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Lesbian couple in gay marriage case prepares for Supreme Court decision

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Big change is coming to the lives of the lesbian couple at the center of the fight for same-sex marriage in California no matter how the Supreme Court decides their case.

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Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#500 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Funny you should mention 'inaccurate representation'.....
Same-sex parenting and children’s outcomes: A closer examination of the American psychological association’s brief on lesbian and gay parenting
Loren Marks,
Louisiana State University, 341 School of Human Ecology, Baton Rouge, LA 70803, United States
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ssresearch.2012.0... , How to Cite or Link Using DOI
Abstract
In 2005, the American Psychological Association (APA) issued an official brief on lesbian and gay parenting. This brief included the assertion:“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents”(p. 15). The present article closely examines this assertion and the 59 published studies cited by the APA to support it. Seven central questions address:
(1) homogeneous sampling,
(2) absence of comparison groups,
(3) comparison group characteristics,
(4) contradictory data,
(5) the limited scope of children’s outcomes studied,
(6) paucity of long-term outcome data, and
(7) lack of APA-urged statistical power. The conclusion is that strong assertions, including those made by the APA, were not empirically warranted. Recommendations for future research are offered.
Highlights
-A 26 of 59 APA studies on same-sex parenting had no heterosexual comparison groups.
-In comparison studies, single mothers were often used as the hetero comparison group.
-No comparison study had the statistical power required to detect a small effect size.
-Definitive claims were not substantiated by the 59 published studies.
Funny what political pressure can do to 'professionals'....
Funny what MONEY can do to professionals. Marks & Regnerus both financed their "studies" with money from NOM.

You dumbass, uneducated fundies are easily swayed by self-serving research.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#501 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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His techniques and results were deemed 'credible'...what don't you get???
Not by anybody that hasn't been bought off by NOM.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#502 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Do you understand the 'statistical validity' in your own 'failed' reports???
Yes, I do, thank you very much, and you don't have the credentials to call them 'failed.'

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#503 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
Do you believe the studies that say having ss parents don't effect children???'Dear'....
Puddin', what I believe is that while nothing can be definitively stated based on the studies and despite their individual and collective flaws, there are no legitimate studies to the contrary. Openly lesbian and gay parenting has been going on for more than a generation now, other than Regnerus' dubious findings, there is NO evidence of having a gay parent or parents causing harm. It all depends on the parents you get, their actual sex really isn't that important. Good parents are good parents and that isn't the least bit dependent on your sexual orientation.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#504 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
His techniques and results were deemed 'credible'...what don't you get???
Whose? Regnerus? The Journal that published and regretted his no longer believes so. His techniques were credible, his assemblage of his control groups, suspect at best. His study is "representational" of absolutely no one who did not take part in it.

Sweetie, everybody knows that this study was nothing more than an academic fraud of a predetermined conclusion in a desperate search for proof. The Witherspoon Institute wanted a study that reflected poorly on same sex parenting and Regnerus was happy to oblige them with a big one. Too bad when people really got to reading it and started snickering instead of falling back agog, it kinda really backfired.

And Marks, his review of the other studies, wasn't a coincidence.

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#505 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Funny what MONEY can do to professionals. Marks & Regnerus both financed their "studies" with money from NOM.
You dumbass, uneducated fundies are easily swayed by self-serving research.
Maybe this will help (though I doubt it) you finally acknowledge that all your 'excuses' for not accepting this study as credible is because you simply do not want to....

University Of Texas Will No Longer Investigate Mark Regnerus's Gay Parent Study

Mark Regnerus, an associate professor at the University of Texas at Austin, found fame earlier this summer by publishing a study on what he called "new family structures."

In that study, Regnerus claimed children raised by same-sex couples were more depressed, more likely to cheat on a partner and smoked more pot than kids raised in a so-called "traditional household".

According to most people with level heads and an understanding of scientific process, Regnerus' work amouned to little more than junk science, and garnered Regnerus scores of criticism and the launch of an official investigation by the university into his methodology. Now the university is calling the whole thing off, saying there is not enough evidence of bias or misdirection to require further inquiry.

From the school's official announcement:

After consulting with a four-member advisory panel composed of senior university faculty members, the Office of the Vice President for Research concluded in a report on Aug. 24 that there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation.
...
As part of the inquiry, the university hired Dr. Alan Price to ensure that the inquiry was conducted appropriately and fairly.

