Panther Valley eyes increasing needs ...

Panther Valley eyes increasing needs from large influx of speci...

There are 35 comments on the The Morning Call story from Apr 3, 2008, titled Panther Valley eyes increasing needs from large influx of speci.... In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Panther Valley School District's special education population has nearly doubled over the past eight years and the numbers are still rising, school officials were told at a Budget and Finance Committee meeting ...

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Danny Boy

Pittston, PA

#1 Apr 3, 2008
''Any time 'whisper down the alley' is played, there are misconceptions" This is certianly true when one of the players has big ears and loves to hear himself talk on the "Mark in the dark show" Why doesn't the paper list any of the other people that left their jobs to join the BHA or Educare team? You think, they might have gone there to better themselves and not have to put up with all the political bull?
Lining the Pockets

Blairstown, NJ

#2 Apr 3, 2008
If they (BHA/Educare and PVSD)) are concerned about the conflicts then maybe they shouldn't be sending students there. The bit about "an entire team of individuals must decide on an out-of-district placement" is BS. Really, why shouldn't the kids be sent to a facility partially owned by one of their employees and the spouse of a director. I think someone shouold check into the ethics of the whole situation. Quite frankly, it stinks!!!
Officer

United States

#3 Apr 3, 2008
Yes, ethics certainly come into play here!
Jack Burton

Washington, DC

#4 Apr 3, 2008
''It's because of changes in regulations and because of the people who are moving into the district,'' Caffrey said.....

I would like to point out this guys's statement, "because of the people", Anyone else notice a problem of negative speaking with the children that need help for their concerns?

We talk about ethics, well I will be sending this article to the PA Dept of State for further review. What is really scary is this guy is not only employed by PV but also is co-owner of Educare.....WOW
Wild Cherry

Easton, PA

#5 Apr 3, 2008
Jack Burton wrote:
''It's because of changes in regulations and because of the people who are moving into the district,'' Caffrey said.....
I would like to point out this guys's statement, "because of the people", Anyone else notice a problem of negative speaking with the children that need help for their concerns?
We talk about ethics, well I will be sending this article to the PA Dept of State for further review. What is really scary is this guy is not only employed by PV but also is co-owner of Educare.....WOW
You are on the mark. The State Ethics Commission would have a field day with this. No public official or employee (or their immediate family members)can benefit financially because of their employment by a public entity. The fact that the special education director participates and recommends to send students to his private business may be technically legal financially but I would bet my bottom dollar he is in direct violation of the State Ethics Law!!!
Same for the school director.
PV Parent

Lehighton, PA

#6 Apr 3, 2008
Lining the Pockets wrote:
If they (BHA/Educare and PVSD)) are concerned about the conflicts then maybe they shouldn't be sending students there. The bit about "an entire team of individuals must decide on an out-of-district placement" is BS. Really, why shouldn't the kids be sent to a facility partially owned by one of their employees and the spouse of a director. I think someone shouold check into the ethics of the whole situation. Quite frankly, it stinks!!!
I think someone has. Over and over again. In fact, this question gets asked every time someone is disgruntled about something. Each time, the people involved provide the information to show that there is nothing unethical going on. Anyone who attends school board meetings knows this. They also are aware that the director abstains from any decision that involves Educare.
The Facts are the facts and the numbers don't lie. 60% vs. 10% seems pretty clear that new enrollments are a major factor.
Ur full of it

Mifflinville, PA

#7 Apr 3, 2008
Wild Cherry wrote:
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You are on the mark. The State Ethics Commission would have a field day with this. No public official or employee (or their immediate family members)can benefit financially because of their employment by a public entity. The fact that the special education director participates and recommends to send students to his private business may be technically legal financially but I would bet my bottom dollar he is in direct violation of the State Ethics Law!!!
Same for the school director.
I've give 10 to 1 odds on your money, that there is nothing, in violation of the state ethic laws. Show me, just one point, where they're in violation or STFU. Every time somebody mentions, PVSD alternative education, or any kids with IEP's, or BHA, or Educare, or Rick, or Donna, or her husband Joe, all you uneducated crap for brains morons get on the "it has to an ethics violation band wagon". Well this has been played over and over again for at least 5 years in various forms and no letters ever came from the ethics committee telling them they have to change their arrangement. So there is no issue, so go write about so real issues, like the guy with the two big ears, that can't even keep track of where they are in the agenda. Maybe you should look in to all the employees leaving to take smoke breaks, by sneaking out the back doors, so they don't have to sign out, for leaving the property. By the way, did the thought ever occur to you, that the reason PVSD ends up with so many of these special needs kids, is because Mr. Cafferty and Mr. Trimmel actually take the time to run a excellent program for these students, instead of just warehousing them, like so of the other places costing more then three times as much. I'll be waiting for you at the next board meeting to collect your bottom dollar. Don't worry I'll know who you are, if you show up, which I doubt. You'll be the one with your cranium still up your butt.
Brighten Up

