at the obvious bias set forth in the original "debate" information given in this article. NONE of the initial comments came from parents of affected or autistic children. Like Sarah, I am well educated in the REAL side effects of "too much too soon," as well as from the unbelievable amount of toxins added by pharmaceutical companies under the guise of "preservatives!" Here is my 2 cents' worth:
I am the parent of an autistic child. He was my first born, and knowing nothing about anything, I kept a detailed journal every day during my child's first few years. After the fact, it became clear that he onset of symptoms directly coincided with his vaccines. Fast forward through many years of research, therapies and thousands of dollars spent on nutritional modifications which yielded the most solid data concerning my son's recovery. He is now 15 years old and has not been vaccinated since he was 2.5 years old. While he is strictly gluten- and dairy-free due to the onset of food ALLERGIES, he is healthier than most kids as he NEVER gets sick. However, that wasn't the case when he was little. He had horrible colic accompanied by night terrors every night which lasted for SEVERAL months, right after receiving his 6 and 12 month vaccines. He got sick with the whopping cough right after receiving the whopping cough vaccine. The MMR came right before his dramatic decent into his own world. I could go on, but what people need to realize is that it isn't vaccination in and of itself that is harmful, but the insane amount which is being pumped into our infants' bodies (with their immature immune systems) all at once. In addition, they contain substances such as thimerosal (mercury!) and formaldehyde which are also being injected at unhealthy levels.
[On a separate note, since many of these comments are coming from a veterinary doctor, my small dog displayed HUGE adverse reactions immediately after being vaccinated, and is now on very expensive grain-free food (at the advice of our vet) because of immune issues and allergies. Coincidence?]
Look at the amount of children now diagnosed with ADHD, asthma, ASD--all related auto-immune disorders. How many of you parents reading this are educated in these types of disorders? My guess is, only the ones with children affected by the over-immunization schedule set forth by the companies which hold all the cards.
AWESOME POST Lori. Have you read the 15 PUBMED studies? Here they are. http://www.regardingcaroline.com/pubmed

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That must be about 40 articles now!!!!

If one was to look at each (not just the abstacts) they's see none of it is evidence or shows a link. Most are inconclusive hypothesis not confirmed, data studies, animal studies not confirmed to happen in children (their own words), one is from the Geier's (how fun that was), and one had nothing to do with childhood vaccines. Most of the 15 studies are done by the same repeating authors. The extra credit study was funny as well, since flu vaccines come thimerosal-free for pregnant women.

Nice try Examiner.
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That must be about 40 articles now!!!!
If one was to look at each (not just the abstacts) they's see none of it is evidence or shows a link. Most are inconclusive hypothesis not confirmed, data studies, animal studies not confirmed to happen in children (their own words), one is from the Geier's (how fun that was), and one had nothing to do with childhood vaccines. Most of the 15 studies are done by the same repeating authors. The extra credit study was funny as well, since flu vaccines come thimerosal-free for pregnant women.
Nice try Examiner.
That would then be 40 forums you have spammed with nonsense instead of discussing the evidence. The queen od dee-nile.

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friend wrote:
That must be about 40 articles now!!!!
If one was to look at each (not just the abstacts) they's see none of it is evidence or shows a link. Most are inconclusive hypothesis not confirmed, data studies, animal studies not confirmed to happen in children (their own words), one is from the Geier's (how fun that was), and one had nothing to do with childhood vaccines. Most of the 15 studies are done by the same repeating authors. The extra credit study was funny as well, since flu vaccines come thimerosal-free for pregnant women.
Nice try Examiner.
very true. and when you add in the fact that the study done by that one British fraud wakefield was revoked by not only the Medical Board. but also by the courts as well. not only that, wakefield is no longer licensed to practise.
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thing is, that person with autism could be the next Alison Hale, Bill Gates, Matthew Laborteaux, Satoshi Tajiri. but folks are tooo willing to want a 'norm' child that they do not want to see how a kid who has something could add to that parent's life. the parent wants a mere copycat of what they, the parent is like.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/AutismNews/court-rul... Special Court Says Connection Between Vaccines and Autism is 'Scientifically Unsupportable'
Dr. Michael Wasserman, a pediatrician with the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans, La., weighed in too: "It's great to learn that evidence, logic and science are prevailing in this case."
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we will not know the extent of the damage this anti-vaccine has done. unless one starts to keep count on how many died due to someone not being vaccinated. especially when the next epidemic comes about. be it the flu, polio, diphtheria, what ever comes about. and some of these not only disfigure the person. but many illnesses CAN and DO kill.
http://vtdigger.org/2013/02/13/wasserman-a-pe... This public policy debate is about the protection of our children. When parents donít immunize their children, they place other peopleís children at risk,
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for those folks who do not know those folks I listed. look them up.
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as well as jobs for the person with autism. depending on it. that IT person you need to work on your computer is most likely on the autism spectrum....
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very true. and when you add in the fact that the study done by that one British fraud wakefield was revoked by not only the Medical Board. but also by the courts as well. not only that, wakefield is no longer licensed to practise.
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thing is, that person with autism could be the next Alison Hale, Bill Gates, Matthew Laborteaux, Satoshi Tajiri. but folks are tooo willing to want a 'norm' child that they do not want to see how a kid who has something could add to that parent's life. the parent wants a mere copycat of what they, the parent is like.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/AutismNews/court-rul... Special Court Says Connection Between Vaccines and Autism is 'Scientifically Unsupportable'
Dr. Michael Wasserman, a pediatrician with the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans, La., weighed in too: "It's great to learn that evidence, logic and science are prevailing in this case."
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we will not know the extent of the damage this anti-vaccine has done. unless one starts to keep count on how many died due to someone not being vaccinated. especially when the next epidemic comes about. be it the flu, polio, diphtheria, what ever comes about. and some of these not only disfigure the person. but many illnesses CAN and DO kill.
http://vtdigger.org/2013/02/13/wasserman-a-pe... This public policy debate is about the protection of our children. When parents donít immunize their children, they place other peopleís children at risk,
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for those folks who do not know those folks I listed. look them up.
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as well as jobs for the person with autism. depending on it. that IT person you need to work on your computer is most likely on the autism spectrum....
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There is a site that tracks deaths due to unvaccinated.

