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Lesbian couple in gay marriage case prepares for Supreme Court decision

There are 1580 comments on the Fox News story from Mar 24, 2013, titled Lesbian couple in gay marriage case prepares for Supreme Court decision. In it, Fox News reports that:

Big change is coming to the lives of the lesbian couple at the center of the fight for same-sex marriage in California no matter how the Supreme Court decides their case.

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“TO HATE SOMEONE SIMPLY FOR WHO”

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#582 Apr 5, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Why would I believe a lie???
Why would it be a lie? I mean just because you don't believe it....doesn't mean it's not true.....just that you opt to ignore the findings!!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#583 Apr 5, 2013
Shit Breath wrote:
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But they WERE scrutinized, dipshit.... and peer-reviewed. We might as well be asking you about brain surgery, you're a clueless troll.
Really?

Show us one with the methods exposed like the Regnerus study was.

Go ahead. Just one.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#584 Apr 5, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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I know one thing......people like you will NEVER believe any study that shows Same-Sex Parents are just as good as opposite-sex parents!!!
Or, as one lesbian study claimed, BETTER than biological parents!

I'm a near senile old man with simple common sense. People like us believe you are full of shit.

Smile.

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#585 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Or, as one lesbian study claimed, BETTER than biological parents!
I'm a near senile old man with simple common sense. People like us believe you are full of shit.
Smile.
Well, ya got the senile old man part right who is full of shiet!!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#586 Apr 5, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Well, ya got the senile old man part right who is full of shiet!!!
Did you read the methodology of the study that claimed lesbians were better parents than biological?

Are you a NorCal Blonde too?

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#588 Apr 5, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Why would I believe a lie???
Prove it's a lie. PROVE that every child raised by gay parents is damaged specifically by their parent's orientation.

Explain the mechanism by which this happens, and how such damage is diagnosed/quantified.

Thanks.

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#589 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Really?
Show us one with the methods exposed like the Regnerus study was.
Go ahead. Just one.
Smirk.
Why bother? It's not that Regneres actually studied gay parents or parenting.

Do you have some peer-reviewed studies that actually compare gay parents to straight parents?

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#590 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Did you read the methodology of the study that claimed lesbians were better parents than biological?
Are you a NorCal Blonde too?
Snicker.
Do you know what methodology means? It means how a person gathered their data for their study.......that's it!!!

Now, the DATA might show that Lesbians make better parents, but that would depend on whether the methodology used was a quantitative survey, which usually will give you a set of statements that one answers using a Likert scale to mark their answers on. Another way to collect data would be to use a qualitative questionnaire.......questions will be given, that one will write out their answers to......together both can be extremely helpful in understanding things like parenting!!!

Obviously, you just got schooled.......so, the one who might be blonde is YOU!!!

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#591 Apr 6, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Prove it's a lie. PROVE that every child raised by gay parents is damaged specifically by their parent's orientation.
Explain the mechanism by which this happens, and how such damage is diagnosed/quantified.
Thanks.
What a dip twit.'every' child? What kind of assertion is that?

Every study of ALL family types clearly distinguishes the advantage of biological families. EXCEPT the claimed studies of lesbian couples. A duplicated half is supposed to be better than any other.

Yeah, that's 'science''approved' by every major 'professional' organization.

This is how it happens; We live in a mass state of denial, political correctness and moral deprivation. You just added gay twirl with bs slipping out a reamed sphincter muscle.

Smile.

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#592 Apr 6, 2013
Quest wrote:
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Why bother? It's not that Regneres actually studied gay parents or parenting.
Do you have some peer-reviewed studies that actually compare gay parents to straight parents?
Why bother.

All those professionally rated studies and you are backing up more than an 40 year old fork lift? You can't come up with ONE, but you want to diss the one that does give it's methodology?

I'll bet you are on a Dorthy 'quest' for courage and a brain.

Snicker.