Price, a private consultant, is former associate director of the Office of Research Integrity in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

-----Price found that the inquiry was handled in a manner consistent with university policy and indicated the process was “also consistent with federal regulatory requirements of inquiries into research misconduct.”------
...
As with much university research, Regnerus’ New Family Structures Study touches on a controversial and highly personal issue that is currently being debated by society at large. The university expects the scholarly community will continue to evaluate and report on the findings of the Regnerus article and supports such discussion.

These people had no dog in the fight...the were there strictly to investigate the research methodology and the results they captures....'THEY' concluded his technique/research was conducted were credible...they found NO evidence of ANY wrongdoing...you all can't accept that those studies you tote are lies and are finally being exposed as such...

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#506 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Do you believe the studies that say having ss parents don't effect children???'Dear'....
Actually, regardless of what the studies say......kids raised by Same-Sex parents turn out just fine.......nothing is a hundred percent guaranteed, not even from heterosexual parents.....and the only folks who truly want studies to find some reason to prevent Same-Sex couples from marrying and being parents are idiots like you who can't handle the fact that Same-Sex Parents are just as good as Heterosexual Parents!!!

Bigotry and Hate is all you want to justify for your feelings towards Gays and Lesbians......sorry, it is truly an irrelevant issue until you become outrage over the fact that there is nothing that prevents registered sex offenders from raising children or having children!!!

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#507 Apr 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Whose? Regnerus? The Journal that published and regretted his no longer believes so. His techniques were credible, his assemblage of his control groups, suspect at best. His study is "representational" of absolutely no one who did not take part in it.
Sweetie, everybody knows that this study was nothing more than an academic fraud of a predetermined conclusion in a desperate search for proof. The Witherspoon Institute wanted a study that reflected poorly on same sex parenting and Regnerus was happy to oblige them with a big one. Too bad when people really got to reading it and started snickering instead of falling back agog, it kinda really backfired.
And Marks, his review of the other studies, wasn't a coincidence.
No, "everybody" does not know that...however....everybody knows that he has been found 'credible' in this investigation you all screamed for....

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#508 Apr 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Actually, regardless of what the studies say......kids raised by Same-Sex parents turn out just fine
Regardless of what the studies say??? So why have studies if they don't mean anything???
.......nothing is a hundred percent guaranteed, not even from heterosexual parents.....and the only folks who truly want studies to find some reason to prevent Same-Sex couples from marrying and being parents are idiots like you who can't handle the fact that Same-Sex Parents are just as good as Heterosexual Parents!!!
The research says different....children have more emotional problems being brought up in a ss household...
No one is saying everything is 100%, but the exceptions do not make the rule...
Bigotry and Hate is all you want to justify for your feelings towards Gays and Lesbians......sorry, it is truly an irrelevant issue until you become outrage over the fact that there is nothing that prevents registered sex offenders from raising children or having children!!!
I do not 'hate' anyone...I object to two heterosexual same-sexed marriages as well....

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#509 Apr 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Puddin', what I believe is that while nothing can be definitively stated based on the studies and despite their individual and collective flaws, there are no legitimate studies to the contrary. Openly lesbian and gay parenting has been going on for more than a generation now, other than Regnerus' dubious findings, there is NO evidence of having a gay parent or parents causing harm. It all depends on the parents you get, their actual sex really isn't that important. Good parents are good parents and that isn't the least bit dependent on your sexual orientation.
Actually, you are wrong...

David Popenoe, Life Without Father: Compelling New Evidence that Fatherhood and Marriage Are Indispensable for the Good of Children and Society (New York: The Free Press, 1996)

Reviewed by Matthew Sulzle

June 2009

David Popenoe’s book Life Without Father: Compelling New Evidence That Fatherhood and Marriage Are Indispensable for the Good of Children and Society examines the dramatic decline in the status of fathers and fatherhood in American culture in recent decades, and his conclusion is remarkable. In response to the arguments of certain lobbyists, politicians, and his colleagues in sociology who wish to convince the world that women and children no longer need men, this National Marriage Project (Rutgers University) researcher boldly states his thesis:“The aim of this book is to try to convince you that this no-father argument is fundamentally wrong. If we continue down the path of fatherlessness, we are headed for social disaster" (8).

The aim of this book is to try to convince you that this no-father argument is fundamentally wrong.

-----If we continue down the path of fatherlessness, we are headed for social disaster.------

The book is organized into four parts.
Part One presents Popenoe’s diagnosis of the state of fatherlessness in our nation today.

Part Two places this diagnosis into context by giving a history of fatherhood and family life in recent times.

In Part Three, Popenoe makes his case that “fathers matter,” and that fatherhood is a virtue upon which the well-being of children and our very social fabric depend.