Wakefield and Krigsman are now trying to pitch a reality show about those with autism. Thheir trailer depicted "an autistic child screams; another bites his mother's hand; another repeatedly and violently slams a book against his head. Then a narrator tells us that "every day across the world, medical symptoms of hundreds of thousands of people with autism are being ignored" That's what they deem autism to be. A bunch of violent small children. And where are those thousands of people being ignored??? The trailer pitches that they and they alone are 'changing lives', as if no one else in the whole world is doing anything or helping any children with autism. The thing with anti vaxxers, obviously Wakefield and Krigsman included, never show what true autism is. They ignore people like Alison Hale, Bill Gates, Matthew Laborteaux, Satoshi Tajiri, Temple Grandin those with great musical and math abilities.
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very true. and when you add in the fact that the study done by that one British fraud wakefield was revoked by not only the Medical Board. but also by the courts as well. not only that, wakefield is no longer licensed to practise.
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thing is, that person with autism could be the next Alison Hale, Bill Gates, Matthew Laborteaux, Satoshi Tajiri. but folks are tooo willing to want a 'norm' child that they do not want to see how a kid who has something could add to that parent's life. the parent wants a mere copycat of what they, the parent is like.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WN/AutismNews/court-rul... Special Court Says Connection Between Vaccines and Autism is 'Scientifically Unsupportable'
Dr. Michael Wasserman, a pediatrician with the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans, La., weighed in too: "It's great to learn that evidence, logic and science are prevailing in this case."
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we will not know the extent of the damage this anti-vaccine has done. unless one starts to keep count on how many died due to someone not being vaccinated. especially when the next epidemic comes about. be it the flu, polio, diphtheria, what ever comes about. and some of these not only disfigure the person. but many illnesses CAN and DO kill.
http://vtdigger.org/2013/02/13/wasserman-a-pe... This public policy debate is about the protection of our children. When parents donít immunize their children, they place other peopleís children at risk,
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for those folks who do not know those folks I listed. look them up.
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as well as jobs for the person with autism. depending on it. that IT person you need to work on your computer is most likely on the autism spectrum....
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A microcosm of an issue. Very pro-vaccine, unbalanced, propaganda. None of these children have died. They will have life long immunity that only this experience and the body's immune system can provide. No $$ for pharma..boo-hoo. Isolate these children, let the natural process occur, and they will never be a threat again. Vaccinate them, and they may experience vac failure immediately or have it wear off, thereby making them dangerous to others too, and vulnerable themselves. What sounds better?
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There is a site that tracks deaths due to unvaccinated.
Wakefield and Krigsman are now trying to pitch a reality show about those with autism. Thheir trailer depicted "an autistic child screams; another bites his mother's hand; another repeatedly and violently slams a book against his head. Then a narrator tells us that "every day across the world, medical symptoms of hundreds of thousands of people with autism are being ignored" That's what they deem autism to be. A bunch of violent small children. And where are those thousands of people being ignored??? The trailer pitches that they and they alone are 'changing lives', as if no one else in the whole world is doing anything or helping any children with autism. The thing with anti vaxxers, obviously Wakefield and Krigsman included, never show what true autism is. They ignore people like Alison Hale, Bill Gates, Matthew Laborteaux, Satoshi Tajiri, Temple Grandin those with great musical and math abilities.
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They don't ignore them, its not their focus TROLL. But its like ONLY focusing on calling vaccines safe and side effects rare and mind when that MAY apply to SOME but not all. Its misinformation AND FRAUD.