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#593 Apr 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Did you read the methodology of the study that claimed lesbians were better parents than biological?
Are you a NorCal Blonde too?
Snicker.
NorCal Native wrote:
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Do you know what methodology means? It means how a person gathered their data for their study.......that's it!!!
Now, the DATA might show that Lesbians make better parents, but that would depend on whether the methodology used was a quantitative survey, which usually will give you a set of statements that one answers using a Likert scale to mark their answers on. Another way to collect data would be to use a qualitative questionnaire.......questions will be given, that one will write out their answers to......together both can be extremely helpful in understanding things like parenting!!!
Obviously, you just got schooled.......so, the one who might be blonde is YOU!!!
Interesting.

You prove my question about blondes by ignoring my question about reading the methodology of the one gay study that does publish it's methodology...

Once again, have you read the study? Let me help you, here it is;

STUDY OF LESBIAN 'FAMILIES' with reviews

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...

Alex I. Kartashov, biostatistician
Policy Analysis Inc., Brookline, MA
Dear colleagues,
I have read the article of Nanette Gartrell and Henny Bos "US National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study: Psychological Adjustment of 17-Year-Old Adolescents".
I am surprised with the lack of any attepmt of the authors to address the very important factors in the study.
As it can be easily seen from Table 1, the populations in comparison are very different in race composition, socio-economic status of participants, and region of the country. The population of chidren from the conventional sample (Achenbach Normative CBCL Sample) has many times more minorities and many more children from the South.
It was shown not once that the outcomes of the study are strongly dependent on the above mentioned factors, and exactly in the direction that the study reveals.
Only gender and group (NLLFS vs.Achenbach Normative CBCL Sample) were used as predictors. I can not understand wny the authors did not make proper adjustments for other factors. They do mention it as one of the limitations of the study. It would be very easy to match the study population with the appropriate control population. Other way to treat the problem would be to adjust for the factors of race, region and socio- economic status within the MANOVA analysis (although the sample size becomes critical in this case).
Also, I am surprised that the editorial board and reviewers did not pay attention to such an obvious deficiency of the study.
In my opinion, above mentioned creates a strong doubt in the conclusions of the study.
Respectfully, Alex I. Kartashov, Ph.D.

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#595 Apr 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
You still don't understand what the word "METHODOLOGY" means as it applies to a study or survey........again, all it means is how the data is going to be collected in order to prove or disprove what the study is trying to accomplish!!!

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#596 Apr 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
Seems you might have copied and pasted the wrong part from your source......I think you might have wanted this one:
Methodological issues
Neil E. Whitehead, Research Scientist
Whitehead Associates, Lower Hutt, New Zealand
The article raises an unusual methodological problem for surveys. There is a well known strong tendency for subjects to volunteer for surveys which show them in a good light. In this case there is an enormous political incentive for mothers to volunteer for such a survey and ensure upbringing is exemplary. However the measures presented are tests on the children and the interesting question arising is: is an indirect volunteer effect possible – the attitudes or even instructions of the mothers to the children affecting the test results? I sympathise greatly with the researchers who imply a genuine random survey even today would be very difficult, but no definitive answer can really be possible in its absence.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...

But even this part doesn't truly address what it is you are trying to show!!!
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#597 Apr 6, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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His was peer-reviewed as well, and published in a scientific journal....
Talk about clueless.....
You have no idea what peer-review means, do you?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#598 Apr 6, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Why would I believe a lie???
Because you are gullible and dumb as a rock....

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#599 Apr 6, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Seems you might have copied and pasted the wrong part from your source......I think you might have wanted this one:
Methodological issues
Neil E. Whitehead, Research Scientist
Whitehead Associates, Lower Hutt, New Zealand
The article raises an unusual methodological problem for surveys. There is a well known strong tendency for subjects to volunteer for surveys which show them in a good light. In this case there is an enormous political incentive for mothers to volunteer for such a survey and ensure upbringing is exemplary. However the measures presented are tests on the children and the interesting question arising is: is an indirect volunteer effect possible – the attitudes or even instructions of the mothers to the children affecting the test results? I sympathise greatly with the researchers who imply a genuine random survey even today would be very difficult, but no definitive answer can really be possible in its absence.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content...
But even this part doesn't truly address what it is you are trying to show!!!
Honey, I understand perfectly what survey methodology is. Both my quoted reviewer and yours noted fatal problems with the methodology of the survey. This is a common issue with all the studies used to equate ss families with other types.