Finally, in Part Four, he gives his recommendations as to what our nation should do to “reclaim fatherhood and marriage.”

This has been since the beginning of time my friend....

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#510 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Regardless of what the studies say??? So why have studies if they don't mean anything???
<quoted text>
The research says different....children have more emotional problems being brought up in a ss household...
No one is saying everything is 100%, but the exceptions do not make the rule...
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I do not 'hate' anyone...I object to two heterosexual same-sexed marriages as well....
Because people like you WANT them to try and justify your opinions!!!

No, biased research studies show that, but if studies where to be truthful......they'd find no difference!!!

Please, keep trying to convince yourself of that......we who have read your posts and seen your lil judging icons know differently!!!

Again, it's truly NONE of your business who marries who......I'm sure though you wouldn't object to a Gay Man marrying a Lesbian though, would ya?

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#511 Apr 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Because people like you WANT them to try and justify your opinions!!!
No, biased research studies show that, but if studies where to be truthful......they'd find no difference!!!
Please, keep trying to convince yourself of that......we who have read your posts and seen your lil judging icons know differently!!!
Again, it's truly NONE of your business who marries who......I'm sure though you wouldn't object to a Gay Man marrying a Lesbian though, would ya?
Are you saying that ss marriage supporter have never tried to use studies to back their views on ss parenting???? Please don't tell that lie....

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#512 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
<quoted text>David Popenoe, Life Without Father: Compelling New Evidence that Fatherhood and Marriage Are Indispensable for the Good of Children and Society (New York: The Free Press, 1996)
Spamming the threads with a copy and paste job and no link.....for shame!!!

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#513 Apr 4, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Whose? Regnerus? The Journal that published and regretted his no longer believes so. His techniques were credible, his assemblage of his control groups, suspect at best. His study is "representational" of absolutely no one who did not take part in it.
And Marks, his review of the other studies, wasn't a coincidence.
Other 'studies'

Research Indicates Children Do Best When Raised By Married Mom & Dad
Quotes from leading scholarly summaries of this research:

•“An extensive body of research tells us that children do best when they grow up with both biological parents.… Thus, it is not simply the presence of two parents, as some have assumed, but the presence of two biological parents that seems to support child development.”(Kristin Anderson Moore, et al.,“Marriage From a Child’s Perspective: How Does Family Structure Affect Children, and What Can We Do about It?” Child Trends Research Brief (June 2002): 1.)

•“Most researchers now agree that together these studies support the notion that, on average, children do best when raised by their two married, biological parents.”(Mary Parke,“Are Married Parents Really Better for Children?” Center for Law and Social Policy, Policy Brief (May 2003): 1)

•“Overall, father love appears to be as heavily implicated as mother love in offsprings’ psychological well-being and health.”(Ronald P. Rohner and Robert A. Veneziano,“The Importance of Father Love: History and Contemporary Evidence,” Review of General Psychology 5.4 (2001): 382-405)

• Health scores are 20 to 35 percent higher for children living with both biological parents, compared with those living in single or stepfamilies.(Deborah A. Dawson,“Family Structure and Children’s Health and Well-being: Data from the National Health Interview Survey on Child Health,” Journal of Marriage and the Family, 53 (1991): 573 -584)

•“When young boys have primary caretakers of both sexes, they are less likely as adults to engage in woman-devaluing activities and in self-aggrandizing, cruel or overly competitive male cults.”(Mary Stewart Van Leeuwen, My Brother’s Keeper: What the Social Sciences Do (and Don’t) Tell Us About Masculinity,(Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2002), p. 121)

•“We should disavow the notion that ‘mommies can make good daddies,’ just as we should disavow the popular notion of radical feminists that ‘daddies can make good mommies.’…The two sexes are different to the core, and each is necessary – culturally and biologically – for the optimal development of a human being.”(David Popenoe, Life Without Father: Compelling New Evidence That Fatherhood and Marriage are Indispensable of the Good of Children and Society,(New York: The Free Press, 1996), p. 197)

Sara McLanahan of Princeton University, one of the world’s leading scholars on how family form impacts child well-being, explains from her extensive investigations:

•“If we were asked to design a system for making sure that children’s basic needs were met, we would probably come up with something quite similar to the two-parent family ideal. Such a design, in theory, would not only ensure that children had access to the time and money of two adults, it would provide a system of checks and balances that promote quality parenting. The fact that both adults have a biological connection to the child would increase the likelihood that the parents would identify with the child and be willing to sacrifice for that child and it would reduce the likelihood that either parent would abuse the child.”(Sara McLanahan and Gary Sandefur, Growing Up with a Single Parent: What Hurts, What Helps,(Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1994), p. 38)

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#514 Apr 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Spamming the threads with a copy and paste job and no link.....for shame!!!
You can look it up for yourself...it's not that difficult...that is, if you really wanted to know...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

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MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#515 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Are you saying that ss marriage supporter have never tried to use studies to back their views on ss parenting???? Please don't tell that lie....
Did I say that? I said it is folks like yourself who are more interested in having the studies done to try and justify your position!!!

