Our View: Erie kids need alternatives to gangs

Mar 24, 2013 Full story: Erie Times News 37

Erie police detectives, vice officers, Chief Steve Franklin, U.S. marshals and Erie County Prison officials deserve credit for working together to help crack the Stick Up Kidz gang in Erie.

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TaxNoMore

Los Angeles, CA

#21 Mar 27, 2013
We are self destructing wrote:
<quoted text>WHAT! 8 cops per square mile! You really are clueless! Try 10 to cover the whole city and 12 on the weekends!
What is your job clueless? Won't answer will you? I'm still wondering what you got arrested for? I'm guessing you have to register every time you move!
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Try 10 to cover the whole city and 12 on the weekends!

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What?, the rest of them have their birthdays off?

or maybe they're on workers' compensation, with a hang nail.

Lazy azz union thugs
TaxNoMore

Los Angeles, CA

#22 Mar 27, 2013
We are self destructing wrote:
<quoted text>WHAT! 8 cops per square mile! You really are clueless! Try 10 to cover the whole city and 12 on the weekends!
What is your job clueless? Won't answer will you? I'm still wondering what you got arrested for? I'm guessing you have to register every time you move!
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173 lazy cops can't control about 10 square miles of juvenile delinquency

brand new cars,

brand new pay raises,

173 lazy azz cops can't get out of those nice warm patrol cars and walk a beat on the east side.

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If I were mayor you lazy azz cops would be dropped off on a corner and walk a beat all damn day.
Lib to the hell yeah

Winter Park, FL

#23 Mar 27, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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Children should be mindful out of fear. If there is not fear of punishment then there will be no order or structure
My kids are older so I'm not in the game anymore. And I get what you're saying. But for me kids should fear becoming a lying POS more than some punishment their parents will lay down on them for something.

You can avoid a lot of punishment by simply becoming a good liar. And I'd rather forgo just punishment if they were at least honest about it.(Not always but being honest not fearful was the main goal.)

And while you may have the perfect balance of instilling fear, others as with spanking, use discipline of their kids as a sad excuse for merely striking out due to their anger, not so kids will learn some lesson...other than the biggest bully wins.
TaxNoMore

Los Angeles, CA

#24 Mar 27, 2013
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"We are self destructing"

sez

Just what should cops get paid?

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The Millionaire Cop Next Door

posted by RICH KARLGAARD

It is said that government workers now make, on average, 30% more than private sector workers.

Put that fantasy aside.

It far underestimates the real figures.

By my calculations, government workers make more than twice as much.

Government workers are America’s fastest-growing millionaires.

Doubt it?

Then ask yourself:
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What is the net present value of an $80,000 annual pension payout

with additional full health benefits?

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Working backward, the total NPV would depend on expected returns of a basket of safe investments–blue chip stocks, dividends and U.S. Treasury bonds.

Investment pros like my friend Barry Glassman say 4% is a reasonable return today.

That’s a pitiful yield, isn’t it?

It is sure to disappoint the scores of millions of baby boomers who will soon enter retirement with nothing more than their desiccated 401(k) s, down 30% on average from 30 months ago, and a bit of Social Security.

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Based on this small but unfortunately realistic 4% return,

an $80,000 annual pension payout implies a rather large pot of money behind it–$2 million,

to be precise.
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That’s a lot.

One might guess that a $2 million stash would be in the 95th percentile for the 77 million baby boomers who will soon face retirement.

That $2 million also happens to be the implied booty of your average California policeman who retires at age 55.

Typical cities in California have a police officer’s retirement plan that works as follows: 3% at 50.

As the North County Times of Carlsbad, Calif., explains:

Carlsbad offers its police and firefighters a “3-percent-at-50&#8243; retirement plan, meaning that emergency services workers who retire at age 50 can get 3 percent of their highest salary times the number of years they have worked for the city.

City officials have said that in Carlsbad, the average firefighter or police officer typically retires at age 55 and has 28 years of service.

Using the 3 percent salary calculation, that person would receive an annual city pension of $76,440.

That does not include health benefits, which might push real retirement compensation close to $100,000 a year.

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Who are America’s fastest-growing class of millionaires?

They are

*police officers,

*firefighters,

*teachers

*federal bureaucrats

who, unless things change drastically, will be paid something near their full salaries every year–until death–after retiring in their mid-50s.
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That is equivalent to a retirement sum worth millions of dollars.

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If you further ask the question:

How much salary would it take to live, save a build a $2 million stash over a 30-year career, the answer would be:

somewhere close to $75,000 more than the nominal salary, if you include all the tax bites associated with earning, saving and investing money.
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In other words, if a police officer, firefighter, teacher or federal bureaucrat is making $75,000 a year, she is effectively making twice that amount.