The only study to date happens to also have the largest sampling base by far, and the most balanced methodology is the Regnerus study that out of seven family types places lesbian couples LAST, after single parents.

Smile.

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#600 Apr 6, 2013
KiMare wrote:
The only study to date happens to also have the largest sampling base by far, and the most balanced methodology is the Regnerus study that out of seven family types places lesbian couples LAST, after single parents.
Smile.
Actually the study you are claiming to say is the best and balanced is also flawed in it's methodology and Regnerus himself stated so!!!!

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#601 Apr 7, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Actually the study you are claiming to say is the best and balanced is also flawed in it's methodology and Regnerus himself stated so!!!!
Here is where your lack of understanding of methodology is flawed.

The Regnerus study was AWARDED for it scientific methodology! What makes his study so significant is the number of people and the length of time the study surveyed.

What Regnerus said was, every study has to draw boundaries on how it looks at subject matter. They cannot cover every single related issue in one study. GLBT's had a hissy fit because he didn't conduct his study the way they wanted.

The bottom line remains. Previous studies have been clearly shown by normal standards to be flawed, such as the lesbian family study I noted. Regnerus's study remains the latest, largest and most scientific study to date.

It place lesbian couples LAST. AFTER single parents.

Smile.

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#602 Apr 7, 2013
KiMare wrote:
The Regnerus study was AWARDED for it scientific methodology!
There was not then nor now any award for that study......and you can claim all ya want that it had no flaws, but the author of the study HIMSELF disagrees with you and has stated so........and you only accept it because it agrees with your beliefs.......but no matter what you say.......it is a severely flawed study, the conclusion was written 3 weeks before the data was completed.

From an article about the study:
An internal audit by the academic journal that originally published it found the conclusions to be “bullshit” because Regnerus’s criteria was whether a kid’s parent ever had a same-sex relationship, regardless of how long it lasted or what role in played in parenting.

In a new interview with Focus on the Family — a group invested in continuing to cite the study to oppose LGBT equality — Regnerus admits that the foundation of his study is too weak to draw the conclusions that many have made:
REGNERUS: I got taken to task for leaning on young adults’ assessments of their parents’ relationships. I didn’t ask them whether they thought their mom was a lesbian or if their dad was gay. Because, in part, self-identity is a different kind of thing than behavior, and lot of people weren’t “out” in that era. I think we can all think of moms and dads when we were growing up that we either knew or suspected were gay or lesbian, but never “came out of the closet,” so to speak. So, I didn’t want to make the assumption that these young adults would identify their parents as gay or lesbian, so I kept the focus on relationship behavior.

So, stability in the sense of long-term was not common. And frankly, it’s not all that common among heterosexual population. I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad.

So, Regnerus’ study was not about parents who openly identify as gay or lesbian. It was not about same-sex couples in long-term relationships raising children together. Regnerus even admits “this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad,” because he knows has no foundation on which to make such a claim. This was a study about unstable couples, possibly in sham marriages, who may have dabbled in same-sex relationships outside of their original marriage at a time when there was no recognition for same-sex couples anywhere in the country. In others words, the study’s results have zero implication for conversations in 2012 about out, committed same-sex couples who are already raising children.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/30/1110...

From another article:
In the same issue of the journal, three other scholars rendered comments on the NFSS results and Regnerus addressed their comments as well. His study raised a huge outcry of protest, which led, among other things, to the University of Texas conducting a preliminary investigation into the ethics of his study (he was cleared of any malfeasance). Subsequently, in the November issue of SSR, several scholars, including the editor of SSR and an auditor of the review process, rendered their verdicts on the study. Professor Regnerus also provided a revised analysis of the data, attempting to address some of the criticisms of his study.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/was-the-re...

This last article shows issues with why Regnerus Study has issues......again, it's about his methodology.......it needed to be adjusted and not have a specific cherry-picked participate group!!!
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#603 Apr 7, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Here is where your lack of understanding of methodology is flawed.
The Regnerus study was AWARDED for it scientific methodology!
You are such a liar. His methodology is OBVIOUSLY flawed, well.... to anybody that has an ounce of education in research methods. He didn't win ANY awards, except for Quack of the Year. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”

Kind of leaves your opinion in the dirt, doesn't it?

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