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thing is, by the time they find out the person is ill. the person has most likely spread the infection during the incubation time. so by then, it is too late to separate the ill ones from the healthy ones. since now you wont know if the healthy ones are truly healthy. and not incubating the illness as well.
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during the incubation time there is pretty much no symptoms of what is in the person's body.
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this one I'm using their page for about the flu. but it is true about other illnesses too depending on what is being spread.
http://coldflu.about.com/od/WhenYouGettheFlu/... Another factor that contributes to how the flu spreads is when exactly you may be contagious. Unlike many common illnesses that are only contagious when you're experiencing symptoms, the flu can be contagious a day before you get sick -- so you're likely out there spreading the virus before you ever know that you have it.
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http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-cond... During this incubation period, while the virus is multiplying inside those infected cells, you have no symptoms -- no sore throat, no runny nose, no achy muscles -- and no virus spreading like wildfire throughout your body so that every drop of saliva or mucous you produce contains it. And that's how a virus spreads from one person to another:
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one of the things that a kid gets protected via vaccines is a very fatal disease known as diptheria
http://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicabl... Diphtheria is a highly contagious and potentially life-threatening bacterial disease caused by Corynebacterium diphtheriae. There are two types of diphtheria: respiratory and cutaneous.
....Respiratory diphtheria is extremely rare in the United States because of widespread immunization. Most of the infrequent cases of diphtheria in the U.S. are among unvaccinated or inadequately vaccinated persons
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Talking to yourself again?
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Sangelia wrote:
thing is, by the time they find out the person is ill. the person has most likely spread the infection during the incubation time. so by then, it is too late to separate the ill ones from the healthy ones. since now you wont know if the healthy ones are truly healthy. and not incubating the illness as well.
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during the incubation time there is pretty much no symptoms of what is in the person's body.
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this one I'm using their page for about the flu. but it is true about other illnesses too depending on what is being spread.
http://coldflu.about.com/od/WhenYouGettheFlu/... Another factor that contributes to how the flu spreads is when exactly you may be contagious. Unlike many common illnesses that are only contagious when you're experiencing symptoms, the flu can be contagious a day before you get sick -- so you're likely out there spreading the virus before you ever know that you have it.
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http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-cond... During this incubation period, while the virus is multiplying inside those infected cells, you have no symptoms -- no sore throat, no runny nose, no achy muscles -- and no virus spreading like wildfire throughout your body so that every drop of saliva or mucous you produce contains it. And that's how a virus spreads from one person to another:
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one of the things that a kid gets protected via vaccines is a very fatal disease known as diptheria
http://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicabl... Diphtheria is a highly contagious and potentially life-threatening bacterial disease caused by Corynebacterium diphtheriae. There are two types of diphtheria: respiratory and cutaneous.
....Respiratory diphtheria is extremely rare in the United States because of widespread immunization. Most of the infrequent cases of diphtheria in the U.S. are among unvaccinated or inadequately vaccinated persons
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Talking to yourself again?
SO? Thanks for contributing so much to the discussion
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<quoted text> SO? Thanks for contributing so much to the discussion
So says the person who talks to himself, and replies with "DUH" or "MORE SPAM" to anyone who provides useful data.
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So says the person who talks to himself, and replies with "DUH" or "MORE SPAM" to anyone who provides useful data.
I'm simply being honest. So where's your evidence? GOT NONE?
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AUTISM 4 DUMMIES wrote:
<quoted text> I'm simply being honest. So where's your evidence? GOT NONE?
Memory loss is one of the first signs of madness.

Several of us have posted numerous links to peer reviewed evidence, but you don't, or (more likely) can't read them.

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He thinks those 15 'studies' from some blog are peer reviewed/ evidence. Most if not all are old, and done by the same authors. It isn't peer reviewed if they themselves review their own work! And he never asks himself, if it was valid evidence, why has nothing at all come of it? If the Pharma was so big and bad, they would had quashed the authors by now. No sense in providing any more links to peer reviewed studies. He wont understand them anyways.

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1. 2002 repeating author 'Might' be related to pathogenesis of autism
2. 1998 repeating author Hypothesis not confirmed
3. 2011 Hypothesis
4. 2000 Data study- design limit our ability to make firm causal inferences about the true magnitude of effect.
5. 1958 This isn't a study
6. 2010 Survey study
7. 2011 repeating author Data study
8. 2009 repeating author This study had nothing to do with childhood vaccines
9. 2011 repeating author This really isn't a study, but opinion on other studies
data study
10. 2011 not a study
11. 2004 Geier study- based off VAERS
12. 2010 repeating author Mouse study, even though thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines already
13. 2011 'If similar changes occur in children' this study never determined that it did.
14. 2012 hypothesis not confirmed
15. 2012 might induce excitotoxic
16. 2006 the flu vaccine comes thimerosal-free for pregnant women

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