Our side hasn't gone out and paid to have a study done that was clearly intended to show something that it can't because it isn't comparing apples to apples!!!
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#516 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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Maybe this will help (though I doubt it) you finally acknowledge that all your 'excuses' for not accepting this study as credible is because you simply do not want to....
University Of Texas Will No Longer Investigate Mark Regnerus's Gay Parent Study
Mark Regnerus, an associate professor at the University of Texas at Austin, found fame earlier this summer by publishing a study on what he called "new family structures."
In that study, Regnerus claimed children raised by same-sex couples were more depressed, more likely to cheat on a partner and smoked more pot than kids raised in a so-called "traditional household".
According to most people with level heads and an understanding of scientific process, Regnerus' work amouned to little more than junk science, and garnered Regnerus scores of criticism and the launch of an official investigation by the university into his methodology. Now the university is calling the whole thing off, saying there is not enough evidence of bias or misdirection to require further inquiry.
From the school's official announcement:
After consulting with a four-member advisory panel composed of senior university faculty members, the Office of the Vice President for Research concluded in a report on Aug. 24 that there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation.
...
As part of the inquiry, the university hired Dr. Alan Price to ensure that the inquiry was conducted appropriately and fairly.
Price, a private consultant, is former associate director of the Office of Research Integrity in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
-----Price found that the inquiry was handled in a manner consistent with university policy and indicated the process was “also consistent with federal regulatory requirements of inquiries into research misconduct.”------
...
As with much university research, Regnerus’ New Family Structures Study touches on a controversial and highly personal issue that is currently being debated by society at large. The university expects the scholarly community will continue to evaluate and report on the findings of the Regnerus article and supports such discussion.
These people had no dog in the fight...the were there strictly to investigate the research methodology and the results they captures....'THEY' concluded his technique/research was conducted were credible...they found NO evidence of ANY wrongdoing...you all can't accept that those studies you tote are lies and are finally being exposed as such...
Thanks, but I'll put faith in my education and the ASA, not some neocon paid consultant.

I bet you didn't even notice one BIG FAT glaring point: there was insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation. " After consulting with a four-member advisory panel composed of senior university faculty members, the Office of the Vice President for Research concluded in a report on Aug. 24 that there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation."

So, NOBODY found his work or methodology credible because there was no investigation.

How did you miss that????? Reading comprehension problems?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#517 Apr 4, 2013
Get That Fool wrote:
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You can look it up for yourself...it's not that difficult...that is, if you really wanted to know...
Usually the person posting the information is the one who needs to post the link.....not have others do it......frankly, I make sure a link is posted if I post something I feel is important!!!

“You Get My Truth Here!”

Since: May 09

Nonya!

#518 Apr 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Thanks, but I'll put faith in my education and the ASA, not some neocon paid consultant.
A 'paid consultant' that had no dog in the fight...who sole job it was was to look out for both sides of the panel and determined that the university followed the guidelnes to determine if Prof Regenus misapplied, abused or in any way defrauded the methods and results of his study....the panel found he did not....
I bet you didn't even notice one BIG FAT glaring point: there was insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation. " After consulting with a four-member advisory panel composed of senior university faculty members, the Office of the Vice President for Research concluded in a report on Aug. 24 that there is insufficient evidence to warrant an investigation."
I noticed that long before you did....and what is your point??? Are you saying the university covered up for him???? Are you really that s-tupid????'Insufficient evidence' means they couldn't find any 'evidence' of ANYTHING you all accused him of...learn english...
So, NOBODY found his work or methodology credible because there was no investigation.
How did you miss that????? Reading comprehension problems?
What exactly do you think was scrutinzed by the panel??? His choice of wardrobe??? Are you really that silly??? The panel looked at his study, his methods and his conclusions and found no reason to investigate his study as a fraudulent study...face it...YOU LOSE!

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Since: May 09

Nonya!

#519 Apr 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Usually the person posting the information is the one who needs to post the link.....not have others do it......frankly, I make sure a link is posted if I post something I feel is important!!!
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