Wyoming, PA

#8 Apr 3, 2008
Jack Burton wrote:
''It's because of changes in regulations and because of the people who are moving into the district,'' Caffrey said.....
I would like to point out this guys's statement, "because of the people", Anyone else notice a problem of negative speaking with the children that need help for their concerns?
We talk about ethics, well I will be sending this article to the PA Dept of State for further review. What is really scary is this guy is not only employed by PV but also is co-owner of Educare.....WOW
Just call them, they'll tell you its been investigated multiple time and there is nothing wrong with the arrangement. How about picking a better subject, like a certain school board member wanting a time clock moved out of the site of the school's video surveillance system, could that be because his daughter was told not to punch other peoples' time cards? Or is it just a coincidence, that it's the time clock she uses?
Fed Up

Blairstown, NJ

#9 Apr 3, 2008
It is time for Joe/Rick to stop accepting these kids from PV. Let the district find another cheaper, better, and closer place for these kids with IEP's, emotional needs, psychiatric needs, and behavioral needs to be educated. BHA/Educare accepts students from 25-30 of the school districts from Monroe, Lehigh, Northampton, Carbon, and Pike counties. They really do not need to take PV students. Let PV ship these kids to alternative dumps in Hazelton, Pottsville, or the Poconos! Better yet, let PV deal with their own problems !

Joe and Rick are two guys that took a chance and started a company that has met a need. Now that they have made it, everybody is drinking the hater-aide and envy-aide. Put down the juice, get off your ass, and start your own company from scratch and see how far you all get !

If the PV community feels that this is such an issue, send all their students back and let the bills start to increase. For all you tax payers, this means higher taxes. Before looking for a conspiracy, ethics violation, or selfish greed, maybe the PV community should simply say thank you !
BRAVO

Pittston, PA

#10 Apr 3, 2008
Fed Up wrote:
It is time for Joe/Rick to stop accepting these kids from PV. Let the district find another cheaper, better, and closer place for these kids with IEP's, emotional needs, psychiatric needs, and behavioral needs to be educated. BHA/Educare accepts students from 25-30 of the school districts from Monroe, Lehigh, Northampton, Carbon, and Pike counties. They really do not need to take PV students. Let PV ship these kids to alternative dumps in Hazelton, Pottsville, or the Poconos! Better yet, let PV deal with their own problems !
Joe and Rick are two guys that took a chance and started a company that has met a need. Now that they have made it, everybody is drinking the hater-aide and envy-aide. Put down the juice, get off your ass, and start your own company from scratch and see how far you all get !
If the PV community feels that this is such an issue, send all their students back and let the bills start to increase. For all you tax payers, this means higher taxes. Before looking for a conspiracy, ethics violation, or selfish greed, maybe the PV community should simply say thank you !
Could not have said it better myself.
Stinks Like It

East Stroudsburg, PA

#11 Apr 3, 2008
Ethics Smethics. No matter what the State Ethics Commission says, it still stinks. You CANNOT tell me that the presents of Donna Trimmel on the board and Rick Caffrey as an employee has NOTHING to do with the use of Educare and BHA as an alternative school. I'd like to know how much of an increase in enrollment there has been at Educare and BHA since Caffrey started working for the district and Trimmel (although only recently) was elected to the board. I guarantee you proportionately there has been a makred increase. Anyone know these numbers????
Brighten Up

Wyoming, PA

#12 Apr 3, 2008
Stinks Like It wrote:
Ethics Smethics. No matter what the State Ethics Commission says, it still stinks. You CANNOT tell me that the presents of Donna Trimmel on the board and Rick Caffrey as an employee has NOTHING to do with the use of Educare and BHA as an alternative school. I'd like to know how much of an increase in enrollment there has been at Educare and BHA since Caffrey started working for the district and Trimmel (although only recently) was elected to the board. I guarantee you proportionately there has been a makred increase. Anyone know these numbers????
Yea, I know those numbers, but if you want to know them, get off your lazy b utt and start going to the meeting like I and the other concerned people do.
Fed Up