Implied in her annual pension payout is that she diligently saved half of her annual salary–after taxes–in order to save, invest and build–again, after taxes–the $2 million pot.

So when you hear that government workers now make, on average, 30% more than private sector workers, you are not getting the full story.
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Government workers make more than twice as much as private sector workers,

on average, when you include the net present value of their pensions.

http://blogs.forbes.com/digitalrules/2010/06/ ...

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Lazy azz union thugs
Lib to the hell yeah

Winter Park, FL

#25 Mar 27, 2013
TaxNoMore belongs to a gang. It's called "The Nerds". They terrorize people on the internet with long posts that come across in a high pitched, nasally voice when you read them.
We are self destructing

Pittsburgh, PA

#26 Mar 28, 2013
Lib to the hell yeah wrote:
TaxNoMore belongs to a gang. It's called "The Nerds". They terrorize people on the internet with long posts that come across in a high pitched, nasally voice when you read them.
Wow Lib! We finally agree on something!
BuckshotJones

Townville, PA

#27 Mar 28, 2013
Lib - You are a prime example of a parent who raises spoiled arrogant children. Let me guess : Your kids aren't undisciplined they are "free spirits" aka obnoxious pains in the rear.
Pete

Oil City, PA

#28 Mar 28, 2013
We are self destructing wrote:
And responsible parents!
Yeh, that's the number one thing they need. 30 years ago kids didn't need alternatives to gangs in Erie. Why is that? Because their parents knew where they could find them. Studying, playing ball, etc.

BTW. The Stick up Kidz are not kids.
colonist

Erie, PA

#29 Mar 28, 2013
Pete wrote:
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BTW. The Stick up Kidz are not kids.
No, but if they were they would look like Obama.
your kid

Erie, PA

#30 Mar 29, 2013
mind your own wrote:
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Children should be mindful out of fear. If there is not fear of punishment then there will be no order or structure
One of these days I'm going to open the gun safe when you're not home and shoot up the neighborhood. I'm not afraid of you. You taught me that guns are the equalizer.
A parent

Erie, PA

#31 Mar 29, 2013
your kid wrote:
<quoted text>One of these days I'm going to open the gun safe when you're not home and shoot up the neighborhood. I'm not afraid of you. You taught me that guns are the equalizer.
Really moron, grow up. If you were brought up by a decent set of parents instead of a crack addicted mother, you might have a respect for guns.
adam lanzas mom

Erie, PA

#32 Mar 30, 2013
A parent wrote:
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Really moron, grow up. If you were brought up by a decent set of parents instead of a crack addicted mother, you might have a respect for guns.
I believed that right up till the day my kid shot me in the face with my own gun.
A parent

Erie, PA

#33 Mar 30, 2013
adam lanzas mom wrote:
<quoted text>I believed that right up till the day my kid shot me in the face with my own gun.
I don't believe your kid shot you at all. You were murdered by those that wanted to cause another national crisis. Your kid was a dupe used to attack the 2nd Amendment of the United States of America.
your kid

Erie, PA

#34 Mar 30, 2013
A parent wrote:
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I don't believe your kid shot you at all. You were murdered by those that wanted to cause another national crisis. Your kid was a dupe used to attack the 2nd Amendment of the United States of America.
This is the shit we hear while being home-schooled and you wonder why we are maladjusted.
A Parent

Erie, PA

#35 Mar 31, 2013
your kid wrote:
<quoted text>This is the shit we hear while being home-schooled and you wonder why we are maladjusted.
More bullsh!t from a bubba. You need home schooling, punk. There is a reason the home schoolers out perform you public school flunkies.
mind your own

Waterford, PA

#36 Mar 31, 2013
your kid wrote:
<quoted text>One of these days I'm going to open the gun safe when you're not home and shoot up the neighborhood. I'm not afraid of you. You taught me that guns are the equalizer.
if you were my kid you would know that you dont need to get into my guns because my kids have their own. they shoot up the neighborhood on a daily basis with their .22's , yes even the youngest. only thing is their neighborhood is 55 acres with a large creek running through it .
cheetos

United States

#37 Mar 31, 2013
your kid wrote:
<quoted text>One of these days I'm going to open the gun safe when you're not home and shoot up the neighborhood. I'm not afraid of you. You taught me that guns are the equalizer.
The responsibility coincides with discipline. For instance my kids never ate candy because we always kept a bowl of some type on the table. They knew from a young age that you can’t grab and chow down . When some of their friends would stay we would have to put it away simply because they had no control and would make themselves sick. The temptation had to be removed.

Same as being conditioned with guns and other weapons as growing up. If you are raised and have respect for them with a time and place they do not become a problem. The problem lies with those that are curious and those that are uneducated.

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