Blairstown, NJ

#13 Apr 3, 2008
Stinks Like It wrote:
Ethics Smethics. No matter what the State Ethics Commission says, it still stinks. You CANNOT tell me that the presents of Donna Trimmel on the board and Rick Caffrey as an employee has NOTHING to do with the use of Educare and BHA as an alternative school. I'd like to know how much of an increase in enrollment there has been at Educare and BHA since Caffrey started working for the district and Trimmel (although only recently) was elected to the board. I guarantee you proportionately there has been a makred increase. Anyone know these numbers????
Stinks Like It wrote:
Ethics Smethics. No matter what the State Ethics Commission says, it still stinks. You CANNOT tell me that the presents of Donna Trimmel on the board and Rick Caffrey as an employee has NOTHING to do with the use of Educare and BHA as an alternative school. I'd like to know how much of an increase in enrollment there has been at Educare and BHA since Caffrey started working for the district and Trimmel (although only recently) was elected to the board. I guarantee you proportionately there has been a makred increase. Anyone know these numbers????
Dear Stinky:

1st - do you realize that PV students account for roughly 10-15% of the total students at BHA/Educare. Take your kids back so Lehighton, Palmerton, Weatherly, Jim Thorpe, Stroudsburg, Pleasant Valley, Pocono Mountain, Stroudsburg, East Stroudsburg, Parkland, Bethlehem, Allentown, Delaware Valley, Nazareth, Northampton, Tamaqua, and Pottsville can send more kids b/c PV students are taking up spaces they would love to have. These school districts do not see any ethical issues with BHA.
2nd - do you realize that without PV students BHA/Educare would still flourish!
3rd - do you realize that Rick's PV salary is well below other supervisor's in the county. In essence, he is doing PV a favor b/c he feels a since of duty to his community. I don't know why with all the shit he is putting up with.
4th - do you know of any other alternative education programs in the area, near the area, within the neighboring counties. Didn't think so. They do not exist! Why do you think Rick left a cushy job with the IU, and Joe left the probation office to start this company ? Because there was such a need !
5th - Let PV take back the kids. Then let PV hire 3-5 new teachers at a salary of $30,000 a piece plus health care that equates to a total salary of about $48,000 to $50,000.
6th - MOST IMPORTANT- how the hell do you have the grammar skills to use the word proportionately, but use the word presents (as in Santa Claus) and not the correct word presence ?????
Brighten Up

Wyoming, PA

#14 Apr 4, 2008
Fed Up wrote:
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<quoted text>
Dear Stinky:
1st - do you realize that PV students account for roughly 10-15% of the total students at BHA/Educare. Take your kids back so Lehighton, Palmerton, Weatherly, Jim Thorpe, Stroudsburg, Pleasant Valley, Pocono Mountain, Stroudsburg, East Stroudsburg, Parkland, Bethlehem, Allentown, Delaware Valley, Nazareth, Northampton, Tamaqua, and Pottsville can send more kids b/c PV students are taking up spaces they would love to have. These school districts do not see any ethical issues with BHA.
2nd - do you realize that without PV students BHA/Educare would still flourish!
3rd - do you realize that Rick's PV salary is well below other supervisor's in the county. In essence, he is doing PV a favor b/c he feels a since of duty to his community. I don't know why with all the shit he is putting up with.
4th - do you know of any other alternative education programs in the area, near the area, within the neighboring counties. Didn't think so. They do not exist! Why do you think Rick left a cushy job with the IU, and Joe left the probation office to start this company ? Because there was such a need !
5th - Let PV take back the kids. Then let PV hire 3-5 new teachers at a salary of $30,000 a piece plus health care that equates to a total salary of about $48,000 to $50,000.
6th - MOST IMPORTANT- how the hell do you have the grammar skills to use the word proportionately, but use the word presents (as in Santa Claus) and not the correct word presence ?????
Well writen, but the reason that users name is "stinks like it", is because everything smells bad to them, since their head is up their butt
unknown

Weatherly, PA

#15 Apr 4, 2008
I would just like to add a comment about this entire situation. I agree with Rick Caffrey that it's because of the "people" moving into this district. Look around people! There is NOTHING here, so all we keep getting are the scum bags that are on the welfare system. Tell me the last time you can remember an increase of population with actual tax payers. It's obvious that people are trying to leave this area because of the influx of welfare abusers. Their children are all special needs and then they wonder why the school might look bad with testing and other statistics. My goodness....you can only do so much with what is given. Thank goodness we have a program like BHA to accept these students because I can't imagine the teachers have an easy job trying to educate this large number of children. At least with BHA and schooling these children have a fighting chance to be better than where they came from. And I agree with whoever said that BHA will still run without PV. That's absolutely correct. It seems like it is expanding to other regions.
Jack Burton

Washington, DC

#16 Apr 4, 2008
First off my post was mainly about Caffrey labeling the kids with special needs. Second, There is an ethics issue as Caffrey runs his own business, he should not be a public employee referring business to himself, plain and simple. This is not about money, quality, or anything else other than, pure ethical conflict.(PERIOD)! Also, There is no conflict with Trimmel on the PVSB as long as she abstains and does not promote anything with her husband's business. You people that say there is no ethical conflict, need to wake up and look at things black and white, not who you are friends with!
Lining the Pockets

Blairstown, NJ

#17 Apr 4, 2008
Fed Up wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Dear Stinky:
1st - do you realize that PV students account for roughly 10-15% of the total students at BHA/Educare. Take your kids back so Lehighton, Palmerton, Weatherly, Jim Thorpe, Stroudsburg, Pleasant Valley, Pocono Mountain, Stroudsburg, East Stroudsburg, Parkland, Bethlehem, Allentown, Delaware Valley, Nazareth, Northampton, Tamaqua, and Pottsville can send more kids b/c PV students are taking up spaces they would love to have. These school districts do not see any ethical issues with BHA.
2nd - do you realize that without PV students BHA/Educare would still flourish!
3rd - do you realize that Rick's PV salary is well below other supervisor's in the county. In essence, he is doing PV a favor b/c he feels a since of duty to his community. I don't know why with all the shit he is putting up with.
4th - do you know of any other alternative education programs in the area, near the area, within the neighboring counties. Didn't think so. They do not exist! Why do you think Rick left a cushy job with the IU, and Joe left the probation office to start this company ? Because there was such a need !
5th - Let PV take back the kids. Then let PV hire 3-5 new teachers at a salary of $30,000 a piece plus health care that equates to a total salary of about $48,000 to $50,000.
6th - MOST IMPORTANT- how the hell do you have the grammar skills to use the word proportionately, but use the word presents (as in Santa Claus) and not the correct word presence ?????
Let's not throw stones regarding speeling and grammar. Your use of the word "supervisor's" is grammatically incorrect. The plural of the word as you use it is WITHOUT the '. A..Hole
Goin broke

Elkton, MD

#18 Apr 4, 2008
The sad part is that alot of these "special needs" children are not. Gone are the days when a kid acts up day after day and the teacher/administration punish the child or take corrective action. Now they just label the child "challenged", make up some stupid disorder, send them off to someone else and wash their hands of the whole problem. In the meantime because people can't control/discipline a child special education in the district is through the roof....along with our taxes!!!
You did it again

Wyoming, PA

#19 Apr 4, 2008
Lining the Pockets wrote:
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Let's not throw stones regarding speeling and grammar. Your use of the word "supervisor's" is grammatically incorrect. The plural of the word as you use it is WITHOUT the '. A..Hole
Hey Spelling Nazi, what in the world is "Speeling" I looked through 4 dictionaries and couldn't find it. Karma is a B I T C H, when you try to pick on somebody who shares some of your own inadequacies. Don't worry Dumbo ears will straighten out this mess. Listen for him on the "Mark in the dark show". He'll have all the answers, he just will not understand which question, they're on
Lining the Pockets

East Stroudsburg, PA

#20 Apr 4, 2008
You did it again wrote:
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Hey Spelling Nazi, what in the world is "Speeling" I looked through 4 dictionaries and couldn't find it. Karma is a B I T C H, when you try to pick on somebody who shares some of your own inadequacies. Don't worry Dumbo ears will straighten out this mess. Listen for him on the "Mark in the dark show". He'll have all the answers, he just will not understand which question, they're on
This just goes to show you the kind of idiots who post on here......people like you more concerned about spelling and grammatical errors thatn the context of the posts themselves. Grow up A-Hole......that "speeling" mistake was intentional to prove my point!!!! That is all you looked for!!! Who cares!!!

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